Hello Nick,

But the nodelist is just a text file that lists connectivity information.

You really think so?
There is much dead wood in it, that should be cleared up I think.

I donot think, Hold, Down or PVT, is connection info.

Henri.

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On 15 Jun 19 03:09:00, Henri Derksen said the following to Nick Andre:

But the nodelist is just a text file that lists connectivity information.

You really think so?

What else should it be used for?

Nick

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On 16/06/2019 12:08, Nick Andre -> Henri Derksen wrote:

But the nodelist is just a text file that lists connectivity information.

You really think so?

What else should it be used for?

Compensation perhaps?

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Hello Nick,

But the nodelist is just a text file that lists connectivity information. HD>> You really think so?

What else should it be used for?

You do not get my point.

There is too much inconnectivity in the NodeList.
You can call that garbage.

And you think this IS/HAS connect info:

NodeList> Pvt,1466,Owls_Anchor,Columbia_MD,Dale_Shipp,-Unpublished-,9600,XX,MO

Sorry, but such systems are only acting as a point.
Not a crash Net reachable Node by others, no phonenumber, no IP information, wrong baudrate, no BBS as the MO flag is listed,
and no FileRequests, as shown by the XX flag are also not possible (anymore). So it does not proof any form of connectivity, not a single one ;-(.
At least the 9600 should be 300, and the XX removed.

The same goes on for many other nodes with Pvt, Hold, Down, etc.
Some are even there unreachable for many years as Kees van Eeten has prooven. I.e. HostNames not converting to IP numbers, bad DNServers etc.
so there is incomplete not working connect info.
Al that kind of systems are the dead wood garbage in the NodeList.
2% of faults is normal, 5 % max, but if more, then somthing is terribly wrong. Many *C's are not doing their job's, so the upper level should correct it,
and in the end that are the ZC's, does not matter which Zone.
The garbage is everywhere.

Second, the NodeList is also a BBSlist for manual modem callers to log in,
many people forget that. FidoNet was originally a net of connected BBSes,
from witch EchoMail was an important flavor to reduce calling all systems.

At InterNet there are Forum's, but they are mostly not connected to more hosts. So everyone has to enter an acoount and start his question again
on other forums with the same topic ;-(.
That's a waste the InertNet people did not learn from FidoNet ;-(.
They should start connecting Forums wih the same topic together.
Another disadvanteage of Forums is that replies on old messages are made impossable ;-(.

Henri.

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On 06-19-19 00:01, Henri Derksen <=-
spoke to Nick Andre about Ten Years Ago. <=-

And you think this IS/HAS connect info:

NodeList> Pvt,1466,Owls_Anchor,Columbia_MD,Dale_Shipp,-Unpublished-,9600,XX,MO

Not sure why you picked me out of the crowd of PVT nodes that exist:-}}

Sorry, but such systems are only acting as a point.

Nope.

Not a crash Net reachable Node by others, no phonenumber, no IP information, wrong baudrate, no BBS as the MO flag is listed,
and no FileRequests, as shown by the XX flag are also not possible (anymore). So it does not proof any form of connectivity, not a single
one ;-(. At least the 9600 should be 300, and the XX removed.

The entry is what my NC made when he assigned me a node many years ago.
Reading the nodelist today, I can see that you are right about the 300
versus 9600 ( which was the baud rate of my modem when I had one). I understand your point about the XX, I seem to recall that it simply
indicated the type of mailer I had which has been IM and then Argus.
BUT, I do operate a BBS with users even though I do not accept incoming connects -- and never have done so.

I'll send a netmail to my NC and mention that the XX should be removed
and baud rate changed to 300.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
(1:261/1466)



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Henri,

Many *C's are not doing their job's, so the upper level should correct
it, and in the end that are the ZC's, does not matter which Zone.
The garbage is everywhere.

I have a sign lying around somewhere "I will not critisize my neighbor until I have walked a mile in his moccasins".

Your theoretical musings show very little understanding how things are made to work. 3 out of 4 ZCs 'are' doing a good job!

We know about particular anomalies in the nodelist but in certain locations you
just have to make do with who-ever is still left there ... up to the RC-level in certain cases. There may not be any viable people anymore in certain cases when a particular *C skips a beat.

And Dale has been a respected contributor for years, I'd like more people like him in the nodelist.

\%/@rd

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And Dale has been a respected contributor for years, I'd like more
people like him in the nodelist.

So "Nodelisted Sysop" should be used as an honorary title, and the nodelist should not be used for contact info then?



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And Dale has been a respected contributor for years, I'd like more BF>WD> people like him in the nodelist.

So "Nodelisted Sysop" should be used as an honorary title, and the
nodelist should not be used for contact info then?

Something like that other honorary title "Fidonews Editor" you mean ?

\%/@rd

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On 19 Jun 19 00:01:00, Henri Derksen said the following to Nick Andre:

Many *C's are not doing their job's, so the upper level should correct it, and in the end that are the ZC's, does not matter which Zone.
The garbage is everywhere.

The last time I checked, my system is producing the Zone 1 Nodelist like clockwork. And the last time I checked, I am not being paid a salary to do so.

If my answers are not satisfactory and cause you emotional distress,
or you are not prepared to pay me a salary to have better "quality of
service" for your Fido needs, perhaps you should consider a different hobby such as a book club, sewing, knitting, collecting pictures of cakes, etc.

Nick

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Hello Dale,

On Thursday June 20 2019 02:34, you wrote to Henri Derksen:

I understand your point about the XX, I seem to recall that it simply indicated the type of mailer I had which has been IM and then Argus.

The XX indicates that you support Wazoo type file requests and file update requests. File requests can not be routed and you do not accept direct calls...

fts-5001 par 5.4

BUT, I do operate a BBS with users

So you say. But three days ago you wrote:

I don't run a server.

A BBS is a server. So what is it?

even though I do not accept incoming connects -- and never have done
so.

What is the point of running a BBS if you do not accept incoming calls? Why do I (again) get the impression that you are not telling the full story?

I'll send a netmail to my NC and mention that the XX should be removed
and baud rate changed to 300.

The MO flag makes no sense either if you do run a BBS but accept no incoming calls.

Cheers, Michiel

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On 2019 Jun 20 16:55:06, you wrote to Dale Shipp:

BUT, I do operate a BBS with users

So you say. But three days ago you wrote:

I don't run a server.

A BBS is a server. So what is it?

he runs a BBS that is not connected to the net... he doesn't/didn't think of a BBS as being a server...

even though I do not accept incoming connects -- and never have done
so.

What is the point of running a BBS if you do not accept incoming calls?

Why

do I (again) get the impression that you are not telling the full story?

QWK offline mail bundles transferred via email to each user... to get an account, you send him the particulars needed and he sets it up... then you do QWK mail from there adding/removing areas, reading/writing messages, etc all using email transfers... you get a blahblah.qwk in your email, save it to disk,
fire you your QWK reader... any replies are put into a blahblah.rep bundle which you then email back where it is processed by and imported into the BBS message areas... from there, normal FTN ops take over and he polls his link(s) to send/receive FTN mail...

)\/(ark

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Something like that other honorary title "Fidonews Editor" you mean ?

Nothing much of an honour there, it's just an alias.



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On 20 Jun 19 23:36:13, Bj*Rn Felten said the following to Ward Dossche:

Something like that other honorary title "Fidonews Editor" you mean ?

Nothing much of an honour there, it's just an alias.

I have the title of "slappy", and there is some honour in that.

Nick

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On 06-20-19 16:55, Michiel Van Der Vlist <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Ten Years Ago. <=-

I understand your point about the XX, I seem to recall that it simply indicated the type of mailer I had which has been IM and then Argus.

MVDV> The XX indicates that you support Wazoo type file requests
MVDV> and file update requests. File requests can not be routed
MVDV> and you do not accept direct calls...

Granted. The XX was put on there by my NC when he assigned me a node.

BUT, I do operate a BBS with users

MVDV> So you say. But three days ago you wrote:

I don't run a server.

MVDV> A BBS is a server. So what is it?

Both.

even though I do not accept incoming connects -- and never have done
so.

MVDV> What is the point of running a BBS if you do not accept
MVDV> incoming calls? Why do I (again) get the impression that
MVDV> you are not telling the full story?

I run a BBS for myself and for my users (plural). They do not connect
with my BBS directly. They connect with my BBS via sending an email
message which then spawns a process to sign into the BBS *locally*.
Another process is spawned via a cron type event at specified times
during the day to send them messages via an email. This is how they
receive echo messages and submit replies.

I'll send a netmail to my NC and mention that the XX should be removed
and baud rate changed to 300.

MVDV> The MO flag makes no sense either if you do run a BBS but
MVDV> accept no incoming calls.

Your statement makes no sense. MO explicitly says that my node does not
accept human callers. And it does not.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
(1:261/1466)



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Hello Nick,

Many *C's are not doing their job's, so the upper level should correct HD>> it, and in the end that are the ZC's, does not matter which Zone.
The garbage is everywhere.

The last time I checked, my system is producing the Zone 1 Nodelist like clockwork.

Sorry, but producing garbage like clockwork does not count.

And the last time I checked, I am not being paid a salary to do so.

That does not count either.
You wanted to do volunteer work, so paymant does not matter.
If you can not handle critics, something is wrong in your head.

Systems without connect info should not be listed in a phone book,
the same as secret phonenumbers are not listed by the phone company.
The NodeList is for connecting info, not for heroes of the past.

Henri.

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Hello Dale,

And you think this IS/HAS connect info:

NodeList>
Pvt,1466,Owls_Anchor,Columbia_MD,Dale_Shipp,-Unpublished-,9600,XX,MO

Not sure why you picked me out of the crowd of PVT nodes that exist:-}}

It was because someone wrote you had a BBS,
so I rememberd your name and looked it up.

Sorry, but such systems are only acting as a point.

Nope.

Why no connect info then?,
not even your IP or E-Mail adress.

Not a crash Net reachable Node by others, no phonenumber, no IP
information, wrong baudrate, no BBS as the MO flag is listed,
and no FileRequests, as shown by the XX flag are also not possible
(anymore). So it does not proof any form of connectivity, not a single HD>> one ;-(. At least the 9600 should be 300, and the XX removed.

The entry is what my NC made when he assigned me a node many years ago.

That's the case for many systems, but onfortunately not updated tot the latest situation.

Reading the nodelist today, I can see that you are right about the 300 versus 9600 ( which was the baud rate of my modem when I had one).

That was the least mistake.

I understand your point about the XX, I seem to recall that it simply indicated the type of mailer I had which has been IM and then Argus.

Yes, but it was not updated for a long time, that's the point.

BUT, I do operate a BBS with users even though I do not accept incoming connects -- and never have done so.

Why not make the connect info public?

I'll send a netmail to my NC and mention that the XX should be removed
and baud rate changed to 300.

Thanks for your kind answers,
I hope more sysops and *C's will update their NodeList info.
It's a much better attitude then what I received from Ward and Nick.

Henri.

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On 2019 Jun 25 10:39:00, you wrote to Nick Andre:

Many *C's are not doing their job's, so the upper level should
correct it, and in the end that are the ZC's, does not matter which
Zone. The garbage is everywhere.

The last time I checked, my system is producing the Zone 1 Nodelist
like clockwork.

Sorry, but producing garbage like clockwork does not count.

look in the mirror much? your post is as much garbage as his generated nodelists ;)

And the last time I checked, I am not being paid a salary to do so.

That does not count either. You wanted to do volunteer work, so
paymant does not matter. If you can not handle critics, something is
wrong in your head.

ever hear the term "go pound salt"?

Systems without connect info should not be listed in a phone book,
the same as secret phonenumbers are not listed by the phone company.
The NodeList is for connecting info, not for heroes of the past.

why are you being a dick, henri? don't be a dick... they're ugly and always getting people into trouble...

go sail your boat and tend to business in your net and zone, eh?

)\/(ark

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On 2019 Jun 25 10:37:00, you wrote to Dale Shipp:

Pvt,1466,Owls_Anchor,Columbia_MD,Dale_Shipp,-Unpublished-,9600,XX,MO

Not sure why you picked me out of the crowd of PVT nodes that exist:-}}

It was because someone wrote you had a BBS,
so I rememberd your name and looked it up.

and your problem is what, exactly?

Sorry, but such systems are only acting as a point.

Nope.

Why no connect info then?,
not even your IP or E-Mail adress.

you never heard of a private BBS? are you trying to tell dale how to run his system? can we all start telling you how to run your system??

The entry is what my NC made when he assigned me a node many years ago.

That's the case for many systems, but onfortunately not updated tot the latest situation.

there's nothing wrong with the entry, henri...

Reading the nodelist today, I can see that you are right about the
300 versus 9600 ( which was the baud rate of my modem when I had
one).

That was the least mistake.

where's that mirror, henri?

I understand your point about the XX, I seem to recall that it simply
indicated the type of mailer I had which has been IM and then Argus.

Yes, but it was not updated for a long time, that's the point.

when was your's last updated, henri?

BUT, I do operate a BBS with users even though I do not accept
incoming connects -- and never have done so.

Why not make the connect info public?

because he doesn't want to... that's pretty plain and easy to understand, isn't
it...

I'll send a netmail to my NC and mention that the XX should be
removed and baud rate changed to 300.

Thanks for your kind answers, I hope more sysops and *C's will update their NodeList info. It's a much better attitude then what I received
from Ward and Nick.

if you stick your dick in a bear trap, don't you expect that trap to snap shut on it? tend your business, man... or go sailing again ;)

)\/(ark

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Henri Derksen wrote to Dale Shipp <=-

I'll send a netmail to my NC and mention that the XX should be removed
and baud rate changed to 300.

Thanks for your kind answers,
I hope more sysops and *C's will update their NodeList info.

I agree that there are plenty of changes which could/should be
made.

It's a much better attitude then what I received from Ward and
Nick.

Well, I see that you're not a *C of any kind. Can we assume that
you'll be running for a position at the next election(s)?


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mark lewis wrote to Henri Derksen <=-

That does not count either. You wanted to do volunteer work, so
paymant does not matter. If you can not handle critics, something is
wrong in your head.

ever hear the term "go pound salt"?

I love that saying! Note to self - use it more often. Would make
an excellent New Year's Resolution.

Systems without connect info should not be listed in a phone book,
the same as secret phonenumbers are not listed by the phone company.
The NodeList is for connecting info, not for heroes of the past.

why are you being a dick, henri? don't be a dick... they're ugly
and always getting people into trouble...

Very true all around.

go sail your boat and tend to business in your net and zone, eh?

Great suggestion! Isn't it funny how the Euro-boys, who claim to
hate everything/anything about the USA, sure like to get involved
in how we do things? Haven't been able to figure out why yet...
:-)


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Isn't it funny how the Euro-boys, who claim to
hate everything/anything about the USA, sure like to get involved
in how we do things? Haven't been able to figure out why yet...

How could you, being a Fidonet n00b like yourself?



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On 2019 Jun 25 19:32:00, you wrote to me:

ever hear the term "go pound salt"?

I love that saying! Note to self - use it more often. Would make
an excellent New Year's Resolution.

it used to be quite popular in fidonet back in the day ;)

[trim]

go sail your boat and tend to business in your net and zone, eh?

Great suggestion! Isn't it funny how the Euro-boys, who claim to hate everything/anything about the USA, sure like to get involved in how we
do things? Haven't been able to figure out why yet... :-)

well, admittedly, back in the day, there were quite a few Z1 folks that stuck their noses into other zone's business on a fairly regular basis... in some ways, karma is returning... unfortunately it is being cast upon folks who weren't involved or even around back then... things are a whole lot calmer these days than they were...

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On 26/06/2019 11:10, 2:203/2 wrote:

Isn't it funny how the Euro-boys, who claim to
hate everything/anything about the USA, sure like to get involved
in how we do things? Haven't been able to figure out why yet...

How could you, being a Fidonet n00b like yourself?

And that the "Euro-boys" make up the vast majority of nodes they could win any vote put to the popular vote. Maybe us "smaller" zones (Z1,3 and so on) should shut up...


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mark lewis wrote to Dan Clough <=-

ever hear the term "go pound salt"?

I love that saying! Note to self - use it more often. Would make
an excellent New Year's Resolution.

it used to be quite popular in fidonet back in the day ;)

I'm gonna try to re-kindle it's popularity! In the name of Retro!
;)

Great suggestion! Isn't it funny how the Euro-boys, who claim to hate everything/anything about the USA, sure like to get involved in how we
do things? Haven't been able to figure out why yet... :-)

well, admittedly, back in the day, there were quite a few Z1
folks that stuck their noses into other zone's business on a
fairly regular basis... in some ways, karma is returning...
unfortunately it is being cast upon folks who weren't involved or
even around back then... things are a whole lot calmer these days
than they were...

ACK. I know, and was just poking a little fun. At least one of
them (Euro-boys) seems to have gotten a little butt-hurt. <SHRUG>


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Bj”rn Felten wrote to Dan Clough <=-

Isn't it funny how the Euro-boys, who claim to
hate everything/anything about the USA, sure like to get involved
in how we do things? Haven't been able to figure out why yet...

How could you, being a Fidonet n00b like yourself?

My last sentence there was sarcasm, old-timer. Right over your
head. I know *EXACTLY* why you Euro-boys are all up in the USA's
business.

FYI, I'm not a complete n00b, was in Fidonet for several years
back in the 90's. You can look it up if you want to verify.

Lastly..... Go pound salt!


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On 06-25-19 10:37, Henri Derksen <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Ten Years Ago. <=-

Not sure why you picked me out of the crowd of PVT nodes that exist:-}}

It was because someone wrote you had a BBS,

That I do.

so I rememberd your name and looked it up.

Why no connect info then?,
not even your IP or E-Mail adress.

I am PVT with decent cause, as accepted by the various *Cs who have
issued the node and/or reviewed it.

BUT, I do operate a BBS with users even though I do not accept incoming connects -- and never have done so.

Why not make the connect info public?

For private reasons that I will discuss only with those in the chain of command, so to speak.

I'll send a netmail to my NC and mention that the XX should be removed
and baud rate changed to 300.

Thanks for your kind answers,

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
(1:261/1466)


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On 2019 Jun 26 11:57:36, you wrote to Bj”rn Felten:

Isn't it funny how the Euro-boys, who claim to hate
everything/anything about the USA, sure like to get involved in how
we do things? Haven't been able to figure out why yet...

How could you, being a Fidonet n00b like yourself?

And that the "Euro-boys" make up the vast majority of nodes

i don't see any of the members of the largest region in here sticking their noses into other regions or zones business... i do see them doing their own thing, though...

they could win any vote put to the popular vote.

that one region would certainly win if percentages were used instead of raw count numbers... in fact there was a *C that tried to use that region to stack the deck in their favor at one time but we won't go down that rabbit hole today...

Maybe us "smaller" zones (Z1,3 and so on) should shut up...

some Z2 regions also fall into there, too...

)\/(ark

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On 2019 Jun 25 21:49:00, you wrote to me:

well, admittedly, back in the day, there were quite a few Z1 folks
that stuck their noses into other zone's business on a fairly regular
basis... in some ways, karma is returning... unfortunately it is
being cast upon folks who weren't involved or even around back
then... things are a whole lot calmer these days than they were...

ACK. I know, and was just poking a little fun. At least one of them (Euro-boys) seems to have gotten a little butt-hurt. <SHRUG>

assuming you are the dan clough listed the nodelist for Illinois back in '93, yeah, you could easily be aware of the mess that was going in the main sysops echos on back then ;)

there are many from that period that aren't aware of the stuff that went on... they just didn't venture into those areas... for the most part they stayed in the areas they were interested in and maybe their net's areas... i've met a few
who knew of some rumblings here and there but didn't know the details...

)\/(ark

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On 25 Jun 19 10:39:00, Henri Derksen said the following to Nick Andre:

If you can not handle critics, something is wrong in your head.

What critics??? You? Wilfred? Michiel? Lee who is on "probation status"?

Hahahahahahahahaha...... I love how all of you clowns get so emotionally disturbed and upset over trivial nodelist shit, in a silly message network
only a tiny fraction of world cares to use anymore.

The NodeList is for connecting info, not for heroes of the past.

It must be fun sailing with Captain Obvious!

Nick

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mark lewis wrote to Dan Clough <=-

well, admittedly, back in the day, there were quite a few Z1 folks
that stuck their noses into other zone's business on a fairly regular
basis... in some ways, karma is returning... unfortunately it is
being cast upon folks who weren't involved or even around back
then... things are a whole lot calmer these days than they were...

ACK. I know, and was just poking a little fun. At least one of them (Euro-boys) seems to have gotten a little butt-hurt. <SHRUG>

assuming you are the dan clough listed the nodelist for Illinois
back in '93, yeah, you could easily be aware of the mess that was
going in the main sysops echos on back then ;)

Yep, that's me. I was somewhat aware, but too busy to care. ;)

there are many from that period that aren't aware of the stuff
that went on... they just didn't venture into those areas... for
the most part they stayed in the areas they were interested in
and maybe their net's areas... i've met a few who knew of some
rumblings here and there but didn't know the details...

Yeah, I was probably somewhere in the middle of that scale.
Followed a lot of echos and had limited time between job and
family raising. I was aware of the "zone wars" somewhat but
Fidonet was so big back then that it didn't really seem like "that
stuff" mattered too much to me (individual sysops). Plus we had
plenty of squabbles within the local net over cost recovery plans
and the like. Also it seemed like it took a lot more time/effort
to keep the mailer/bbs running smoothly. Always a tweak to make
in the master batch file and all the various individual configs
for all the added utilities that were in use. Good times.


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Hello Bj”rn,

Isn't it funny how the Euro-boys, who claim to
hate everything/anything about the USA, sure like to get involved
in how we do things? Haven't been able to figure out why yet...

How could you, being a Fidonet n00b like yourself?

Once a n00b always a n00b.

--Lee

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Hello Dan,

[..]

That does not count either. You wanted to do volunteer work, so
paymant does not matter. If you can not handle critics, something is
wrong in your head.

ever hear the term "go pound salt"?

I love that saying! Note to self - use it more often. Would make
an excellent New Year's Resolution.

We have plenty of salt in Louisiana. But sometimes the salt
domes collapse when poked by an oil company drilling for oil.
A few years ago, such an event emptied an entire lake, with
two fishermen getting stuck on the bottom of the lake after
the water ran out.

Systems without connect info should not be listed in a phone book,
the same as secret phonenumbers are not listed by the phone company.
The NodeList is for connecting info, not for heroes of the past.

why are you being a dick, henri? don't be a dick... they're ugly
and always getting people into trouble...

Very true all around.

Women love my dick. They call it the most "beautiful thing in the
world" - knowing I aim to please.

go sail your boat and tend to business in your net and zone, eh?

Great suggestion!

FidoNet is a community of sysops (and others) from around the world,
not separate individuals each on his/her own island having nothing to
share with others.

Isn't it funny how the Euro-boys, who claim to hate everything/anything about the USA, sure like to get involved
in how we do things?

How the USA does things affects many peoples around the world.
Not always in a good way.

Haven't been able to figure out why yet... :-)

Your president is like an old woman - he is a whiner, a miser,
and a nag. He really does have a lot of growing up to do if he
expects anybody to take him seriously.

--Lee

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Hello mark,

[..]

if you stick your dick in a bear trap, don't you expect that trap to snap shut on it?

I must say I never tried that before. What was it like?
Did the bear die of laughter after the inevitable happened?

tend your business, man... or go sailing again ;)

I have a pirogue. And a paddle. Does that count?

--Lee

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On 25 Jun 19 22:06:00, Dan Clough said the following to Bj*Rn Felten:

Isn't it funny how the Euro-boys, who claim to
hate everything/anything about the USA, sure like to get involved
in how we do things? Haven't been able to figure out why yet...

How could you, being a Fidonet n00b like yourself?

My last sentence there was sarcasm, old-timer. Right over your
head. I know *EXACTLY* why you Euro-boys are all up in the USA's business.

Certain Zone 1 Sysops such as my ZC1 predecessor and key members of the NAB distribution model, at one time have been "all up" in other zone's
business. Honestly I believe that is the real reason for some of the anti-USA rants that end up getting started here.

Now that those certain individuals are gone, dead or largely ignored, there is a relative amount of calm after the storm.

"My country is better than yours" type of conversations usually end up going into pointless insults. Comparisons to Hitler, Trump sucks, Europe sucks, you suck, yes but you suck more, I know you are but what am I, type of nonsense.

Nobody wins in the end... just my two cents.

Nick

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On 26 Jun 19 23:50:59, Lee Lofaso said the following to Dan Clough:

Very true all around.

Women love my dick. They call it the most "beautiful thing in the
world" - knowing I aim to please.

Microscopic things are often cute...

Nick

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Nick Andre wrote to Dan Clough <=-

DC> Isn't it funny how the Euro-boys, who claim to
DC> hate everything/anything about the USA, sure like to get involved
DC> in how we do things? Haven't been able to figure out why yet...

BF> How could you, being a Fidonet n00b like yourself?

My last sentence there was sarcasm, old-timer. Right over your
head. I know *EXACTLY* why you Euro-boys are all up in the USA's business.

Certain Zone 1 Sysops such as my ZC1 predecessor and key members
of the NAB distribution model, at one time have been "all up" in
other zone's business. Honestly I believe that is the real reason
for some of the anti-USA rants that end up getting started here.

Yes, I agree, and that is what I was referring to there above.

Now that those certain individuals are gone, dead or largely
ignored, there is a relative amount of calm after the storm.

"My country is better than yours" type of conversations usually
end up going into pointless insults. Comparisons to Hitler, Trump
sucks, Europe sucks, you suck, yes but you suck more, I know you
are but what am I, type of nonsense.

Agreed again.

Nobody wins in the end... just my two cents.

Absolutely right. I ignore most of the stupidity, but sometimes
can't resist poking them a little. Several are on my "ignore"
list already.


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On 26 Jun 19 19:29:00, Dan Clough said the following to Nick Andre:

Nobody wins in the end... just my two cents.

Absolutely right. I ignore most of the stupidity, but sometimes
can't resist poking them a little. Several are on my "ignore"
list already.

Never underestimate the power of the Next key...

Nick

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[..]

Now that those certain individuals are gone, dead or largely
ignored, there is a relative amount of calm after the storm.

"My country is better than yours" type of conversations usually
end up going into pointless insults. Comparisons to Hitler, Trump
sucks, Europe sucks, you suck, yes but you suck more, I know you
are but what am I, type of nonsense.

Agreed again.

Nobody wins in the end... just my two cents.

Absolutely right. I ignore most of the stupidity, but sometimes
can't resist poking them a little. Several are on my "ignore"
list already.

And the winner is ...

My Dog's Bigger Than Yours
~ Tom Paxton

My dog's bigger than your dog,
My dog's bigger than yours,
My dog's bigger
And he chases mailmen,
My dog's bigger than yours.

My dog's better than your dog,
My dog's better than yours,
His name is King,
And he had puppies,
My dog's better than yours.

My dad's tougher than your dad,
My dad's tougher than yours,
My dad's tougher
And he yells louder and
My dad's tougher than yours.

My dad's louder than your dad,
My dad's louder than yours,
Momma buys a new dress,
Daddy makes noises,
My dad's louder than yours.

Our car's faster than your car,
Our car's faster than yours,
It has a louder horn,
It bumps other cars,
Our car's faster than yours.

Our car's older than your car,
Our car's older than yours,
It stops running and
Daddy kicks the fenders,
Our car's older than yours.

My Mom's older than your Mom,
My Mom's older than yours,
She takes smelly baths
She hides the gray hairs
My Mom's older than yours.

My Mom's funnier than your Mom,
My Mom's funnier than yours,
Her hair is pretty and
It changes colors,
My Mom's funnier than yours.

--Mutt Lee

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Hello Nick,

Very true all around.

Women love my dick. They call it the most "beautiful thing in the
world" - knowing I aim to please.

Microscopic things are often cute...

Sorry my dick isn't big enough to make you happy.

--Lee

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On 27 Jun 19 17:50:16, Lee Lofaso said the following to Nick Andre:

Women love my dick. They call it the most "beautiful thing in the
world" - knowing I aim to please.

Microscopic things are often cute...

Sorry my dick isn't big enough to make you happy.

You have written me many love letters here and obsess about me so much, desperately clinging onto my every word just because I occupy the 1:1/0 address. If you're going to venture into gay joke territory, your apparent nodelist-fetish somewhat stack the deck against you.

Speaking of nodelists - Hows your Sysop Node-number Probation Period going? Did you finally figure out how to install a mailer yet?

Nick

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On 28/06/2019 01:50, Lee Lofaso -> Nick Andre wrote:

Microscopic things are often cute...

Sorry my dick isn't big enough to make you happy.

I find it perplexing when blokes claim to be "hung like a horse"... Do they frequent women who can accommodate a horse?

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Hello David,

Microscopic things are often cute...

Sorry my dick isn't big enough to make you happy.

I find it perplexing when blokes claim to be "hung like a horse"... Do

they

frequent women who can accommodate a horse?

What a huge cavity those women must have. At least 30" deep,
and 6" wide. Which makes their claim preposterous.

However, I have given this more thought.

The size of a gorilla's dick is much smaller than most men's dicks.
In order for Fay Wray to have gotten any real enjoyment from her mate,
she would have needed to find a gorilla the size of King Kong.

Which means, in order for a man to be "hung like a horse" he would
have to be a massive giant. I think Jack once met a giant of that
size after he climbed a beanstalk.

--Lee

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Hello David,

Microscopic things are often cute...

Sorry my dick isn't big enough to make you happy.

I find it perplexing when blokes claim to be "hung like a horse"... Do

they

frequent women who can accommodate a horse?

You have absolutely no earthly idea what women can do with a horse.
When a guy tries to do it, especially if it is a stallion, he often
finds himself extremely disappointed, never able to get it in where
he wants. I have actually seen this happen. During Mardi Gras.

A very drunk Cajun tried to make out with a policeman's horse.
This was during broad daylight, and the scene was drawing a crowd.
What does a policeman do when a drunk Cajun tries to make out
with the horse the policeman is riding on?

He gets off his horse and puts the drunkard on board. Then
busts the drunkard for DUI (driving under the influece).

And to think the drunkard beat the rap.

Argued in court the horse was not a motorized vehicle.

The court ruled him not guilty.

Now, realize the size of what is inside a stallion's sheath
is much longer than what most men could ever hope to possess.
If a stallion gets hot enough to want to do to a man what it
wants to do with a mare, I truly feel sorry for the man who
tried to mess with the stallion.

That is why doing it with a cow makes much more sense than
trying to do it with a horse. One of my classmates during
grammar school did that while we were waiting for the bus.

His mom brought him to school after he missed the bus, and
was greeted by everybody at school calling him "Moo!"

--Lee

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Hello Nick,

Women love my dick. They call it the most "beautiful thing in the
world" - knowing I aim to please.

Microscopic things are often cute...

Sorry my dick isn't big enough to make you happy.

You have written me many love letters here and obsess about me so much, desperately clinging onto my every word just because I occupy the 1:1/0 address. If you're going to venture into gay joke territory, your apparent nodelist-fetish somewhat stack the deck against you.

Oh, suddenly Ms. Taco is an expert on burritos?

Speaking of nodelists - Hows your Sysop Node-number Probation Period

going?

Did you finally figure out how to install a mailer yet?

I just show them my hands.

--Lee

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