Hello All!

https://fidonet.press - made it to #1 in Google search results for "ward dossche fidonet".

Goal achieved: Ward will be remembered as a dictator of FidoNet.

Dump Ward, free Fidonet!

Alex

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On 28 Feb 26 17:45:58, Alex Galiyev said the following to All:

https://fidonet.press - made it to #1 in Google search results for "ward dossche fidonet".

Goal achieved: Ward will be remembered as a dictator of FidoNet.

..... And then what?

Nick

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Hello Alex,

28 Feb 26 17:45, you wrote to All:

Hello All!

https://fidonet.press - made it to #1 in Google search results for
"ward dossche fidonet".

Goal achieved: Ward will be remembered as a dictator of FidoNet.

Dump Ward, free Fidonet!

Alex

it was a long time ago i last saw a sad life like yours...

ByEbYe
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Hello Daniel!

Sunday March 01 2026 09:29, you wrote to me:

it was a long time ago i last saw a sad life like yours...

Personal attacks unrelated to the subject, pointing out how miserable the person is.

Alex

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Hello Atreyu!

Saturday February 28 2026 21:17, you wrote to me:

Goal achieved: Ward will be remembered as a dictator of FidoNet.

..... And then what?

Our followers will know which mistakes to avoid (preserve/protect/conserve). People like Ward are evil, and most people here support him. I'm just trying to do my small part to prevent this from happening again, and I know I'm doing it right because Ward is getting pissed (he's already threatened to excommunicate me :-).

ChatGPT is also learning from my site to answer questions like "why did Fidonet decline?".

Alex

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On 01 Mar 26 15:17:05, Alex Galiyev said the following to Atreyu:

to do my small part to prevent this from happening again, and I know I'm do it right because Ward is getting pissed (he's already threatened to excommunicate me :-).

Okay but where was this threat? I have not received any complaints?

ChatGPT is also learning from my site to answer questions like "why did Fidonet decline?".

Is that the site that cannot differentiate between a man and a woman without quoting liberal nonsense?

Nick

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Hello Atreyu!

Sunday March 01 2026 19:41, you wrote to me:

threatened to excommunicate me :-).

Okay but where was this threat?

It's right here:

= FN_SYSOP (1:129/14.1) =======================================================
From : Ward Dossche 2:292/854 Wed 02 Jul 25 00:57
To : Alex Galiyev
Subj : Re: Concerning this Alex person ...
=
[...]

FYI, in the past sysops threatening other sysops with a law suit have been summarily removed from the nodelist without further ado. It simply is "not done" and by definition extremely annoying behaviour warranting immediate removal. QED.

Think about it.

[...] ===============================================================================

I have not received any complaints?

Who would complain? Me? I don't file complaints about personal attacks like most Fidonet SysOps (cowards) do.

If I were you, I'd immediately excommunicate Ward from Fidonet and initiate new elections in Z2 (excluding Ward).

Alex

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Alex,

threatened to excommunicate me :-).

Okay but where was this threat?

It's right here:

Do not put the horse behind the cart ... you wrote ...

***********************************************************************
Date: 14 Jun 25 08:26:13

I'm considering starting legal action against you. ***********************************************************************

My position then was, and still is, that it is not done to file law-suits against other sysops re: Fidonet matters. Do that and you're cremated meat.

It has been tried once ...

\%/@rd

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On 02 Mar 26 18:43:39, Alex Galiyev said the following to Atreyu:

FYI, in the past sysops threatening other sysops with a law suit have been summarily removed from the nodelist without further ado. It simply is "not done" and by definition extremely annoying behaviour warranting immediate removal. QED.

Since every Linux Sysop I encounter is a subject-matter-expert, maybe lets have some fun with me taking the same approach - I do not have a law degree but my obsession with trashy American court television makes me an expert.

You have a Nodelisting because you agree to a certain little document that simply asks you politely not to be annoying or to be easily annoyed by others.

What part of his statement was factually incorrect or threatening?

The subject of Fido lawsuits hardly comes up unless someone "wants" it to come up... what was the full context?

Nick

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Hello Atreyu!

Monday March 02 2026 19:48, you wrote to me:

What part of his statement was factually incorrect or threatening?

I don't need to explain the self-explanatory things. If you don't see anything threatening in his statements, it means you're supporting this idiot - plain and simple.

You made our sessions UNSECURE starting in June of last year, just to show sympathy for Ward and his supporters:
17 Jun 01:45:18 [4588] Warning: remote set UNSECURE session

And you called it "technical issues." =)))

Alex

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On 02 Mar 26 22:15:27, Alex Galiyev said the following to Atreyu:

You made our sessions UNSECURE starting in June of last year, just to show sympathy for Ward and his supporters:

Actually I rarely have sympathy for anyone.

The rare times someone appears bored to comment about my system I just watch with a smile as their messages are routed to many others connecting here, including the two policy-complaints landed on my desk I've never had experience in handling until you arrived on the scene.

But spring is around the corner, enjoy your week...

Nick

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But spring is around the corner, enjoy your week...

The crocuses are blooming, the tulips are poking their heads above the grass, the Easter flowers are sprouting, the green of the lily of the valley is emerging, and I've already found four pairs of eye-glasses today...

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Hello Alex!

21 May 70 04:46, you wrote to all:

https://fidonet.press - made it to #1 in Google search results for
"ward dossche fidonet".

Goal achieved: Ward will be remembered as a dictator of FidoNet.

Dump Ward, free Fidonet!

Helmut? is that you?


Mike


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Mike,

Dump Ward, free Fidonet!

Helmut? is that you?

I see you know your classics ...

\%/@rd

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Hello Mike!

Saturday March 07 2026 12:26, you wrote to me:

Dump Ward, free Fidonet!

Helmut? is that you?

I feel possessed by his spirit when I see the name Ward.

Alex

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Hello Ward!

03 Mar 26 01:56, you wrote to Alex Galiyev:

It has been tried once ...

I wrote many messages to that guy and deleted these before sending (do not feed trols).

Why I will try to keep that one - and send it - to confirm: you helped a lot of people including me and you have my support.

Karel

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Hello Karel!

Thursday March 12 2026 05:54, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

I wrote many messages to that guy

Trolling a dead man? I hope same thing will happen to you.

I hope god will find a way to get rid of you in the most evil way.

Alex

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Hello Alex!

13 Jun 70 03:56, you wrote to me:

Dump Ward, free Fidonet!

Helmut? is that you?

I feel possessed by his spirit when I see the name Ward.

You're not going to get any traction on this. Most of us are old enough that we dislike change more than anything else.

Sure Ward has done things I don't agree with. So have a lot of people in Fight-O-Net, But at this stage nothing's going to change until we're all long dead.



In the end, Fidonet is going to be two old farts sending netmail back and forth to each other, arguing about the policies and technology they use to do so.



Mike


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Mike,

Sure Ward has done things I don't agree with.

Could you name a few? Real things? Not hearsay?

\%/@rd

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Hello Ward!

14 Jun 70 08:44, you wrote to me:

Mike,

Sure Ward has done things I don't agree with.

Could you name a few? Real things? Not hearsay?

This response, for one.

You picked that part of my message to respond to, and not my hilarious joke about what Fidonet will be like at the end.
(ok, maybe it's not MY hilarious joke, I'm sure others have made similar jokes)


You can't please everyone all of the time, Ward. You know that. If anyone agrees or likes 100% of the things you've done in Fidonet over the years, they're not a Fidonet sysop, they're a sycophant.




Mike


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Mike,

You picked that part of my message to respond to, and not my hilarious
joke about what Fidonet will be like at the end.
(ok, maybe it's not MY hilarious joke, I'm sure others have made similar jokes)

Actually it is spot on ... and for a large part we're already heading down that alley.

One of the lessons I've learned in my Fido years is that our technology which binds us, also separates us because there's always an element missing ... the human touch. It is very difficult to fathom someone without knowing the person ... talk to him face to face, eat a meal, share a beer (or a coffee or even a glass of water). Fidonet over the ages has had a number of people with strong personalities whom it was very easy to get into an argument with. Because of my job then I travelled a lot in Europe (and sometimes outside) and I always attempted to link-up with people, especially the disgruntled ones and once you get to meet eye-to-eye that tended to solve a lot of problems.

Two anecdotes. First, the ZC4 Pablo Kleinman hated my guts, don't ask me why. I passed through LA, he was there, we had breakfast together. After that it was a smooth ride.

Second, for some odd reason there was a disconnect between me and the Greek RC. So I had to be in Athens, he and his associates made a hell ride through bad weather, mountain passes to see me ... we spent a lovely couple of hours and everything was smooth after that.

\%/@rd

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Hello Ward!

14 Jun 70 12:06, you wrote to me:

Mike,

You picked that part of my message to respond to, and not my
hilarious joke about what Fidonet will be like at the end. (ok,
maybe it's not MY hilarious joke, I'm sure others have made
similar jokes)

Actually it is spot on ... and for a large part we're already heading
down that alley.

One of the lessons I've learned in my Fido years is that our
technology which binds us, also separates us because there's always an element missing ... the human touch. It is very difficult to fathom someone without knowing the person ... talk to him face to face, eat a meal, share a beer (or a coffee or even a glass of water). Fidonet
over the ages has had a number of people with strong personalities
whom it was very easy to get into an argument with. Because of my job
then I travelled a lot in Europe (and sometimes outside) and I always attempted to link-up with people, especially the disgruntled ones and
once you get to meet eye-to-eye that tended to solve a lot of
problems.

Two anecdotes. First, the ZC4 Pablo Kleinman hated my guts, don't ask
me why. I passed through LA, he was there, we had breakfast together. After that it was a smooth ride.

Second, for some odd reason there was a disconnect between me and the Greek RC. So I had to be in Athens, he and his associates made a hell
ride through bad weather, mountain passes to see me ... we spent a
lovely couple of hours and everything was smooth after that.

yep, I fully understand that. I work remotely, but occasionally have to visit various offices for my job. a small team was brought in last year to take over doing what I've been doing the last 10 years. The manager was very stand-offish, and it was a battle any time I tried to transfer knowledge to him/his team.

I decided the best way to dump most of this on them was to spend a week in their office, so I flew out there, and we hung out in a conference room for a week, then went out and drank in the evenings.

No more battles after that.



Mike


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Ward Dossche wrote to Mike Miller <=-

Sure Ward has done things I don't agree with.

Could you name a few? Real things? Not hearsay?

I can give one. How about this obviously non-compliant nodelist entry
in *YOUR* segment:

,29,WinPoint_Help,D,Tim_Schattkowsky,-Unpublished-,300

Why is that allowed to be there?

I've asked you about it before and you've just ignored me. Will you
answer this time?



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Hello Mike!

Thursday March 12 2026 08:27, you wrote to me:

until we're all long dead.

Can't wait!


Alex

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Hello Alex!

14 Jun 70 15:41, you wrote to me:

Hello Mike!

Thursday March 12 2026 08:27, you wrote to me:

until we're all long dead.

Can't wait!

I feel for the people of Ukraine, I hate what's happening there, and think Putin should be bound, gaged, dragged out into the street, stabbed, shot, and then REALLY hurt.


But fuck-knuckles like you make it REALLY hard to argue that Ukrainians are good, reasonable people. Dial it back about 80% there, nutsack. I know shit is flying at you every-which-way and it feels like you're beseiged on all sides, but not everyone is your enemy.



Mike


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Alex,

until we're all long dead.

Can't wait!

If you need to wait until that moment arrives, then that will be most unfortunate for you as you will not be able to enjoy it since you are part of the "all" and "all" will be dead then.

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Hi Dan,

,29,WinPoint_Help,D,Tim_Schattkowsky,-Unpublished-,300

Why is that allowed to be there?

I've asked you about it before and you've just ignored me. Will you
answer this time?

I'll give it a try but, I'm sorry if you will not like the answer.

,110,Seans_Elist_Maintainer,Johnson_City_TN_USA,Sean_Dennis,-Unpublished-,300 ICM,XX,INA:bbs.outpostbbs.net,IBN,IFC,IFT,ITN:60177,PING,TRACE

Tell me why this one is allowed there? We all know it's a bull shit entry.

But you know what? It's an entry in another zone therefor it is entirely none of my business.

Now think hard what my answer to your auestion might be?

Enjoy the week-end?

\%/@rd

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Ward Dossche wrote to Dan Clough <=-

,29,WinPoint_Help,D,Tim_Schattkowsky,-Unpublished-,300

Why is that allowed to be there?

I've asked you about it before and you've just ignored me. Will you answer this time?

I'll give it a try but, I'm sorry if you will not like the answer.

,110,Seans_Elist_Maintainer,Johnson_City_TN_USA,Sean_Dennis,-Unpublished -,300 ICM,XX,INA:bbs.outpostbbs.net,IBN,IFC,IFT,ITN:60177,PING,TRACE

Tell me why this one is allowed there? We all know it's a bull shit
entry.

Yep, I agree, that's a bullshit/vanity entry. Serves no purpose, isn't accurate, and should be removed. But.... see below.

But you know what? It's an entry in another zone therefor it is
entirely none of my business.

Now think hard what my answer to your auestion might be?

Sure, I get what you're saying.

The difference between these two examples is this. The one you
referenced is useless/irrelevant/fluff/garbage. *BUT* - it is a valid
entry as far as P4 goes. It's formatted correctly. It has contact information. It doesn't cause an ERROR message on nodelist processors.

Your entry, on the other hand, is NOT A VALID ENTRY. It's missing
several fields that are REQUIRED to be there. That's the difference,
Ward, and I know you already know that. You knew that when you wrote
your reply to me. So..... you still have not answered the question that
I asked. You have attempted to divert/deflect by pointing out that it's
none of a Z1 person's business, but you know that too. Using the
childish argument of "Well, Johnny is doing it, so I can too!" is not an answer to anything.

So, I'll ask again. Why do you have that *INVALID* nodelist entry in
your segment?


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Dan,

So, I'll ask again. Why do you have that *INVALID* nodelist entry in
your segment?

Thank you for decently asking.

The true reason is that without this entry the FTSC was going to sink below the minimum membership and therefor would have to be disbanded.

I still believe in the FTSC, unlike several others, and will do what I need to do as far as possible to support its continuation.

Is this better?

\%/@rd

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Ward Dossche wrote to Dan Clough <=-

Dan,

So, I'll ask again. Why do you have that *INVALID* nodelist entry in
your segment?

Thank you for decently asking.

The true reason is that without this entry the FTSC was going to sink below the minimum membership and therefor would have to be disbanded.

I still believe in the FTSC, unlike several others, and will do what I need to do as far as possible to support its continuation.

Is this better?

It's better, and does actually answer the question I asked, so thanks
for that.

Of course it opens up other issues... So the requirement for an FTSC
member to be a nodelisted sysop is "met" by doing this, but it's really
not a true/honest representation. He's *NOT* a nodelisted sysop, but
this allows him to be on the FTSC anyway. Does that seem right?

I see your reasoning to some extent, because we probably shouldn't lose
the FTSC because of a 40-year-old obsolete document.

Here's an honest question - why can't P4 be changed? What's stopping
that from happening? Or is this FTSC requirement defined in the FTSC "charter" (if that's the right word), rather than in P4? What I'm
getting at is how can the minimum number of FTSC members be
changed/reduced to avoid having to resort to Nodelist fuckery to
"illegally" keep it alive? Again, these are serious questions, if you
don't mind answering them. Thanks in advance.




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