Hi Everyone,

Anyone have any experience setting up D'Bridge to work with JAM message areas? An extermal tosser?

I'm quickly running out of the 200 Hudson areas in RemoteAccess. :)

Cheers
Aaron/DW


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On 22 Mar 21 14:53:00, Aaron Grasswell said the following to All:

Anyone have any experience setting up D'Bridge to work with JAM message areas?
An extermal tosser?

You will need an external tosser which would then handle all of the tossing, scanning and Netmail operation; leaving the mailer to only handle Queue items. The internal mail processor becomes disabled.

The tosser of your choice must specifically support D'Bridge or "Arcmail" dynamic mode.

Do NOT place any outgoing Queue items from that tosser into the mailer's Queue directory. Create a new outbound directory just for that tosser.

Fastecho is broken, do not use it.

Nick

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Cheers Nick,

I'll check it out. See how badly I can break things. :D
Thanks!

Aaron


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On 22 Mar 2021, Aaron Grasswell said the following...

Cheers Nick,

I'll check it out. See how badly I can break things. :D
Thanks!

Aaron... fmail tosses JAM and support DB... free and supported and developed as well.

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Hello Nick!

22 Mar 21 16:14, you wrote to Aaron Grasswell:

You will need an external tosser which would then handle all of the tossing, scanning and Netmail operation; leaving the mailer to only
handle Queue items. The internal mail processor becomes disabled.

The tosser of your choice must specifically support D'Bridge or
"Arcmail" dynamic mode.

Do NOT place any outgoing Queue items from that tosser into the
mailer's Queue directory. Create a new outbound directory just for
that tosser.

Fastecho is broken, do not use it.

I'm aware of the hard-coded interzone SEEN-BY stripping and an issue with .PKT forwarding, is there something else that leads you to recommend that it not be used?

Andrew

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Cheers Joe,
I'll check it out as well!

Aaron


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On 22 Mar 21 17:28:42, Andrew Leary said the following to Nick Andre:

Fastecho is broken, do not use it.

I'm aware of the hard-coded interzone SEEN-BY stripping and an issue with . forwarding, is there something else that leads you to recommend that it not used?

It is also abandonware no longer supported by its author. Any further problems discovered with it will likely never be fixed. I really slam it for the
Seen-by problem given the many inter-zone peers connecting here.

As Ib Joe suggests, Fmail is an excellent supported alternative.

Nick

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Hello Nick!

22 Mar 21 19:43, you wrote to me:

It is also abandonware no longer supported by its author. Any further problems discovered with it will likely never be fixed. I really slam
it for the Seen-by problem given the many inter-zone peers connecting here.

This problem with FastEcho inspired me to add an option to mbfido to disable the inter-zone SEEN-BY stripping.

As Ib Joe suggests, Fmail is an excellent supported alternative.

Yes, and HPT would probably work also.

Andrew

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On 22 Mar 21 20:21:46, Andrew Leary said the following to Nick Andre:

This problem with FastEcho inspired me to add an option to mbfido to disabl the inter-zone SEEN-BY stripping.

D'Bridge still has it as an option, but in the next minor release there may
be a specific warning shown if it is enabled for an area.

I really don't see a logical need to have it anymore. INTL kludges were an option at one time as well. I removed that question from the setup-screen quite some time ago and permanently generate INTL as every system is 4D/5D addressing. I'm assuming in 1989 that 3D addressing was common.

As Ib Joe suggests, Fmail is an excellent supported alternative.

Yes, and HPT would probably work also.

Tossers that generate Dynamic/Frontdoor or Arcmail attachments should work.

Nick

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Re: Re: Green eggs, D'Bridge & JAM
By: Nick Andre to Andrew Leary on Tue Mar 23 2021 00:16:12

I'm assuming in 1989 that 3D addressing was common.

yep, both forms of it... and later, when @domain was introduced, both forms of 4D were also used...


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I'm quickly running out of the 200 Hudson areas in RemoteAccess. :)

Just wondering, in today's world of very very large drivse that cost nothing, it's so easy to just use *.MSG ...

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Andrew,

I'm aware of the hard-coded interzone SEEN-BY stripping ...

Just for this reason alone a system using it should not have any out-of-zone links ... it's disaster waiting to happen.

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Hello Ward!

23 Mar 21 17:05, you wrote to me:

I'm aware of the hard-coded interzone SEEN-BY stripping ...

Just for this reason alone a system using it should not have any out-of-zone links ... it's disaster waiting to happen.

Which is why I moved all of my out-of-zone links to my MBSE system, which is configured to NOT strip SEEN-BYs on interzone echomail.

Andrew

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On 23 Mar 2021, Ward Dossche said the following...

I'm quickly running out of the 200 Hudson areas in RemoteAccess. :)

Just wondering, in today's world of very very large drivse that cost nothing, it's so easy to just use *.MSG ...

He's trying to toss in to RA... I didn't know that RA used *.MSG.

If you ask me, and I just did, Nick should add JAM... And WildCat 5's message base for... There maybe someone into WC5 message base tosser/scanner

Nick might be in lock down and need a few things to do.. His daughter might be old enough to learn to code... what an excellent father/daughter thing to do!!!

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Re: Re: Green eggs, D'Bridge & JAM
By: Ward Dossche to Aaron Grasswell on Tue Mar 23 2021 17:02:53

I'm quickly running out of the 200 Hudson areas in
RemoteAccess. :)

Just wondering, in today's world of very very large drivse
that cost nothing, it's so easy to just use *.MSG ...

RA BBS is only HMB (hudson) or JAM... is knows nothing about MSG or any other message base format at all...


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I'm quickly running out of the 200 Hudson areas in RemoteAccess.

:)

Just wondering, in today's world of very very large drivse that cost IJ>WD> nothing, it's so easy to just use *.MSG ...

He's trying to toss in to RA... I didn't know that RA used *.MSG.

How many times has this come up already?

I've never used anything else than *.MSG. even the times when a 20MB HD cost an arm and a leg.

All these fancy message-base formats are nothing else but people comparing penises.

If you ask me, and I just did, Nick should add JAM... And WildCat 5's message base for... There maybe someone into WC5 message base tosser/scanner

I think he "has to" do nothing ... It's all being done in his spare free time ...

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On 23 Mar 21 10:52:40, Ib Joe said the following to Ward Dossche:

If you ask me, and I just did, Nick should add JAM... And WildCat 5's messa base for... There maybe someone into WC5 message base tosser/scanner

Whenever I've looked at adding a new storage format to D'Bridge I'm presented with the following challenges:

- Tossing and scanning and it must be spot-on perfect especially kludges.
- Message creation and editing from the internal editor
- Copying, forwarding, moving messages from the editor
- Purging old messages either by quantity or date

Not impossible but does require a fair amount of programming and testing. Everything has to be perfect otherwise the Fidonet Police write me a fine.

I cannot use any libraries, units or API's, everything must be from scratch.

Nick might be in lock down and need a few things to do.. His daughter migh old enough to learn to code... what an excellent father/daughter thing to d

My daughter has zero interest in any tech stuff I do.

Nick

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I'm quickly running out of the 200 Hudson areas in
RemoteAccess. :)

Just wondering, in today's world of very very large drivse
that cost nothing, it's so easy to just use *.MSG ...

RA BBS is only HMB (hudson) or JAM... is knows nothing about MSG or any other message base format at all...

Do you have relatives in the Netherlands ?

\%/@rd

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Re: Re: Green eggs, D'Bridge & JAM
By: Ward Dossche to mark lewis on Tue Mar 23 2021 23:32:02

I'm quickly running out of the 200 Hudson areas in
RemoteAccess. :)

Just wondering, in today's world of very very large drivse
that cost nothing, it's so easy to just use *.MSG ...

RA BBS is only HMB (hudson) or JAM... is knows nothing about
MSG or any other message base format at all...

Do you have relatives in the Netherlands ?

you know i don't... do you? i mean, you are the one that brought up and pointed to a message base format not supported by the OP's BBS of choice ;)


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On 23 Mar 2021, Nick Andre said the following...

Not impossible but does require a fair amount of programming and
testing. Everything has to be perfect otherwise the Fidonet Police write me a fine.

Sounds like the powers to be @ Facebook...

Anyway, I didn't hear no...

My daughter has zero interest in any tech stuff I do.

As old as I am I have a 10 year old female unit still in the house

IB Joe
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Everything has to be perfect otherwise the Fidonet Police write me a
fine.

I had the Fidonet Police hit me several times. Its not fun.


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On 23 Mar 21 18:52:55, Matt Munson said the following to Nick Andre:

Everything has to be perfect otherwise the Fidonet Police write me a
fine.

I had the Fidonet Police hit me several times. Its not fun.

Wellllllllllll.......... Ward may concur that every time I'm flamed or taken to task over some silly text file called the "nodelist" or lack by some of invite-access to the secret society Z1C echo just reminds me its all fun.

Look at this MSGID/REPLY kludge nonsense - All just to thread messages and if you are missing those kludges in your software you're bad. And bad means impure. Impure means not compliant. Non-compliance is evil. Evil means you
are a fascist world dictator with a bad haircut or mustache... ie. "you suck".

I just love looking at 8008 on my calculator. I can actually work with that.

Nick

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Do you have relatives in the Netherlands ?

you know i don't... do you?

Then why do you persist in explaining to overybody what everybody already knows?

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Everything has to be perfect otherwise the Fidonet Police write me a MM>NA> fine.

I had the Fidonet Police hit me several times. Its not fun.

Is it the Fidonet police or the Nodelist police?

I largely ignore either.

\%/@rd

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Evil means you are a fascist world dictator with a bad haircut or mustache... ie. "you suck".

Well, there are moments when sucking is a wonderful thing.

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Re: Re: Green eggs, D'Bridge & JAM
By: Ward Dossche to mark lewis on Wed Mar 24 2021 11:14:41

Do you have relatives in the Netherlands ?

you know i don't... do you?

Then why do you persist in explaining to overybody what
everybody already knows?

why do you ask irrelevent questions? ;)


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Do you have relatives in the Netherlands ?

you know i don't... do you?

Then why do you persist in explaining to overybody what
everybody already knows?

why do you ask irrelevent questions? ;)

I don't even see a question at the beginning of my interventions re: this matter ... just a statement.

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BY: Nick Andre(1:229/426)

Look at this MSGID/REPLY kludge nonsense - All just to thread messages
and if
you are missing those kludges in your software you're bad. And bad means

are any of them running for the FTSC board?

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On 23 Mar 21 17:58:10, Ib Joe said the following to Nick Andre:

Sounds like the powers to be @ Facebook...

Anyway, I didn't hear no...

I've never ruled out adding other formats, or porting to other OS platforms, or trying lobster or watching Game of Thrones for the first time.

My daughter has zero interest in any tech stuff I do.

As old as I am I have a 10 year old female unit still in the house

At 10 years old I was into the Vic20... heavily. Until I got the Tandy 1000.

Nick

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On 23 Mar 21 06:40:11, Mark Lewis said the following to Nick Andre:

I'm assuming in 1989 that 3D addressing was common.

yep, both forms of it... and later, when @domain was introduced, both forms 4D were also used...

Both forms of 4D? I thought there was only one 4D and domains are 5D.

Nick

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My daughter has zero interest in any tech stuff I do.

At 10 years old I was into the Vic20... heavily. Until I got the Tandy 1000.

My daughter is 8, and we've been having fun with building simple Arduino and Raspberry Pi projects.
They use Scratch (whatever happened to GWBasic, LOGO and Turing?!?) at school so the concepts are not too foreign.

I should dust off my old VIC and let her have a go with it. :)
Press play on tape...

Aaron


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On 26 Mar 21 21:39:00, Aaron Grasswell said the following to Nick Andre:

My daughter is 8, and we've been having fun with building simple Arduino an Raspberry Pi projects.
They use Scratch (whatever happened to GWBasic, LOGO and Turing?!?) at scho so the concepts are not too foreign.

Nobody in my family during my childhood was ever "tech"... nothing, nada.

Had to learn everything about computers and electronics on my own.

I should dust off my old VIC and let her have a go with it. :)
Press play on tape...

There is this fantastic emulator I messed around with, forget the name at the moment. Its the one that actually emulates everything Commodore. Pet, vic, C64, 128.

Nick

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On 24 Mar 21 22:02:44, Matt Munson said the following to Nick Andre:

Look at this MSGID/REPLY kludge nonsense - All just to thread messages
and if
you are missing those kludges in your software you're bad. And bad means

are any of them running for the FTSC board?

The FTSC is a paper-tiger that exists for some to get an ego trip from.

Nick

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Re: Re: Green eggs, D'Bridge & JAM
By: Nick Andre to Mark Lewis on Fri Mar 26 2021 21:30:20

I'm assuming in 1989 that 3D addressing was common.

yep, both forms of it... and later, when @domain was introduced, both forms 4D were also used...

Both forms of 4D? I thought there was only one 4D and domains are 5D.

remember that zones may or may not be used... when not used, one's default zone is assumed...

1D = node number only
2D = net/node
3D = zone:net/node *OR* net/node.point
4D = zone:net/node.point *OR* net/node.point@domain
5D = zone:net/node.point@domain


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Both forms of 4D? I thought there was only one 4D and domains are

5D.

remember that zones may or may not be used... when not used, one's
default zone is assumed...

Your Dutch origins getting the best of you again?

\%/@rd

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At 10 years old I was into the Vic20... heavily. Until I got the Tandy 1000.

The Vic20 was my first computer, too. True story.. I won it in a Mother's Day essay contest back when I was 10 or 11 years old. It sat in my closet for months as at the time I had no interest in computers.

One rainy day I decided to break it out and mess around with it.. The rest is history..

- Mark

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Re: Re: Green eggs, D'Bridge & JAM
By: Mark Hofmann to Nick Andre on Sun Apr 18 2021 07:02 pm

At 10 years old I was into the Vic20... heavily. Until I got the Tandy 1000.

The Vic20 was my first computer, too. True story.. I won it in a Mother's Day essay contest back when I was 10 or 11 years old. It sat in my closet for months as at the time I had no interest in computers.

One rainy day I decided to break it out and mess around with it.. The rest is history..

Same here: first computer, a Vic20. Never had a floppy drive for it - typed in BASIC programs from magazines, such as BYTE, and occassionally tried to save to a tape drive - usually unsuccessfully. But it begat a couple of Apple IIs and a Timex Sinclair which eventually begat a PC-XT clone and well.. you know where that story goes.
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On 18 Apr 21 19:02:19, Mark Hofmann said the following to Nick Andre:

The Vic20 was my first computer, too. True story.. I won it in a Mother's essay contest back when I was 10 or 11 years old. It sat in my closet for months as at the time I had no interest in computers.

One rainy day I decided to break it out and mess around with it.. The rest history..

Other people I knew at the time had the C64, or an Apple 2, or an Amiga... maybe a PC or Tandy. All of them thumbed their noses at the Vic20 as just
a toy but I was sooooo stubbornly loyal to it because it was just fun to make this thing do something with 3k of base memory and a tape drive. Countless hours spent.

When I found out that someone wrote a Doom port; THAT to me is a true loyal grand-master programmer who used that system to create a work of art.

Lots of Demoscene stuff was impressive too... using undocumented interrupts and elaborate calls to the graphics chip.

Nick
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One rainy day I decided to break it out and mess around with it.. The
rest is history..

Too bad it rained that day, cost you a lot of money afterwards.

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