Hello, All!

I can see the Telegram gateway has been activated for this echomail which makes me wonder how much Telegram is know outside of Russia in general.

Best Regards, Nil
--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5
* Origin: -=NIL BBS=- (2:5015/46)

Answering a msg from Nil Alexandrov:

Hello, All!

I can see the Telegram gateway has been activated for this echomail which makes me wonder how much Telegram is know outside of Russia in general.

Best Regards, Nil

Hi Nil,

I only learned about Telegram itself by seeing discussions about this gateway. I myself am more familiar with a program called GroupMe, which I only learned of because it was used by players in mmorpg games I used to play.


--- tg2fido.pl
* Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)

Hello Nil!

** On Sunday 13.09.20 - 04:06, Nil Alexandrov wrote to All:

I can see the Telegram gateway has been activated for
this echomail which makes me wonder how much Telegram is
know outside of Russia in general.

Maybe this is just the beginning.

It is a very nice app to use. The word about it just has to
get around some more. Stas' gate project has brought to the
fore some cool usefulness and purpose for using the app.

A few other echos have been added to the gate:

DOOM
DOORGAMES
DOS
ESSNASA
FIDO_UTIL
MOVIES
TAGLINES
TUXPOWER
FUTURE4FIDO
FIDO-REQ

NOTE to ALL: If anyone is interested in trying them out on
your smartphones, just contact either @aabolins or
@cepiersonjr, and we can add you.



--
../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.46
* Origin: (2:221/1.58)

Hello, August!

Saturday September 12 2020 22:08, from August Abolins -> Nil Alexandrov:

It is a very nice app to use. The word about it just has to
get around some more. Stas' gate project has brought to the
fore some cool usefulness and purpose for using the app.

I actually don't know many non-Russian fido echoareas to chat.
I'm not into cooking or politics haha.

Best Regards, Nil
--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5
* Origin: -=NIL BBS=- (2:5015/46)

Hello, Nil Alexandrov.
On 9/13/20 5:50 AM you wrote:

I actually don't know many non-Russian fido echoareas to chat. I'm
not into cooking or politics haha.

It's interesting to look around for them.

--
Best regards!
Posted using Hotdoged on Android
--- Hotdoged/2.13.5/Android
* Origin: The Oasis, Houston, Texas, USA (2:240/1120.976)

Hello Nil!

** On Sunday 13.09.20 - 05:50, Nil Alexandrov wrote to August Abolins:

I actually don't know many non-Russian fido echoareas to
chat. I'm not into cooking or politics haha.

THIS echo is a good place to just hang out and talk about just
about anything that isn't covered in another echo.

Welcome amongst the english-speaking.


--
../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.46
* Origin: (2:221/1.58)

Hi, Nil!

13 ᥭ 20 04:06, Nil Alexandrov -> All:

I can see the Telegram gateway has been activated for this echomail
which makes me wonder how much Telegram is know outside of Russia in general.

Surprise? ;)

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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Hi, Charles!

12 ᥭ 20 22:11, Charles Pierson -> Nil Alexandrov:

I actually don't know many non-Russian fido echoareas to chat. I'm
not into cooking or politics haha.

It's interesting to look around for them.

I can gate them too, but don't make me read them. ;)

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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Answering a msg from Stas Mishchenkov:

Hi, Charles!

12 ᥭ 20 22:11, Charles Pierson -> Nil Alexandrov:

I actually don't know many non-Russian fido echoareas to chat. I'm
not into cooking or politics haha.

It's interesting to look around for them.

I can gate them too, but don't make me read them. ;)

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

Looking at the ELIST, there are several, but I have to look elsewhere for activity on them.
I would guess ideally, you would want a fair amount of traffic on the Fido side, and obviously interested parties on the Telegram side, or Fido users willing to use Telegram as a backup access.


--- tg2fido.pl
* Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)

Hello, Stas!

Sunday September 13 2020 22:21, from Stas Mishchenkov -> Charles Pierson:

I actually don't know many non-Russian fido echoareas to chat.
I'm not into cooking or politics haha.

It's interesting to look around for them.

I can gate them too, but don't make me read them. ;)

As we saw the chart before, the most popular messenger is the Facebook. Why not make a gateway for FB then? ;)

Best Regards, Nil
--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5
* Origin: -=NIL BBS=- (2:5015/46)

Hello, Charles!

Sunday September 13 2020 22:29, from Charles Pierson -> Stas Mishchenkov:

Looking at the ELIST, there are several, but I have to look elsewhere
for activity on them. I would guess ideally, you would want a fair
amount of traffic on the Fido side, and obviously interested parties
on the Telegram side, or Fido users willing to use Telegram as a
backup access.

Just let me understand the whole Fido to Telegram recent trend concept in general.
Is it all about bringing in a mix a modern and convenient app for iOS/Android in lieu of native modern and convenient Fido app? ;-)

Best Regards, Nil
--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5
* Origin: -=NIL BBS=- (2:5015/46)

Answering a msg from Nil Alexandrov:

Hello, Charles!

Sunday September 13 2020 22:29, from Charles Pierson -> Stas Mishchenkov:

Looking at the ELIST, there are several, but I have to look elsewhere
for activity on them. I would guess ideally, you would want a fair
amount of traffic on the Fido side, and obviously interested parties
on the Telegram side, or Fido users willing to use Telegram as a
backup access.

Just let me understand the whole Fido to Telegram recent trend concept in general.
Is it all about bringing in a mix a modern and convenient app for iOS/Android in lieu of native modern and convenient Fido app? ;-)

Best Regards, Nil

I would think it's for mobility access. Fido on the move, you can keep up with some echoes while away from your computer.

I have the only 2 point system s I can find in the Google play store, and both have limitations, and little to no support.

This potentially could also give a way to introduce people to Fido who aren't familiar with it by using a chat app, which most people are familiar with, to access Fido echoes.


--- tg2fido.pl
* Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)

Answering a msg from Nil Alexandrov:

Hello, Stas!

Sunday September 13 2020 22:21, from Stas Mishchenkov -> Charles Pierson:

I actually don't know many non-Russian fido echoareas to chat.
I'm not into cooking or politics haha.

It's interesting to look around for them.

I can gate them too, but don't make me read them. ;)

As we saw the chart before, the most popular messenger is the Facebook. Why not make a gateway for FB then? ;)

Best Regards, Nil

One, Facebook isn't open source. 2 they get shitty with their what's allowed and whats not. 3 do you really want Facebook involved in Fido?


--- tg2fido.pl
* Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)

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Hi, Nil!

13 ᥭ 20 23:00, Nil Alexandrov -> Stas Mishchenkov:

As we saw the chart before, the most popular messenger is the
Facebook.
Why not make a gateway for FB then? ;)

By the fact that it makes me sick (and maybe even snatch) from social networks. ;)
However, if there is someone with a tighter stomach, why not? This raises a completely different question. Do we need an public from there?

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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Hi, Nil!

13 ᥭ 20 23:05, Nil Alexandrov -> Charles Pierson:

Just let me understand the whole Fido to Telegram recent trend concept
in general. Is it all about bringing in a mix a modern and convenient
app for iOS/Android in lieu of native modern and convenient Fido app?
;-)

Not. This is rather another type of BBS. It is convenient that, on the one hand, the sysop shifts most of the work to third-party resources without spending his own (including taking care of the user's preferences). On the other hand, users get the opportunity to access such a BBS by mobile (wearable) devices, that they already have.
This kind of BBS successfully lowers the network entry threshold. Exactly enough so that a muddy wave of pioneers and older morons would not rush here.

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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Hi, Charles!

13 ᥭ 20 23:30, Charles Pierson -> Nil Alexandrov:

I would think it's for mobility access. Fido on the move, you can
keep up with some echoes while away from your computer.

Yes. This is also convenient.

I have the only 2 point system s I can find in the Google play store,
and both have limitations, and little to no support.

What do you know about HOTDOGED echo conference?

This potentially could also give a way to introduce people to Fido who aren't familiar with it by using a chat app, which most people are familiar with, to access Fido echoes.

I think sometimes it can work too.

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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Answering a msg from Stas Mishchenkov:

Hi, Charles!

13 ᥭ 20 23:30, Charles Pierson -> Nil Alexandrov:

I would think it's for mobility access. Fido on the move, you can
keep up with some echoes while away from your computer.

Yes. This is also convenient.

I have the only 2 point system s I can find in the Google play store,
and both have limitations, and little to no support.

What do you know about HOTDOGED echo conference?

This potentially could also give a way to introduce people to Fido who aren't familiar with it by using a chat app, which most people are familiar with, to access Fido echoes.

I think sometimes it can work too.

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

I am subscribed to the HotdogEd echo, but not a lot of answers to my questions in the past.


--- tg2fido.pl
* Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)

Hi, Charles!

14 ᥭ 20 00:26, Charles Pierson -> Stas Mishchenkov:

I am subscribed to the HotdogEd echo, but not a lot of answers to my questions in the past.

The author often appears in the Russian-language echo of PUSHKINLOCAL. There is also RU.HOTDOGED, where English is not prohibited and many subscribers understand it. I just wanted to say that this program is slowly developing and the author is available. However, I did not like it and I did not use it.

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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Answering a msg from Stas Mishchenkov:

Hi, Charles!

14 ᥭ 20 00:26, Charles Pierson -> Stas Mishchenkov:

I am subscribed to the HotdogEd echo, but not a lot of answers to my questions in the past.

The author often appears in the Russian-language echo of PUSHKINLOCAL. There is also RU.HOTDOGED, where English is not prohibited and many subscribers understand it. I just wanted to say that this program is slowly developing and the author is available. However, I did not like it and I did not use it.

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

I don't see much activity at all in the HotdogEd echo. I might try to add the RU one. I've emailed error logs to him. Once a year or so ago. At the time he replied he was too busy to work on my issue. Recently no answer at all.
I like the program because it allows multiple point connections. However it seems hard coded to not allow multi digit zones. When I try my node for FSXNet for example the handshake trust to connect with 1:4/100 instead of 21:4/100. It does the same with JustaXNet, which has a 3 digit zone.
Aftershock works with both, but only has one connection at a time, which would require me changing my settings manually for each Network connection.

Ideally, I would love to look at open source point or bbs software to modify for an Android to handle all of the connections, and have the features that aren't available to Android otherwise. But my coding skills aren't there.


--- tg2fido.pl
* Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)

Hello Stas!

** On Sunday 13.09.20 - 23:51, Stas Mishchenkov wrote to Nil Alexandrov:

Why not make a gateway for FB then? ;)

..This raises a completely different question. Do we need
an public from there?

I can't imagine the ilk that make up the majority of FB to
suddenly embrace Fidonet. But maybe the expatriated BBSers
who have "discovered" other social media might like to know
that some access to echomail is now pretty easy via Telegram.

--
../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.46
* Origin: (2:221/1.58)

Hello Charles!

** On Sunday 13.09.20 - 23:30, Charles Pierson wrote to Nil Alexandrov:

Answering a msg from Nil Alexandrov:

Just let me understand the whole Fido to Telegram recent
trend concept in general. Is it all about bringing in a
mix a modern and convenient app for iOS/Android in lieu
of native modern and convenient Fido app? ;-)

I would think it's for mobility access. Fido on the
move, you can keep up with some echoes while away from
your computer.

And I would add trasportability across devices. Your messages
are synced across your laptop, desktop, and portable devices.

I have the only 2 point system s I can find in the Google
play store, and both have limitations, and little to no
support.

I thought at least one of them was picking up speed again.
But in either of those apps, your messages are not synced if
you choose to install another instance of the app on another
device.

This potentially could also give a way to introduce
people to Fido who aren't familiar with it by using a
chat app, which most people are familiar with, to access
Fido echoes.

And, the user may even learn about the original nature of
BBSing, other offline readers, etc.. and discover that there a
whole new world of communication outside the smartphone. ;)

--
../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.46
* Origin: (2:221/1.58)

Hello Nil!

** On Sunday 13.09.20 - 23:05, Nil Alexandrov wrote to Charles Pierson:

Just let me understand the whole Fido to Telegram recent
trend concept in general. Is it all about bringing in a
mix a modern and convenient app for iOS/Android in lieu
of native modern and convenient Fido app? ;-)

The problem is that there is no one available to write this
thing you call "native modern and convenient Fido app".

Telegram seems to take care of providing a pretty good UI.

Stas' gate takes care of bridging the messages.

And, yes.. probably the primary idea is to make Fidonet
accessible on a smartphone. The experiment seems to show
good results.

--
../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.46
* Origin: (2:221/1.58)

Hello Charles!

** On Sunday 13.09.20 - 22:29, Charles Pierson wrote to Stas Mishchenkov:

Looking at the ELIST, there are several, but I have to
look elsewhere for activity on them. I would guess
ideally, you would want a fair amount of traffic on the
Fido side, and obviously interested parties on the
Telegram side, or Fido users willing to use Telegram as a
backup access.

Those would all be good criteria!

Look at the echomail stats table in the FidoGazette. If you
exclude the auto-posted echos, and the clearly pure sysop/bbs
talk echos, there are a handful of echos that could make good
candidates for regular "users".

--
../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.46
* Origin: (2:221/1.58)

Hello, Charles!

Sunday September 13 2020 23:30, from Charles Pierson -> Nil Alexandrov:

Just let me understand the whole Fido to Telegram recent trend
concept in general. Is it all about bringing in a mix a modern and
convenient app for iOS/Android in lieu of native modern and
convenient Fido app? ;-)

I would think it's for mobility access. Fido on the move, you can
keep up with some echoes while away from your computer.

It is exactly the native Fidonet app use case you are talking about.

I have the only 2 point system s I can find in the Google play store,
and both have limitations, and little to no support.

HotdogEd http://hotdoged.propush.ru and AfterShock http://www.asvcorp.ru/aftershock/

While HotdogEd still has support and free for FTN transport and is paid for NNTP, the AfterShock project is paid only option and is not supported and is known to have bad behavior with message threads and stuff.

This potentially could also give a way to introduce people to Fido who aren't familiar with it by using a chat app, which most people are familiar with, to access Fido echoes.

Most software developers are bad at UI design, these are different roles and should be performed by a team. So far there is no good collaboration to establish some new fido app development in a modern fashion.

Another difference is that a typical app will talk back to a centralized backend server to sync up all subscriptions and it usually makes it possible to access your mail and groups from different devices including mobile, desktop and web. This kind of works for NNTP where all messages are stored on the server and a client can cache them for offline reading. Where the FTN approach is to download bundles for a particular FTN address, e.g. point address. Once you download incoming packets to your mobile phone, you will not be able to get them on the other device. I now people will create a few point addresses and setup some netmail forwarding/copying between them, but this solution is ugly.

Best Regards, Nil
--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5
* Origin: -=NIL BBS=- (2:5015/46)

Hello, Charles!

Sunday September 13 2020 23:32, from Charles Pierson -> Nil Alexandrov:

As we saw the chart before, the most popular messenger is the
Facebook. Why not make a gateway for FB then? ;)

One, Facebook isn't open source. 2 they get shitty with their what's allowed and whats not. 3 do you really want Facebook involved in Fido?

The idea is to help people who stuck with the FB to allow them read some fido echomail without leaving the platform of comfort.

Best Regards, Nil
--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5
* Origin: -=NIL BBS=- (2:5015/46)

Answering a msg from Nil Alexandrov:

Hello, Charles!

Sunday September 13 2020 23:32, from Charles Pierson -> Nil Alexandrov:

As we saw the chart before, the most popular messenger is the
Facebook. Why not make a gateway for FB then? ;)

One, Facebook isn't open source. 2 they get shitty with their what's allowed and whats not. 3 do you really want Facebook involved in Fido?

The idea is to help people who stuck with the FB to allow them read some fido echomail without leaving the platform of comfort.

Best Regards, Nil

The Problem with Facebook, and many other, if not all social media systems of the like comes down to their terms of service. They can control, and even claim ownership of anything on their platforms. And Facebook is also known for buying and either shutting down or coopting other services to make themselves stronger. Not something I think Fido wants or needs.


--- tg2fido.pl
* Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)

Hello Stas!

** On Monday 14.09.20 - 00:01, Stas Mishchenkov wrote to Nil Alexandrov:

..This kind of BBS successfully lowers the network entry
threshold. Exactly enough so that a muddy wave of
pioneers and older morons would not rush here.

"muddy.. ..morons" ROTFL.

--
../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.46
* Origin: (2:221/1.58)

Hello Nil!

** On Monday 14.09.20 - 00:57, Nil Alexandrov wrote to Charles Pierson:

Most software developers are bad at UI design, these are
different roles and should be performed by a team. So far
there is no good collaboration to establish some new fido
app development in a modern fashion.

I cannot disagree with that. :) Engineers focused on
technicalities are rarely interested in aesthetics or
ergonomics for the user.


--
../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.46
* Origin: (2:221/1.58)

Hello Nil!

** On Monday 14.09.20 - 01:11, Nil Alexandrov wrote to Charles Pierson:

One, Facebook isn't open source. 2 they get shitty with
their what's allowed and whats not. 3 do you really want
Facebook involved in Fido?

The idea is to help people who stuck with the FB to allow
them read some fido echomail without leaving the platform
of comfort.

I don't think you would find most smartphone users resisting
to add another app. Telegram is just one of those "other"
apps with fun times to be had for all. The messaging UI and
operations are basically the same.

Bottom line, there is no open way to build such a thing to
integrate with FB Messenger. That's a good thing! ;)

--
../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.46
* Origin: (2:221/1.58)

Hello, August Abolins.
On 9/13/20 6:51 PM you wrote:

I cannot disagree with that. :) Engineers focused on
technicalities are rarely interested in aesthetics or ergonomics
for the user.

In general I would agree. But that's why you have people such as ourselves who take these toys out and play hard with them.
Then we go back to the developer and say "This is good, but can you....." So they know what people would like to see.

--
Best regards!
Posted using Hotdoged on Android
--- Hotdoged/2.13.5/Android
* Origin: The Oasis, Houston, Texas, USA (2:240/1120.976)

Hello Charles!

** On Monday 14.09.20 - 07:00, Charles Pierson wrote to August Abolins:

..But that's why you have people such as ourselves who
take these toys out and play hard with them. Then we go
back to the developer and say "This is good, but can
you....." So they know what people would like to see.

Yep. Stas is a good sport and very receptive with our cries
of "..but can you...".


--
../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.46
* Origin: (2:221/1.58)

Answering a msg from August Abolins:

Hello Charles!

** On Monday 14.09.20 - 07:00, Charles Pierson wrote to August Abolins:

..But that's why you have people such as ourselves who
take these toys out and play hard with them. Then we go
back to the developer and say "This is good, but can
you....." So they know what people would like to see.

Yep. Stas is a good sport and very receptive with our cries
of "..but can you...".

--
../|ug

That's the sign of a good coder. They listen to what the people using the program say, and make adjustments, as possible to meet what people would like.

True story. I worked for a large company that spent a couple of million dollars on a new modification for their program to help with logistics. I was invited to test. I broke their program in 10 seconds. The Project manager hated me.
"Why would you do that?"
We were in a conference room next to the Customer Service Department and Shipping Department. I pointed at those areas and said "I know how these people think. It's something they would do."
The coders were across the table from me madly making notes for adjustments. The Project Manager kicked me out of testing.
The coders called me for the rest of my time at that company to have my input. I gave them real life results.


--- tg2fido.pl
* Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)

Hi, August!

13 ᥭ 20 17:58, August Abolins -> Charles Pierson:

Look at the echomail stats table in the FidoGazette. If you
exclude the auto-posted echos, and the clearly pure sysop/bbs
talk echos, there are a handful of echos that could make good
candidates for regular "users".

= CRIMEA.ROBOTS (2:460/58.10) =================================================
Msg : 1982 of 1985
From : Stas Mishchenkov 2:460/58 Tue 15 Sep 20 23:58
To : All
Subj : EchoStat ===============================================================================

Area Messages ---------------------------------------------------
SU.POL 244
FIDONET.ONLINE 134
SU.HARDW.OTHER 109
COFFEE_KLATSCH 66
FUTURE4FIDO 56
RU.FIDONET.TODAY 47
R50.SYSOP.DRUNK 35
ALL-POLITICS 35
COOKING 35
FIDONEWS 29
ENET.SYSOP 29
NINO.046.LOCAL 26
PUSHKIN.LOCAL 20
TAGLINES 12
RU.SNOOKER 12

[...skipped...]

-+- Evil Robot
+ Origin: Lame Users Breeding, Crimea. (2:460/58) ===============================================================================

Have nice nights.
Brother Rabbit.

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Re: -==============================================-
By: August Abolins to All on Wed Jan 06 2021 08:26 pm

- LIST of Telegram/Fidonet echos as of JANUARY 2021

This is just a little reminder about the Fidonet echos{*} that are available to be enjoyed using Telegram as of Dec 2020. Simply visit the links to get the full description of each echo and see the cool icon.

You might want to add a little info for moderators who might be interested in having their echoes on Telegram also.. who to talk to and how to contact them.

Just a suggestion.. :)

Ttyl :-),
Al

... This sentence contradicts itself -- no actually it doesn't.
--- SBBSecho 3.12-Linux
* Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (1:153/757.2)

--From: Alan Ianson 1:153/757.2--
342.fido-coffeekl@1:153/757.2 245b2e05
Re: -==============================================-
By: August Abolins to All on Wed Jan 06 2021 08:26 pm

- LIST of Telegram/Fidonet echos as of JANUARY 2021

This is just a little reminder about the Fidonet echos{*} that are available to be enjoyed using Telegram as of Dec 2020. Simply visit the links to get the full description of each echo and see the cool icon.

You might want to add a little info for moderators who might be interested in having their echoes on Telegram also.. who to talk to and how to contact them.

Just a suggestion.. :)

Ttyl :-),
Al

... This sentence contradicts itself -- no actually it doesn't.

Hi Al,

That could be true. But I think the last hold-outs were the pull-outs and those would be the next best echos to add for the Telegram experience. Meanwhile, I have posted this in ECHO_ADS in the recent past. Maybe a reminder every month or so would work.

I really can't think of any other "official" fidonet echos that could work. Many of the others are pure programming or technical where copy-paste of source codes or tables would not work very well with the Telegram reader app.


--- tg BBS v0.6.3
* Origin: Fido by Telegram BBS by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)