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Facebook's history betrays its privacy pivot

Posted: March 20, 2019 by David Ruiz

Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg proposed a radical pivot for his company this month: it would start caring-really-about privacy, building out a new version of the platform that turns Facebook less into a public, open "town square" and more into a private, intimate "living room."

Zuckerberg promised end-to-end encryption across the company's messaging platforms, interoperability, disappearing messages, posts, and photos for users, and a commitment to store less user data, while also refusing to put that data in countries with poor human rights records.

If carried out, these promises could bring user privacy front and center.

But Zuckerberg's promises have exhausted users, privacy advocates, technologists, and industry experts, including those of us at Malwarebytes. Respecting user privacy makes for a better Internet, period. And Zuckerberg's proposals are absolutely a step in the right direction. Unfortunately, there is
a chasm between Zuckerberg's privacy proposal and Facebook's privacy success. Given Zuckerberg's past performance, we doubt that he will actually deliver, and we blame no user who feels the same way.

The outside response to Zuckerberg's announcement was swift and critical.

One early Facebook investor called the move a PR stunt. Veteran tech journalist
Kara Swisher jabbed Facebook for a "shoplift" of a competitor's better idea. Digital rights group Electronic Frontier Foundation said it would believe in a truly private Facebook when it sees it, and Austrian online privacy rights activist (and thorn in Facebook's side) Max Schrems laughed at what he saw as hypocrisy: merging users' metadata across WhatsApp, Facebook, and Instagram, and telling users it was for their own, private good.

The biggest obstacle to believing Zuckerberg's words? For many, it's Facebook's
history.

The very idea of a privacy-protective Facebook goes so against the public's understanding of the company that Zuckerberg's comments taste downright unpalatable. These promises are coming from a man whose crisis-management statements often lack the words "sorry" or "apology." A man who, when his company was trying to contain its own understanding of a foreign intelligence disinformation campaign, played would-be president, touring America for a so-called "listening tour."

Users, understandably, expect better. They expect companies to protect their privacy. But can Facebook actually live up to that?
"The future of the Internet"

Zuckerberg opens his appeal with a shaky claim-that he has focused his attention in recent years on "understanding and addressing the biggest challenges facing Facebook." According to Zuckerberg, "this means taking positions on important issues concerning the future of the Internet."

Facebook's vision of the future of the Internet has, at times, been largely positive. Facebook routinely supports net neutrality, and last year, the company opposed a dangerous, anti-encryption, anti-security law in Australia that could force companies around the world to comply with secret government orders to spy on users.

But Facebook's lobbying record also reveals a future of the Internet that is, for some, less secure.

Last year, Facebook supported one half of a pair of sibling bills that eventually merged into one law. The law followed a convoluted, circuitous route, but its impact today is clear: Consensual sex workers have found their online communities wiped out, and are once again pushed into the streets, away from guidance and support, and potentially back into the hands of predators.

"The bill is killing us," said one sex worker to The Huffington Post.

Though the law was ostensibly meant to protect sex trafficking victims, it has only made their lives worse, according to some sex worker advocates.

On March 21, 2018, the US Senate passed the Allow States and Victims to Fight Online Sex Trafficking (FOSTA) bill. The bill was the product of an earlier version of its own namesake, and a separate, related bill, called the Stop Enabling Sex Traffickers Act (SESTA). Despite clear warnings from digital rights groups and sex positive advocates, Facebook supported SESTA in November 2017. According to the New York Times, Facebook made this calculated move to curry favor amongst some of its fiercest critics in US politics.

"[The] sex trafficking bill was championed by Senator John Thune, a Republican of South Dakota who had pummeled Facebook over accusations that it censored conservative content, and Senator Richard Blumenthal, a Connecticut Democrat and senior commerce committee member who was a frequent critic of Facebook," the article said. "Facebook broke ranks with other tech companies, hoping the move would help repair relations on both sides of the aisle, said two congressional staffers and three tech industry officials."

Last October, the bill came back to haunt the social media giant: a Jane Doe plaintiff in Texas sued Facebook for failing to protect her from sex traffickers.

Further in Zuckerberg's essay, he promises that Facebook will continue to refuse to build data centers in countries with poor human rights records.

Zuckerberg's concern is welcome and his cautions are well-placed. As the Internet has evolved, so has data storage. Users' online profiles, photos, videos, and messages can travel across various servers located in countries around the world, away from a company's headquarters. But this development poses a challenge. Placing people's data in countries with fewer privacy protections-and potentially oppressive government regimes-puts everyone's private, online lives at risk. As Zuckerberg said:

"[S]toring data in more countries also establishes a precedent that emboldens other governments to seek greater access to their citizen's data and therefore weakens privacy and security protections for people around the world," Zuckerberg said.

But what Zuckerberg says and what Facebook supports are at odds.

Last year, Facebook supported the CLOUD Act, a law that lowered privacy protections around the world by allowing foreign governments to directly request companies for their citizens' online data. It is a law that, according to Electronic Frontier Foundation, could result in UK police inadvertently getting their hands on Slack messages written by an American, and then forwarding those messages to US police, who could then charge that American with a crime-all without a warrant.

The same day that the CLOUD Act was first introduced as a bill, it received immediate support from Facebook, Google, Microsoft, Apple, and Oath (formerly Yahoo). Digital rights groups, civil liberties advocates, and human rights organizations directly opposed the bill soon after. None of their efforts swayed the technology giants. The CLOUD Act became law just months after its introduction.

While Zuckerberg's push to keep data out of human-rights-abusing countries is a
step in the right direction for protecting global privacy, his company supported a law that could result in the opposite. The CLOUD Act does not meaningfully hinge on a country's human rights record. Instead, it hinges on backroom negotiations between governments, away from public view.

The future of the Internet is already here, and Facebook is partially responsible for the way it looks.
Skepticism over Facebook's origin story 2.0

For years, Zuckerberg told anyone who would listen-including US Senators hungry
for answers-that he started Facebook in his Harvard dorm room. This innocent retelling involves a young, doe-eyed Zuckerberg who doesn't care about starting
a business, but rather, about connecting people.

Connection, Zuckerberg has repeated, was the ultimate mission. This singular vision was once employed by a company executive to hand-wave away human death for the "*de facto* good" of connecting people.

But Zuckerberg's latest statement adds a new purpose, or wrinkle, to the Facebook mission: privacy.

"Privacy gives people the freedom to be themselves and connect more naturally, which is why we build social networks," Zuckerberg said.

Several experts see ulterior motives.

Kara Swisher, the executive editor of Recode, said that Facebook's re-steering is probably an attempt to remain relevant with younger users. Online privacy, data shows, is a top concern for that demographic. But caring about privacy, Swisher said, "was never part of [Facebook's] DNA, except perhaps as a throwaway line in a news release."

Ashkan Soltani, former chief technology officer of the Federal Trade Commission, said that Zuckerberg's ideas were obvious attempts to leverage privacy as a competitive edge.

"I strongly support consumer privacy when communicating online but this move is
entirely a strategic play to use privacy as a competitive advantage and further
lock-in Facebook as the dominant messaging platform," Soltani said on Twitter.

As to the commitment to staying out of countries that violate human rights, Riana Pfefferkorn, associate director of surveillance and cybersecurity at Stanford Law School's Center for Internet and Society, pressed harder.

"I don't know what standards they're using to determine who are human rights abusers," Pfefferkorn said in a phone interview. "If it's the list of countries
that the US has sanctioned, where they won't allow exports, that's a short list. But if you have every country that's ever put dissidents in prison, then that starts some much harder questions."

For instance, what will Facebook do if it wants to enter a country that, on paper, protects human rights, but in practice, utilizes oppressive laws against
its citizens? Will Facebook preserve its new privacy model and forgo the market
entirely? Or will it bend?

"We'll see about that," Pfefferkorn said in an earlier email. "[Zuckerberg] is answerable to shareholders and to the tyranny of the #1 rule: growth, growth, growth."

Asked whether Facebook's pivot will succeed, Pfefferkorn said the company has definitely made some important hires to help out. In the past year, Facebook brought aboard three critics and digital rights experts-one from EFF, one from New American's Open Technology Institute, and another from AccessNow-into lead policy roles. Further, Pfefferkorn said, Facebook has successfully pushed out enormous, privacy-forward projects before.


Regards,

Roger

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Hello Roger!

** 11.04.19 - 12:09, Roger Nelson wrote to All:

Facebook's history betrays its privacy pivot
Posted: March 20, 2019 by David Ruiz

Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg proposed a radical pivot for his company..

I have gradually lost favour in FB over the years. However, it seems to remain a favourite among some of my friends and family to quickly post a picture or something - but often without any context with it.

FB is essentially a kind of bbs but at the sacrifice of ads and a branded look to everything. People love it because it empowers them to think
they've got their own website. Meanwhile, users dump all kinds of
personal info onto it, and FB enjoys monetizing *your* data.

With all the privacy and targetted ads issues, I've just started to see FB
as a grand surveilllance experiment that I would rather not be part of.

Has anyone here clicked on the ads they offer on the right side of the screen?

I hate the way FB picks up on some of the "shared posts" videos that I
watch from my friends, and then find a whole wack of similar stuff the
next time I go to YouTube.


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On 2019 Apr 12 01:39:00, you wrote to Roger Nelson:

FB is essentially a kind of bbs but at the sacrifice of ads and a branded look to everything. People love it because it empowers them to think they've got their own website.

that's the problem... thinking instead of understanding...

Meanwhile, users dump all kinds of personal info onto it, and FB
enjoys monetizing *your* data.

that was the original goal... i mean, look who created it and what it was created for...

With all the privacy and targetted ads issues, I've just started to
see FB as a grand surveilllance experiment that I would rather not be
part of.

see my comment above...

Has anyone here clicked on the ads they offer on the right side of the screen?

what ads?? NEVER /ever/ *ever* click on ads, period! */ever/*...

I hate the way FB picks up on some of the "shared posts" videos that I watch from my friends, and then find a whole wack of similar stuff the next time I go to YouTube.

that's not FB picking up on it if you are watching them on FB... it is FB telling YT that you watched them and YT's algorithm taking it from there... if the videos you watch on FB are hosted on YT, FB may not be doing anything since
YT is already noting your connection and the video to use in the algorithm...

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Mark,

what ads?? NEVER /ever/ *ever* click on ads, period! */ever/*...

I use a web browser add-on called "Fluff Busting Purity"
(www.fbpurity.com). You set it up to block out things you don't want,
and just have things you do want.

Basically, I block out all the ads, group suggestions, etc. It makes
for a much better Facebook experience.

It works on most all web browsers...I used to use Chrome, but switched
to Firefox yesterday, and I've been pleasantly surprised with Firefox.

Daryl
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Re: FB Part 1
By: Daryl Stout to MARK LEWIS on Fri Apr 12 2019 10:30 pm

what ads?? NEVER /ever/ *ever* click on ads, period! */ever/*...

Sucks when you ACCIDENTALLY click on a ad, then FB gets all excited and taylors my ads for female products :\

I use a web browser add-on called "Fluff Busting Purity" (www.fbpurity.com). You set it up to block out things you don't want,
and just have things you do want.

I'm going to have to check that out, sounds like something I REALLY need


Regards,
KrUpTiOn
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On 2019 Apr 13 15:36:06, you wrote to Daryl Stout:

I use a web browser add-on called "Fluff Busting Purity"
(www.fbpurity.com). You set it up to block out things you don't want,
and just have things you do want.

I'm going to have to check that out, sounds like something I REALLY need

KISS, man... KISS... noscript and adblockplus is all you really need... then there's the training period where you allow only certain sites in noscript... i
always enable the protocol mechanism (can't remember the setting) so that i only allow those and not just anything from a site... some sites need additional sites to work properly but i'm extremely particular about which ones
i allow... it takes time but once it is done, it works great...

i don't use anything else than those two and downright refuse to use any others...

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Hello Daryl!

** 12.04.19 - 22:30, Daryl Stout wrote to MARK LEWIS:

I use a web browser add-on called "Fluff Busting Purity"
(www.fbpurity.com). You set it up to block out things you don't
want, and just have things you do want.

Basically, I block out all the ads, group suggestions, etc. It makes
for a much better Facebook experience.

Thanks for mentioning that. I will have to give that one a try.
Currently, I have been using a combination of the uBlock and
SocialAdblocker add-ons.


../|ug

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Charles,

what ads?? NEVER /ever/ *ever* click on ads, period! */ever/*...

Sucks when you ACCIDENTALLY click on a ad, then FB gets all excited and tayl CS>my ads for female products :\

Before my wife died, I got several ads for feminine hygiene products
in the mail. I asked her "What am I going to do with them??"...and she
growled "Don't even go there". <G>

I use a web browser add-on called "Fluff Busting Purity" (www.fbpurity.com). You set it up to block out things you don't want, and just have things you do want.

I'm going to have to check that out, sounds like something I REALLY need

The developer is constantly updating it, as Facebook keeps trying to circumvent what it does.

For one thing, Facebook ALWAYS wants you to view "Top Stories", and
will set it to that automatically. But, with Fluff Busting Purity (FBP),
you can set it to "Most Recent". Setting it to "Friends Feed" can make
it appear there are no posts (you've read everything already), and it
says "you can find and add new friends". I was using "Friends Feed" for
a time, but switched to "Most Recent" because of that. You can also TURN
OFF the ENTIRE NEWS FEED, within FBP.

With turning off the entire news feed, you can just concentrate on the
groups you're part of in the "shortcuts section". That way, you don't
spend half the day on Facebook.

It is suggested on first use, you go in (click on FBP at the top) to customize your settings. But, it makes for a much more enjoyable
Facebook experience.

I will admit I went in the other day, and unjoined a bunch of groups
and pages. I was spending far too much time on Facebook, and have got it
now to under 2 dozen groups and pages...mainly for where I'm an admin,
or where I post items on a regular basis.

Daryl

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August,

Thanks for mentioning that. I will have to give that one a try. AA>Currently, I have been using a combination of the uBlock and AA>SocialAdblocker add-ons.

I have Adblock Plus 2 in the browser for outside of Facebook, but
Fluff Busting Purity is the PERFECT browser add-on to deal with, and get
rid of all the "Facebook crap" that you don't want to see.

Daryl

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Hello Daryl!

** 13.04.19 - 19:41, Daryl Stout wrote to AUGUST ABOLINS:

I have Adblock Plus 2 in the browser for outside of Facebook, but
Fluff Busting Purity is the PERFECT browser add-on to deal with, and get rid of all the "Facebook crap" that you don't want to see.

There is actually one other add-on that I use specifiaclly for Facebook:

(It is rather interesting to watch. Even though the FB page seems finished loading, this plugin will show you the number of requests it has blocked
per session.)

"Disconnect for Facebook. Disconnect for Facebook is an efficient firewall
to disconnect third-party websites from accessing to your Facebook. Disconnect for Facebook is an efficient firewall to prevent Facebook from tracking the webpages you go to by blocking all Facebook related requests sent from all third-party websites. Although Facebook Disconnect blocks
all traffic from third-party sites to Facebook servers but still you can visit your Facebook account with no problem.
Features"

"3 reasons to use Facebook Disconnect:

Stops Facebook from tracking the webpages you go to
Has a very low memory and CPU footprint
Can be easily toggled on and off from the toolbar button

"

"Some useful notes
1. What is the badge number on the toolbar button?
The badge is an indicator of the number of blocked web-requests on the
current page.
"

"2. How can I activate the extension?
Once this extension is installed, there's nothing really much you need to
do. Just click on the toolbar button. When the the color is red, it blocks
all the Facebook related requests.
"

"Note:
This is WebExtension implementation for my Facebook Disconnect add-on.
This new implementation should be lighter and more stable. Please open bug reports in https://github.com/cluclead/facebook-disconnect if there is a
bug with this version."


../|ug

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Hello all!

I just wanted to say it's a BEAUTIFUL day here in Ohio, nice spring-like weather!

:)




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Hello mark!

** 12.04.19 - 08:49, mark lewis wrote to August Abolins:

I hate the way FB picks up on some of the "shared posts" videos that I AA>> watch from my friends, and then find a whole wack of similar stuff the AA>> next time I go to YouTube.

that's not FB picking up on it if you are watching them on FB... it is FB telling YT that you watched them and YT's algorithm taking it from
there... if the videos you watch on FB are hosted on YT, FB may not be doing anything since YT is already noting your connection and the video to use in the algorithm...

I know. :( That is *one* reason of many that I dislike FB.

It really bugs me to see so many additional queries to trackers on most sites.

Plus, some sites are not very efficient with their use of images, thus causing everything to load slow. But I digress..



../|ug

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I just wanted to say it's a BEAUTIFUL day here in Ohio, nice spring-like K>weather!

Braggert. <G>

Tornadoes were the rule in the Arklatex, Arklamiss, and MidSouth yesterday...and it looks like a wider area will be threatened Wednesday
through Friday of the upcoming week...including Ohio.

Daryl

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I just wanted to say it's a BEAUTIFUL day here in Ohio, nice spring-like weather!

Overall, it was nice in Kentucky yesterday also. Little dreary here this morning.

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Mike,

I just wanted to say it's a BEAUTIFUL day here in Ohio, nice spring-like MP>> weather!

Overall, it was nice in Kentucky yesterday also. Little dreary here this MP>morning.

It was cloudy and chilly Sunday morning, but the sun came out and
warmed it into the 50s this afternoon.

I'm really concerned about the severe weather threat here Wednesday
and Wednesday night. I saw numerous tornado watches out from the
southeast US into the DelMarVa this evening.

Daryl

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On 2019 Apr 12 01:39:00, you wrote to Roger Nelson:

[...]

that's not FB picking up on it if you are watching them on FB... it is FB telling YT that you watched them and YT's algorithm taking it from
there... if the videos you watch on FB are hosted on YT, FB may not be doing anything since YT is already noting your connection and the video
to use in the algorithm...

Does YT stand for "your television"?


Regards,

Roger

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On 2019 Apr 15 06:40:08, you wrote to me:

that's not FB picking up on it if you are watching them on FB... it is
FB telling YT that you watched them and YT's algorithm taking it from
there... if the videos you watch on FB are hosted on YT, FB may not be
doing anything since YT is already noting your connection and the video
to use in the algorithm...

Does YT stand for "your television"?

ewwwtoobe

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On Mon Apr-15-2019 13:03, mark lewis (1:3634/12.73) wrote to Roger Nelson:

On 2019 Apr 15 06:40:08, you wrote to me:

that's not FB picking up on it if you are watching them on FB... it is
FB telling YT that you watched them and YT's algorithm taking it from
there... if the videos you watch on FB are hosted on YT, FB may not be
doing anything since YT is already noting your connection and the video
to use in the algorithm...

Does YT stand for "your television"?

ewwwtoobe

Sorry. I forgot to put a smiley after the question.

...Starve a troll, feed a fever.


Regards,

Roger
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On Apr 15th 12:07 am Daryl Stout said...

I just wanted to say it's a BEAUTIFUL day here in Ohio, nice spring-like K>weather!

Braggert. <G>

Tornadoes were the rule in the Arklatex, Arklamiss, and MidSouth yesterday...and it looks like a wider area will be threatened Wednesday through Friday of the upcoming week...including Ohio.

Hehe....

I spoke WAY too soon! today's high was 42 (Realfeel around 36!) Not to mention
the day after I wrote that, the temp dropped and we had Tornado warnings in my
area.. Next time I"m not gonna open my big mouth and just enjoy the weather!






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On Apr 15th 12:07 am Mike Powell said...

spring-like > weather!

Overall, it was nice in Kentucky yesterday also. Little dreary here this morning.

What part of Kentucky do you live? closer to the Ohio border?



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On 2019 Apr 15 14:13:10, you wrote to me:

from there... if the videos you watch on FB are hosted on YT, FB may
not be doing anything since YT is already noting your connection and
the video to use in the algorithm...

Does YT stand for "your television"?

ewwwtoobe

Sorry. I forgot to put a smiley after the question.

hahaha... not a problem, my friend... not a problem :)


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I spoke WAY too soon! today's high was 42 (Realfeel around 36!) Not to menti
the day after I wrote that, the temp dropped and we had Tornado warnings in area.. Next time I"m not gonna open my big mouth and just enjoy the weather!

Would you like some more salted crow and humble pie?? <G>

Daryl

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On Apr 17th 12:06 am Daryl Stout said...

I spoke WAY too soon! today's high was 42 (Realfeel around 36!) Not to menti K> the day after I wrote that, the temp dropped and we had Tornado warnings in K> area.. Next time I"m not gonna open my big mouth and just enjoy the weather!

Would you like some more salted crow and humble pie?? <G>

See, Ohio weather is SO bi-polar! I was rushing out the door at 5am, didn't check the weather, I just put my head outside, it was cold, so I wore a thicker
coat, even brought my gloves! I got home arounde 11pm, and I was sweating while outside so I had to carry my lug my coat around!

Supposed to be in the 70's next few days here! :)



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Hello KrUpTiOn!

Replying to a message of KrUpTiOn to Daryl Stout:

See, Ohio weather is SO bi-polar! I was rushing out the door at 5am, didn't check the weather, I just put my head outside, it was cold, so
I wore a thicker coat, even brought my gloves! I got home arounde
11pm, and I was sweating while outside so I had to carry my lug my
coat around!

It was the same kind of weather in NYC, and I guess it is still like this out there.
I moved to Austin, TX last week, nice and sunny in here. Though I keep hearing that soon it is going to be very very hot :)

Best regards,
Roman!

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On Apr 30th 9:48 am Roman Litvinenko said...

coat around! It was the same kind of weather in NYC, and I guess it is still like this out there. I moved to Austin, TX last week, nice and sunny in here. Though I keep hearing that soon it is going to be very very hot :)

I have some In-Laws in Texas, I think they're in or close to El Paso. Moved there from Ohio. They said the first 2 years it was tough getting used to the hot weather there! I'll see for myself one day, going to go visit them next summer.. :)



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I have some In-Laws in Texas, I think they're in or close to El Paso. Moved there from Ohio. They said the first 2 years it was tough getting used to the hot weather there! I'll see for myself one day, going to go

Living most my life in the Southwest, El Paso is a dry
heat with wind (we call anything under 50mph a breeze) compared to Austin
which is a humid heat. I have lived in El Paso, Tucson, Phx, Abq, etc... And
of them all I came back to Rio Rancho (neighbor city of Abq) decades ago as
we get 4 seasons unlike a some of the southwest cites. Once you start to tire of the current season then next one is starting up so that is fun. Our heat
is dry, we get snow on average and 100+ degree in July. Breeze, here in
central NM is any wind under 50mph is a breeze...At my house the weather station will commonly record 55-75+mph winds.

Austin is a beautiful city for sure! Unfortunately the humidity kills my
asthma though.

One thing I miss living in El Paso is the thunder storms, the sound of the thunder is unlike anywhere else!

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On May 2nd 11:32 am Shane O'Neill said...

heat. I have lived in El Paso, Tucson, Phx, Abq, etc... And of them all I came back to Rio Rancho (neighbor city of Abq) decades ago as we get 4 seasons unlike a some of the southwest cites. Once you start to tire of the current season then next one is starting up so that is fun. Our heat is dry, we get snow on average and 100+ degree in July. Breeze, here in central NM is any wind under 50mph is a breeze...At my house the weather station will commonly record 55-75+mph winds.

That sounds awesome! On my bucket list, is to visit Texas. It'll prolly happen soon. Sounds like a great place have fun.....and get old at! :)

Austin is a beautiful city for sure! Unfortunately the humidity kills my asthma though.

I'm sure! Up her in Ohio, the Poll is what kills me. I've never lived in a city
where that wasn't a issue! I Have dreamed/thought about moving someplace where
it wouldn't be a issue. But knowing me, something else would prolly pop up!





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Re: Re: Nice Day
By: KrUpTiOn to Shane O'Neill on Fri May 03 2019 07:13 pm

That sounds awesome! On my bucket list, is to visit Texas. It'll prolly happen soon. Sounds like a great place have fun.....and get old at! :)

Austin is a beautiful city for sure! Unfortunately the humidity

kills my asthma though.

Humidity?? Oh man. I'm on long Island surrounded by water. The Humidiy can get unbearable in the summer. I had a good friend that had asthma. In fact the entire family of 5 had it. They finally sold the house and moved to Arizona. They all were doing great once in Arizona. 3 years after they left my friend came back to Long Island to visit. I don't think he was back 2 days and he had an attack. First one in 3 years. Never saw him again after that. Now me?
I live in the AC from May to October. Anyone have a rental in Arizona?? ;-)

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On May 17th 4:50 pm Steven Wolf said...

kills my asthma though.

Humidity?? Oh man. I'm on long Island surrounded by water. The Humidiy can get unbearable in the summer. I had a good friend that had asthma. In fact the entire family of 5 had it. They finally sold the house and moved to Arizona. They all were doing great once in Arizona. 3 years after they left my friend came back to Long Island to visit. I don't think he was back 2 days and he had an attack. First one in 3 years. Never saw him again after that. Now me? I live in the AC from May to October. Anyone have a rental in Arizona?? ;-)

OH yeah, I know about the L.I.! I was raised in NYC (Brooklyn). I(We/Famil) moved to Ohio in 86, Wasn't MY choice, I was in middle school and I HATED it here when I first moved! I thought Akron (Ohio) was 'country'! Even though it's
one of the top 5-6 biggest cities in the state, compaired to NYC, it was like all farm! haha... I didn't know how to act, or where to hang out at. I was one
of the cardboard kids with the boom boxes! My first day in Akron, I found some
cardboard, I brought my boom box, and started dancing! (it was a non-busy street, so just imagine the looks! :D took me awhile to 'change' to a buckeye!

My oldest daughter is in AZ, I'm gonna surprise her and just pop up one day!
I had a few job offers there when I was in college, wished I had taken the now!



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Re: FB Part 1
By: mark lewis to Charles Stephenson on Sat Apr 13 2019 05:49 pm

KISS, man... KISS... noscript and adblockplus is all you really need... then there's the training period where you allow only certain sites in noscript... i
always enable the protocol mechanism (can't remember the setting) so that i only allow those and not just anything from a site... some sites need additional sites to work properly but i'm extremely particular about which ones
i allow... it takes time but once it is done, it works great...

Thanks for the info! I'll be working on that this weekend too! :)
Regards,
KrUpTiOn
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Re: FB Part 1
By: Daryl Stout to CHARLES STEPHENSON on Sat Apr 13 2019 08:01 pm

Before my wife died, I got several ads for feminine hygiene products
in the mail. I asked her "What am I going to do with them??"...and she growled "Don't even go there". <G>

haha!! LOVE it! (And hope all goes well, since your Wife's passing)

For one thing, Facebook ALWAYS wants you to view "Top Stories", and
will set it to that automatically. But, with Fluff Busting Purity (FBP), you can set it to "Most Recent". Setting it to "Friends Feed" can make
it appear there are no posts (you've read everything already), and it
says "you can find and add new friends". I was using "Friends Feed" for
a time, but switched to "Most Recent" because of that. You can also TURN OFF the ENTIRE NEWS FEED, within FBP.

I am SO over Facebook. I lose interest in it more and more by the second...

With turning off the entire news feed, you can just concentrate on the groups you're part of in the "shortcuts section". That way, you don't spend half the day on Facebook.

That's pretty much the ONLY reason why I even sign onto Facebook now. There ARE a few things about certain BBS topics I can get help for faster than the Echoes, even though I try to ask in Echomail first. I use Facebook MORE for advertising my BBSes.

It is suggested on first use, you go in (click on FBP at the top) to
I will admit I went in the other day, and unjoined a bunch of groups
and pages. I was spending far too much time on Facebook, and have got it now to under 2 dozen groups and pages...mainly for where I'm an admin,
or where I post items on a regular basis.

That's a good idea, I need to do that too. I've been on FB for heck, well over 10 years, since MySpace took a dumb. I was on FB trolling for females back in the day! I need to delete al the groups I wsa in like 10+ years ago.. *blush* Regards,
KrUpTiOn
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Charles,

Before my wife died, I got several ads for feminine hygiene products
in the mail. I asked her "What am I going to do with them??"...and she growled "Don't even go there". <G>

haha!! LOVE it! (And hope all goes well, since your Wife's passing)

She had a very wry sense of humor. One night, I was being a smart @$$
with her, and noted "My head is so far up my butt, that I can see my
throat!!". Without missing a beat, she said "No wonder your eyes are
brown!!" <ZING!!>.

I am SO over Facebook. I lose interest in it more and more by the second...

Well, I moderate several groups, but I've greatly reduced my friends
list, group involvement, etc. I just don't have time for it.

That's pretty much the ONLY reason why I even sign onto Facebook now. There CS>a few things about certain BBS topics I can get help for faster than the CS>Echoes, even though I try to ask in Echomail first. I use Facebook MORE for CS>advertising my BBSes.

It's rare I've put an ad up for my BBS. We've had such a stormy spring
here, with more days having thunderstorms than dry days, that the BBS
was down to protect from lightning damage. We finally get a few days to
dry out here.

That's a good idea, I need to do that too. I've been on FB for heck, well ov CS>10 years, since MySpace took a dumb. I was on FB trolling for females back i CS>the day! I need to delete al the groups I wsa in like 10+ years ago.. *blush

That Fluff Busting Purity makes it so much easier, where I don't have
to weed through all their garbage and crap, to view what I want to see.

Daryl

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Re: FB Part 1
By: Daryl Stout to CHARLES STEPHENSON on Wed May 22 2019 07:27 am

She had a very wry sense of humor. One night, I was being a smart @$$
with her, and noted "My head is so far up my butt, that I can see my throat!!". Without missing a beat, she said "No wonder your eyes are brown!!" <ZING!!>.

HAHA!! LOVE it! :) My ex-wife had quite a few 'brown eye' jokes for me. That was one of the things that drew me to her, her uncanny sense of humor like mine!

Well, I moderate several groups, but I've greatly reduced my friends
list, group involvement, etc. I just don't have time for it.

Before I got back into BBS'ing, I'd get bored with ALL social media and took long month long breaks. It's always the same posts, he/she cheated with he/she, I'm in love with he/she, or I'm gonna post my life problems and hope I get a reaction... Boooooo!!

It's rare I've put an ad up for my BBS. We've had such a stormy spring here, with more days having thunderstorms than dry days, that the BBS
was down to protect from lightning damage. We finally get a few days to dry out here.

Where do you live? Hopefully not in Tornado Alley. It's been bad this week, Regards,
KrUpTiOn
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Charles,

She had a very wry sense of humor. One night, I was being a smart @$$ with her, and noted "My head is so far up my butt, that I can see my throat!!". Without missing a beat, she said "No wonder your eyes are brown!!" <ZING!!>.

HAHA!! LOVE it! :) My ex-wife had quite a few 'brown eye' jokes for me. Tha CS>was one of the things that drew me to her, her uncanny sense of humor like CS>mine!

I think I got fat on humble pie and salted crow, more than
conventional food and drink. When she was with me, and I said "She keeps
me in line", without missing a beat, she said "Well, SOMEBODY has to"!!

Before I got back into BBS'ing, I'd get bored with ALL social media and took CS>long month long breaks. It's always the same posts, he/she cheated with he/s CS>I'm in love with he/she, or I'm gonna post my life problems and hope I get a CS>reaction... Boooooo!!

The ones that telling about their bowel and bladder habits, and their
sex life...drive me nuts...no pun intended. <G>

Where do you live? Hopefully not in Tornado Alley. It's been bad this week,

I'm in Little Rock, Arkansas...and I'm in BOTH Tornado Alley (the
eastern end), and Dixie Alley (the western end). So, we get it double
barreled. The bigger issue right now is record flooding along the
Arkansas River...even approaching major flood stage at Little Rock.
Thankfully, I'm far enough away, and on high enough ground, where that's
not a concern.

Daryl

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On May 26th 1:49 am Daryl Stout said...

I think I got fat on humble pie and salted crow, more than conventional food and drink. When she was with me, and I said "She keeps me in line", without missing a beat, she said "Well, SOMEBODY has to"!! <G>

I can relate brother! Being married does that! I've bit my tongue so much, I'm
surprised I can even TASTE food still! :D


On May 26th 1:49 am Daryl Stout said...

I'm in Little Rock, Arkansas...and I'm in BOTH Tornado Alley (the eastern end), and Dixie Alley (the western end). So, we get it double barreled. The bigger issue right now is record flooding along the Arkansas River...even approaching major flood stage at Little Rock. Thankfully, I'm far enough away, and on high enough ground, where that's not a concern.

Ahh... you're STILL in my prayers. Hope all went/goes well for you! 'Tis the season'!

Regards



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Charles,

I think I got fat on humble pie and salted crow, more than convention food and drink. When she was with me, and I said "She keeps me in line" without missing a beat, she said "Well, SOMEBODY has to"!! <G>

I can relate brother! Being married does that! I've bit my tongue so much, CS>surprised I can even TASTE food still! :D

Yet, I have all the wonderful memories that no one can take away. She
was a great spouse, and a great Co-Sysop. But, get ahead of her in the doorgames, and it was "none for me tonight". :P

Ahh... you're STILL in my prayers. Hope all went/goes well for you! 'Tis the CS>season'!

They closed a local park just 1/4 mile from me, due to rising floodwaters...likely from backwaters from Fourche Creek, which drains
from the Arkansas River. I should be OK, though...but the Arkansas River
is forecast to crest 6 feet above flood stage at Little Rock next
Tuesday. From Conway (about 30 miles northwest of Little Rock),
northwest into Kansas, they're seeing all time record flooding.

Daryl
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On May 31st 2:41 am Daryl Stout said...

Yet, I have all the wonderful memories that no one can take away. She was a great spouse, and a great Co-Sysop. But, get ahead of her in the doorgames, and it was "none for me tonight". :P

haha!! I've been there! My 1st Fiancee was also my Co-SysOp on my first 'The New Frontier BBS'. We linked up because she was a user on my BBS! We were together for about 5 years. Young...very young. I still think of our time together. We're actually facebook friends now....


On May 31st 2:41 am Daryl Stout said...

from the Arkansas River. I should be OK, though...but the Arkansas River is forecast to crest 6 feet above flood stage at Little Rock next Tuesday. From Conway (about 30 miles northwest of Little Rock), northwest into Kansas, they're seeing all time record flooding.

I've been watching alot of the national news, and a lot of it was about the flooding and after-effects from the Tornadoes and rain. I'm here in Ohio, some of that came this way too. I'm in NE Ohio, we had a death in Dayton Ohio when a
twister tiouched down..



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Charles,

haha!! I've been there! My 1st Fiancee was also my Co-SysOp on my first 'The CS>New Frontier BBS'. We linked up because she was a user on my BBS! We were CS>together for about 5 years. Young...very young. I still think of our time CS>together. We're actually facebook friends now....

The same here. We met on a BBS that was run by the computer science department at the local college. The BBS is long gone, but the other two remain.

I don't know if Facebook was around before she died, but I didn't know
about it back in 2007.

I've been watching alot of the national news, and a lot of it was about the CS>flooding and after-effects from the Tornadoes and rain. I'm here in Ohio, so CS>of that came this way too. I'm in NE Ohio, we had a death in Dayton Ohio whe CS>twister tiouched down..

Yeah, the former home of the Dayton Hamvention, Hara Arena, was
heavily damaged by an EF-3 tornado. Their only choice now is to bulldoze
it.

Daryl

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