On 13/11/2019 15:37, Paul Quinn -> Nick Andre wrote:

in '93 or '94. It was real easy to get a node number.

Not really. In late '94 David's favourite NC at the time insisted that
I had to formulate a 'direct' netmail application for nodelisting, using
a ~/999 address.

That "other" Paul?

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Hi! David,

On 11/13/2019 04:22 PM, you wrote:

That "other" Paul?

My memory recalls Noel.

Cheers,
Paul.

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On 13/11/2019 16:58, Paul Quinn -> David Drummond wrote:

That "other" Paul?

My memory recalls Noel.

Ah- him :)

Paul was before him.

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Hi! David,

On 13 Nov 19 18:55, you wrote to me:

That "other" Paul?

My memory recalls Noel.

Ah- him :)

Yeah, that short-arse nutzee from the north. He turned out to be a nice bloke,
across the grog table.

Paul was before him.

Mmm... he's in those fotos of a BrisVegas macca's meet, yes/no?

Cheers,
Paul.

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On 13/11/2019 20:51, Paul Quinn -> David Drummond wrote:

Ah- him :)

Yeah, that short-arse nutzee from the north. He turned out to be a nice bloke, across the grog table.

:) And a BMW rider too.

Paul was before him.

Mmm... he's in those fotos of a BrisVegas macca's meet, yes/no?

Fair unkempt looking hair and beard. Can't remember if he wore specs...

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Hi! David,

On 11/14/2019 07:34 AM, you wrote:

Yeah, that short-arse nutzee from the north. He turned out to be
a nice bloke, across the grog table.

:) And a BMW rider too.

Oh? Bike? From his descriptions it sounded like a limo. Stereo system, CB radio, heated seat(s), cruise control... and things I have forgotten.

Interestingly, he never owned up to visiting 'the tattooed lady' in Darwin, on his mysterious yearly "roadtrips" to NT. ;)

Cheers,
Paul.

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On 14/11/2019 08:11, Paul Quinn -> David Drummond wrote:

Yeah, that short-arse nutzee from the north. He turned out to be
a nice bloke, across the grog table.

:) And a BMW rider too.

Oh? Bike? From his descriptions it sounded like a limo. Stereo
system, CB radio, heated seat(s), cruise control... and things I have forgotten.

Yep it was one of BMW "procession float" type bikes.

Interestingly, he never owned up to visiting 'the tattooed lady' in Darwin, on his mysterious yearly "roadtrips" to NT. ;)

:)

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Unfortunately, The Orange One decided to build a wall and we have
been unable to return ...

When I sometimes see some boring news clips about what goes on with the most
stupid POTUS the US citizens have ever elected (sorry GWB, not a chance on that
title now), I cannot help but wondering where all the Trump huggers in Fidonet went.

Is that Donald guy really true? I've seen nothing but incredible stupidity from him. Whenever he speaks he's making an even bigger fool of himself than anyone thought possible.

USA definitely is a very interesting society. Scary strange, but interesting
watching from a distance.



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Hello Björn,

Unfortunately, The Orange One decided to build a wall and we have
been unable to return ...

When I sometimes see some boring news clips about what goes on with the

most

stupid POTUS the US citizens have ever elected (sorry GWB, not a chance on that title now), I cannot help but wondering where all the Trump huggers

in

Fidonet went.

You really have to get out more. Trumpers are everywhere.
Of course, you may not recognize any of them until you attend
one of those rallies. Everybody wearing MAGA hats, the entire
crowd being a sea of red ...

Is that Donald guy really true? I've seen nothing but incredible stupidity from him. Whenever he speaks he's making an even bigger fool of himself than anyone thought possible.

You have to be there to truly understand. The man speaks like
a third grader. And the crowd loves it, believing every word he
says.

In the early days of our history, US presidents had a 20 year
education. Really bright guys, some of them having an IQ of over
150 (John Quincy Adams is thought to have had an IQ of 158). In
today's world, most Americans are lucky to have had 10 years of
education, and can barely read and write.

That is why most people in America revere Donald Trump as the
smartest man alive. This is what snopes.com had to say -

Trump IQ test results discovered in former NYMA employee’s closet.

The result: 73

The results of an IQ test that President Donald Trump allegedly took
during his first year at New York Military Academy have been discovered
in a file box in a closet in Brooklyn. According to the test results,
Trump’s IQ is 73.

The document, currently in the process of being authenticated, was
discovered Thursday by William Askew, Jr. as he was cleaning out his
late father’s apartment.

“Dad was the school counselor at NYMA from 1955 to 1985. He didn’t administer these tests, but he was in charge of collecting them and
sending them to the grading office,” said Askew.

Askew produced additional documents and photographs that confirm his
father was indeed employed as school counselor at NYMA at the same time
Trump attended the military prep school.

“I don’t think this should be news to anybody,” said Askew. “The guy’s
clearly a total moron.”

USA definitely is a very interesting society. Scary strange, but

interesting

watching from a distance.

Which would you rather have as the leader of your country -
a stupid person, or a crazy person? For most folks, it is a
very easy choice.

--Lee

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On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 15:18:41 +0100
Lee Lofaso -> Bj_rn Felten <0@2.203.2> wrote:

That is why most people in America revere Donald Trump as the
smartest man alive. This is what snopes.com had to say -

Trump IQ test results discovered in former NYMA employee’s closet.

The result: 73

Did you even read the full article? https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/donald-trump-nyma-iq/

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Trump IQ test results discovered in former NYMA employee’s closet.

The result: 73

Did you even read the full article? https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/donald-trump-nyma-iq/

Qh. Finally. Someone reading Lofaso's mails and thinks they're serious.

\%/@rd

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On 24 Nov 2019, Bj�rn Felten said the following...

I cannot help but wondering where all the Trump huggers in Fidonet went.

You shall no longer wonder.

Is that Donald guy really true?

I could tell you all about the positive and amazing things are happening
under the Trump Presidency, but you wouldn't be interested in any of that.

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On 25 Nov 19 21:10:11, Gregory Deyss said the following to Bj*Rn Felten:

Is that Donald guy really true?

I could tell you all about the positive and amazing things are happening under the Trump Presidency, but you wouldn't be interested in any of that.

You're right, he's not interested in any of that. Its easier for him to take cheap shots at the USA than dealing with his beloved Sweden eroding his "free speech" with political-correctness. Ask Bjorn if he's willing to host and share on social media a cartoon picture of Prophet Mohammed taking it up the ass? Lets see if he will challenge the Acceptable Usage Policy of his ISP
about posting things classified as "hate speech". Its his right... right?

He is full of shit just like many other trolls; zone-wars, both here and elsewhere. My Country Is Better Than Yours, USA sucks, Europe sucks etc...

Its all a big troll game Greg - don't waste your time.

His best friend Lee can't even obtain a node number or accept P4 without consulting the services of a lawyer, not even a Jewish one at that.

Nick

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On 25 Nov 2019, Nick Andre said the following...

On 25 Nov 19 21:10:11, Gregory Deyss said the following to Bj*Rn Felten:

Is that Donald guy really true?

I could tell you all about the positive and amazing things are happeni under the Trump Presidency, but you wouldn't be interested in any of t

You're right, he's not interested in any of that. Its easier for him to take cheap shots at the USA than dealing with his beloved Sweden eroding his "free speech" with political-correctness. Ask Bjorn if he's willing
to host and share on social media a cartoon picture of Prophet Mohammed taking it up the ass? Lets see if he will challenge the Acceptable Usage Policy of his ISP about posting things classified as "hate speech". Its his right... right?

He is full of shit just like many other trolls; zone-wars, both here and elsewhere. My Country Is Better Than Yours, USA sucks, Europe sucks
etc...

huh imagine that, zone wars, under "Obama the Appeaser" I could see where
there could of been a discussion, but under Trump. fuggedaboudit.

America First policy, unemployment at 50 year low, strongest economy in many years. New York Stock Exchange breaking previous records of what then was a suceess, soaring ever higher then ever before in it's history.

Its all a big troll game Greg - don't waste your time.

You're right, I just wanted to let him know that I was still here, because he asked.

I cannot help but wondering where all the Trump huggers in Fidonet went.

His best friend Lee can't even obtain a node number or accept P4 without consulting the services of a lawyer, not even a Jewish one at that.

I have offered that as well.

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On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 22:05:18 -0500
"Nick Andre -> Gregory Deyss" <0@426.229.1> wrote:

On 25 Nov 19 21:10:11, Gregory Deyss said the following to Bj*Rn
Felten:

You're right, he's not interested in any of that. Its easier for him
to take cheap shots at the USA than dealing with his beloved Sweden eroding his "free speech" with political-correctness. Ask Bjorn if
he's willing to host and share on social media a cartoon picture of Prophet Mohammed taking it up the ass? Lets see if he will challenge
the Acceptable Usage Policy of his ISP about posting things
classified as "hate speech". Its his right... right?

He is full of shit just like many other trolls; zone-wars, both here
and elsewhere. My Country Is Better Than Yours, USA sucks, Europe
sucks etc...

Its all a big troll game Greg - don't waste your time.

His best friend Lee can't even obtain a node number or accept P4
without consulting the services of a lawyer, not even a Jewish one at that.

Is that ZC1 guy really true? I've seen nothing but incredible stupidity from him. Whenever he speaks he's making an even bigger fool of himself ...

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Oli wrote to Nick Andre <=-

You're right, he's not interested in any of that. Its easier for him
to take cheap shots at the USA than dealing with his beloved Sweden eroding his "free speech" with political-correctness. Ask Bjorn if
he's willing to host and share on social media a cartoon picture of Prophet Mohammed taking it up the ass? Lets see if he will challenge
the Acceptable Usage Policy of his ISP about posting things
classified as "hate speech". Its his right... right?

He is full of shit just like many other trolls; zone-wars, both here
and elsewhere. My Country Is Better Than Yours, USA sucks, Europe
sucks etc...

Its all a big troll game Greg - don't waste your time.

His best friend Lee can't even obtain a node number or accept P4
without consulting the services of a lawyer, not even a Jewish one at that.

Is that ZC1 guy really true? I've seen nothing but incredible
stupidity from him. Whenever he speaks he's making an even bigger
fool of himself ...

You think that because you haven't been around very long. He's
absolutely correct in his claims that BJ and LL are nothing but
trolls and shit-talkers. Oh, and don't look in the mirror.



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Is that ZC1 guy really true? I've seen nothing but incredible stupidity
from him. Whenever he speaks he's making an even bigger fool of himself
...

Nick has been the main contributor to ending the Zone-warz ... I would think twice, if I were you, to start them again.

\%/@rd

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Nick has been the main contributor to ending the Zone-warz ... I would think twice, if I were you, to start them again.

So him insulting an *C that's been active since about when his mother changed his diapers doesn't bother you?



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Is that ZC1 guy really true? I've seen nothing but incredible stupidity from him. Whenever he speaks he's making an even bigger fool of himself ...

I've seen a lot more from him than that. For many years he was a really nice
guy. But as for the last year or so, I agree with you.

I really wonder what happened to him after he won the ZC1 Mickey Mouse Hat. We all know that power corrupts, but usually it takes decades before it kicks in...



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You're right, he's not interested in any of that. Its easier for him to take
cheap shots at the USA than dealing with his beloved Sweden eroding his "free
speech" with political-correctness.

WOW! So you're now into the mind reading business as well?

Ask Bjorn if he's willing to host and
share on social media a cartoon picture of Prophet Mohammed taking it up the ass?

Yes please, do that. And ask yourself why in Heavens Name he would ever feel
the urge to do such an imbecile thing. I'm an agnostic, I have absolutely no beef with the Muslims, so why would I "waste" my freedom of speech on an insult
that isn't even in par with my own personal opinion? Just to try how far my Freedom of Speech goes?

Jeeezzz, man. I really feel sorry for all the people that still don't understand the concept of Freedom of Speech...

His best friend Lee can't even obtain a node number

If only you knew how many friends I have that can't obtain a node number. But around 100 of them still participate in Fidonet echoes via my BBS as listed
in the origin.


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Nick has been the main contributor to ending the Zone-warz ... I
would think twice, if I were you, to start them again.

So him insulting an *C that's been active since about when his mother changed his diapers doesn't bother you?

Putting words in my mouth which I never spoke nor wrote. Try different bait next time.

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Jeeezzz, man. I really feel sorry for all the people that still don't understand the concept of Freedom of Speech...

That sounds a lot like Janis replying "Please re-read what I wrote".

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I've seen a lot more from him than that. For many years he was a
really nice guy. But as for the last year or so, I agree with you.

You also pretended that you were a contributor to his baby, the D'Bridge software, which he vehemently denies. It's a polite way of him of saying that you were lying.

Not lying? Show us the code that you contributed. Strike-1.

You also pretended that you co-wrote parts of the ERRFLAGS-software in use here
and at other locations. So I asked Johnny Bergdahl about it and this is verbatim what he writes: "Felten was the NC of 2:203 (and still is as far as I know). He never helped me with a single line of code while I was managing it." The original statement is in the Fidonet-group on Facebook. Strike-2.

You also facilitate the access to Fidonet of the biggest troll there is. PTL for inventing the 'Next' key.

And I also hope you realize that the only reason why you still are in Fidonet is because I have been holding my hand above your head.

How am I doing so for on the 'freedom of speech' scale?

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Hello Ward,

Trump IQ test results discovered in former NYMA employeeGamm��s

closet.

The result: 73

Did you even read the full article?
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/donald-trump-nyma-iq/

Qh. Finally. Someone reading Lofaso's mails and thinks they're serious.

You believe Donald Trump's claim of being a "stable genius" with
an IQ of 156? I certainly don't. But hey. You're from Belgium.
And I hear lots of folks from Belgium have orange hair. Or maybe
it is the Dutch having the orange hair ...

--Lee

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Hello Oli,

That is why most people in America revere Donald Trump as the
smartest man alive. This is what snopes.com had to say -

Trump IQ test results discovered in former NYMA employee’s closet.

The result: 73

Did you even read the full article? https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/donald-trump-nyma-iq/

Yes. The article debunks Trump's claim of having an IQ of 156.

Talk about a "stable genius".

--Lee

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Hello Oli,

On 25 Nov 19 21:10:11, Gregory Deyss said the following to Bj*Rn
Felten:

You're right, he's not interested in any of that. Its easier for him
to take cheap shots at the USA than dealing with his beloved Sweden
eroding his "free speech" with political-correctness. Ask Bjorn if
he's willing to host and share on social media a cartoon picture of
Prophet Mohammed taking it up the ass? Lets see if he will challenge
the Acceptable Usage Policy of his ISP about posting things
classified as "hate speech". Its his right... right?

He is full of shit just like many other trolls; zone-wars, both here
and elsewhere. My Country Is Better Than Yours, USA sucks, Europe
sucks etc...

Its all a big troll game Greg - don't waste your time.

His best friend Lee can't even obtain a node number or accept P4
without consulting the services of a lawyer, not even a Jewish one at
that.

Is that ZC1 guy really true?

Do you think I made myself up?

I've seen nothing but incredible stupidity from him.

I am the upgraded version of Donald Trump.

Whenever he speaks he's making an even bigger fool of himself ...

You have me confused with the self-declared "stable genius" who
claims to have an IQ of 156. But I do thank you for the compliment,
realizing that makes me far more qualified than Fat Nixon.

--Lee

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Hello Ward,

Trump IQ test results discovered in former NYMA employeeGamm��s closet.

The result: 73

Did you even read the full article?
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/donald-trump-nyma-iq/

Qh. Finally. Someone reading Lofaso's mails and thinks they're serious.

A friend of mine is a full professor of English at Kansas State
University. He agrees with the assessment that Trump has an extremely
low IQ. Would you like me to invite him to this forum? Remember, he
has a PhD and is a world-reknowned scholar ...

--Lee

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On 26 Nov 19 21:59:37, Bj*Rn Felten said the following to Nick Andre:

Yes please, do that. And ask yourself why in Heavens Name he would ever feel the urge to do such an imbecile thing. I'm an agnostic, I have absolut no beef with the Muslims, so why would I "waste" my freedom of speech on an insult that isn't even in par with my own personal opinion? Just to try how far my Freedom of Speech goes?

Sure... its the only reason you are around anymore. To see how far your free speech can go as thats your amusement... you have a lot in common with Janis who you claim to despise over the years yet you could never stop discussing.

A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away; I read all of the "Europe
sucks" crap coming from this zone and really tried to understand things
from another point of view, so we began conversing. I dismissed your anti-USA ranting as just retaliation against Ross Cassell and especially Roy Witt.

In the fall of 2005 when I took over the D'Bridge code, you offered and shared some of your knowledge, which was appreciated but never went anywhere into my final code as I decided to take things in a different direction. I wrote all of the Internet code myself from scratch. You did not contribute to that despite your boasting to Ward. Show me the Internet code you wrote. You can't.

As time went on, I began to see more unrealistic/unfair anti-USA ranting
from you even as the zone-wars died and no more gaslighting from Janis, Bob Seaborn, Ross, etc... but most importantly the departure of Roy Witt.

I travelled to the 'states a few times, made friends, had a blast... but return to catch up on Fidonews banter and here we are with "Orange Man Bad".

Its as if your fellow USA Sysops are somehow single-handedly responsible for electing President Trump and must suffer your nonstop whining and crying.
The anti-USA crap from you just became a very irritating, uneducated, misinformed tired comedy sketch from you just like your sketchy troll friend tried to show off his encyclopedic knowledge of P4 when I was elected ZC1.

As time went on even further, a close Sysop friend of mine who was a true gentlemen passed on; and you did absolutely nothing to curtail the disrespect from the troll. That is when I really began to dislike you personally.

As we catch up to the present; you only exist to point out "Queens English", the tired crap about Trump, or pumping up your trolling friend for amusement.

*THAT* is how you use your free speech. How you've ALWAYS used your speech.

Nick

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Hello Oli,

You're right, he's not interested in any of that. Its easier for him
to take cheap shots at the USA than dealing with his beloved Sweden
eroding his "free speech" with political-correctness. Ask Bjorn if
he's willing to host and share on social media a cartoon picture of
Prophet Mohammed taking it up the ass? Lets see if he will challenge
the Acceptable Usage Policy of his ISP about posting things
classified as "hate speech". Its his right... right?

He is full of shit just like many other trolls; zone-wars, both here
and elsewhere. My Country Is Better Than Yours, USA sucks, Europe
sucks etc...

The most admired man in the world among Swedes is Barack Obama.
The second-most admired man in the world among Swedes is Dalai Lama.
Michelle Obama is the second-most admired woman in the world among
Swedes, first place belonging to Kronprinsessan Victorra.

Its all a big troll game Greg - don't waste your time.

His best friend Lee can't even obtain a node number or accept P4
without consulting the services of a lawyer, not even a Jewish one at
that.

Is that ZC1 guy really true?

Donald Trump is a crazy president who is obsessed with Barack Obama.
Donald Trump needs an enemy.
So he takes to Twitter trying to find one.
And lo and behold, what does he find?
Barack Obama has the most followed Twitter account in the world.
Which explains why Donald Trump went to war.
Against Joe Biden and his son, Hunter.

Rather than use Twitter as a political weapon, Barack Obama acts
more like a celebrity social media influencer. Which explains why
Ivanka Trump is best friends with Chelsea Clinton, leaving The
Orange One out of the loop.

I've seen nothing but incredible stupidity from him.

Barack Obama is also a social media skeptic. He recommends
people to read "The Shallows" by Nicholas Carr - an examination
of how the internet is turning our brains to mush.

Which explains why we have a man with an IQ of 73 as POTUS.

Whenever he speaks he's making an even bigger fool of himself ...

Sorry about last message. Can't do Fat Nixon. Suit is too big.
Gotta give it back to St. Nick. Gets much colder in Canada than
in Louisiana. Especially this time of year.

--Lee

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Hello Bj�rn,

Is that ZC1 guy really true? I've seen nothing but incredible stupidity
from him. Whenever he speaks he's making an even bigger fool of himself

...

I've seen a lot more from him than that. For many years he was a really

nice

guy. But as for the last year or so, I agree with you.

I really wonder what happened to him after he won the ZC1 Mickey Mouse

Hat.

We all know that power corrupts, but usually it takes decades before it kicks in...

Oh, dang! You messed up my claim to be that ZC1 guy Oli was ranting
about! Shame on you! :)

--Lee

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Hello Ward,

Is that ZC1 guy really true? I've seen nothing but incredible stupidity
from him. Whenever he speaks he's making an even bigger fool of himself
...

Nick has been the main contributor to ending the Zone-warz ... I would

think

twice, if I were you, to start them again.

Unlimited freedom of speech has no limits. Therefore, it is
not possible for Oli or Nick or Ward or anybody else to start or
restart so-called "Zone-warz".

--Lee

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On 27 Nov 19 03:15:05, Lee Lofaso said the following to Ward Dossche:

Unlimited freedom of speech has no limits. Therefore, it is
not possible for Oli or Nick or Ward or anybody else to start or
restart so-called "Zone-warz".

Since I cannot easily use crayon graphics or kiddie-fonts in echomail, I cannot simplify this further for you: You do not have freedom of speech in Fidonet.

Nick

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On Nov 26, 2019 09:58pm, Bj�rn Felten wrote to Nick Andre:

If only you knew how many friends I have that can't obtain a node
number. But around 100 of them still participate in Fidonet echoes
via my BBS as listed in the origin.

Ok I will bite, why can't these friend obtain a node number?


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Ok I will bite, why can't these friend obtain a node number?

Mainly because they do not have a computer that's running a server 24/7.



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On Nov 27, 2019 07:05am, Bj�rn Felten wrote to Terry Roati:

Mainly because they do not have a computer that's running a server
24/7.

Not a valid reason since you have never been required to run a computer 24/7
to get a fidonet node number.

They may not choose to which is fine.






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Bj�rn Felten wrote to Terry Roati <=-

Ok I will bite, why can't these friend obtain a node number?

Mainly because they do not have a computer that's running a
server 24/7.

LOL! I thought you were a veteran Fidonetter.

24x7 is not, and never has been, a requirement to be nodelisted.



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Hello Bj�rn,

You're right, he's not interested in any of that. Its easier for NA>him

to take cheap shots at the USA than dealing with his beloved NA>Sweden eroding his "free speech" with political-correctness.

WOW! So you're now into the mind reading business as well?

The Amazing Kreskin could do that! Even wrote a book about it,
telling folks how he did it! I still have it, somewhere, but never
took the time to learn all the tricks.

Ask Bjorn if he's willing to host and share on social media a NA>cartoon

picture of Prophet Mohammed taking it up the ass?

Yes please, do that. And ask yourself why in Heavens Name he would ever

feel

the urge to do such an imbecile thing. I'm an agnostic, I have absolutely no beef with the Muslims, so why would I "waste" my freedom of speech on

an

insult that isn't even in par with my own personal opinion? Just to try

how

far my Freedom of Speech goes?

What did the victims of 9/11 do to deserve what they got from
terrorists? I am sure some of them were agnostic, others deeply
religious. In a city with a population as diverse as NYC, it is
certain that some of the victims were Muslim. And that is not
counting those who died at the Pentagon in Washington DC, or those
who perished on the airplanes.

The USA has a problem with terrorism. Mass shootings have become
a common occurrence, especially at schools and shopping centers.
But also at places of worship (churches, synagogues, mosques).
Nobody wants to admit it, but this is domestic terrorism. No wall
will ever stop or prevent this kind of terrorism from happening.

Jeeezzz, man. I really feel sorry for all the people that still don't understand the concept of Freedom of Speech...

Unlimited freedom of speech is the only free freedom of speech
there can be, as any limitation on free speech would defeat its
purpose.

His best friend Lee can't even obtain a node number

If only you knew how many friends I have that can't obtain a node number. But around 100 of them still participate in Fidonet echoes via my BBS as listed in the origin.

Fidonet has always welcomed those who do not own a node number.
Even though a small number of sysops want to keep it for themselves.

--Lee

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Hello Bj�rn,

Is that ZC1 guy really true? I've seen nothing but incredible stupidity
from him. Whenever he speaks he's making an even bigger fool of himself

...

I've seen a lot more from him than that. For many years he was a really

nice

guy. But as for the last year or so, I agree with you.

Climate change. The Frozen Nawth is no longer The Frozen Nawth
and nothing will ever be the same.

I really wonder what happened to him after he won the ZC1 Mickey Mouse

Hat.

It can no longer be denied. Climate change is real. Very real.

We all know that power corrupts, but usually it takes decades before it kicks in...

Abrupt climate change is the more appropriate term. One day
everything is normal. The next day the spaceship blows its top.

--Lee

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Hi Bj�rn.

27 Nov 19 07:06:58, you wrote to Terry Roati:

Ok I will bite, why can't these friend obtain a node number?

Mainly because they do not have a computer that's running a server
24/7.

It is only needed to be able to receive mail during the ZMH, not 24/7. But I think you knew that.

'Tommi

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Hello Nick,

Unlimited freedom of speech has no limits. Therefore, it is
not possible for Oli or Nick or Ward or anybody else to start or
restart so-called "Zone-warz".

Since I cannot easily use crayon graphics or kiddie-fonts in echomail, I cannot simplify this further for you: You do not have freedom of speech in Fidonet.

It is quite apparent you have no clue as to what the term means.

--Lee

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In the fall of 2005 when I took over the D'Bridge code, you offered and shared
some of your knowledge, which was appreciated but never went anywhere
into my
final code as I decided to take things in a different direction.

Maybe you could have told me that? After all, this is one of many mail you sent to me prior to that decision of yours:


(From - Thu Nov 24 04:01:58 2005)

Hi,

Got it OK (good old BinkP...). And of course I understand that I'm not

supposed to give anything away to anyone, unless you give me the permission to do so. I just hope you will not claim exclusive copyright for 70 years after you're dead (I probably die before you anyway -- I'm 57 and I get the feeling you're somewhat younger than me)? :)

LOL I'm exactly 30 years younger. :-)

Yeah, it sure is a mess. It seems that, in the end, the original author

resorted to cut&paste programming, judging from the massive amount of redundant
code (probably the main reason for our memory problem at the moment).

Yes, and I had a hell of a time even trying to design something so simple as an
extra menu for users to configure their BinkP settings; the "dynamic window" code in the configuration menus (where you can type in multiple-lines of text) is VERY picky. If you can understand how it works; I'm sure you'll agree its very unstable.

I'll try to clean it up as much as possible, and also remove all the

quirks and extras added in the old TP5.5 days, no longer needed with BP7, since
it has most of those functions already built into the run time library.

Much appreciated. What kind of wine do you want me to ship you for christmas? :-)

If I understand you correctly, I can also remove all the registration

related stuff (that amounts to a lot of waste of computer resources)?

I was actually going to do that myself but if that will make it easier for you to migrate to BP7, sure.

DBINIT and EDINIT (IIRC) make extensive checking of the license keyfile, actually most of the code that has that CRC table in the beginning declarations
is pretty much for the anti-piracy features of D'Bridge.

I just remembered that the DB.EXE TSR that gets built by MDB.BAT also checks for a Fossil TSR to be loaded; if not, it calls X00.EXE to load one, before any
of the mailer code gets ran. You'll also find extensive assembly stuff, mainly CRC checking, in all of the Zmodem related code; although upon inspection it should not be necessary to change it - its not making use of heap code or pointers or anything to my knowledge. Its the swap-to-DOS stuff elsewhere in the code that will keep your hands full I'm sure. :-P

There was actually several sections of code I removed that checked the license "kee" file quite frequently, and two systems could not connect if they shared the same serial number. If they did, both systems would crash quite horribly...
on purpose. I think this program was the first to use an activation system like
XP did. Pretty clever anti-piracy stuff for 1987. :-)

If you don't hear from me in a week or so, you know the reason why --

I'm into deep sh*t, up to my neck, trying to get out. :)

Oh it took me a few weeks to even figure out where to begin, once the original author sent me the source code. He dumped everything into a ZIP file and basically said "good luck". I must warn you about the TurboPower routines - The
ISAM stuff is used extensively for the nodelist compiler, queue system and costbase - Changing any of that stuff causes "interesting" side effects. :-P

Oh, I have no intention of breaking my 25 year long record of never

having failed a software mission, so I'll eventually have this thing working, even if it's the last thing I do. :)

I totally agree as its my mission as well to have a functioning integrated BinkP system in place and maybe some other "goodies" if it can be done. I've been using this mailer for over 12 years and 12 years of using the same product
kinda grows on you after awhile. I even got my girlfriend Laura involved; she handles the "tech support" side of things, personally answering all emails and questions asked by newcomers to DB. We're actually getting quite the little following going on now.

*Nick*







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Mainly because they do not have a computer that's running a server
24/7.

It is only needed to be able to receive mail during the ZMH, not 24/7.
But I think you knew that.

And I'm sure that you appreciate what it would mean to set your alarm clock to wake you up before a Scandinavian ZMH just to start that server for just an hour every day, 7/365 -- five weeks of Scandinavian vacation trips included. :)

As opposed to checking your Thunderbird mail when you feel like it, I mean...



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And I also hope you realize that the only reason why you still are in Fidonet is because I have been holding my hand above your head.

Is that a threat to have me excommunicated? Interesting...

How am I doing so for on the 'freedom of speech' scale?

I'm not all that familiar with the status of the Belgian constitution (if you even have one), so I can't say.

But during my more than 30 years in Fidonet, I've donated hundreds of code snippets to the public domain. A dozen or so made it to the SWAG archive (http://eljaco.se/SWAG/). I've also helped several FTN developers slipstreaming
their code when asked to.

Most of them didn't even thank me for my effort. Some did, but I didn't care. The experience I've accumulated during all this time, I would just hate to see that turned into dust once I leave, so I've tried the best I can to share it with the next generation.



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And I also hope you realize that the only reason why you still are in BF>WD> Fidonet is because I have been holding my hand above your head.

Is that a threat to have me excommunicated? Interesting...

That is stating a simple fact.

You know pretty well that at the time of the Fidoneews-putsch you were at the core of the controverse ... the goal of the putchists was to have you removed ... from the nodelist, from Fidonews, from anything in this network. That did not happen because I dug-in my heels.

Let me further explain that I have received more than one request over the years to dump you. The fact it didn't happen is a clear message.

So while we're at it and you're putting a threat into my mouth that I never spoke, uttered nor wrote ...

You claim you've been a node for 30 years ... in that period of time how many sysops were ex-commed in Z2? How many of these during my watch? Use extra sheets if you need them...

\%/@rd

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Let me further explain that I have received more than one request over
the years to dump you. The fact it didn't happen is a clear message.

Indeed it is. The fact that you even consider such a "request" as opposed to
a properly formatted Policy Complaint, sends a chilling message about how the Fidonet powers handle situations on a whim.




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On 29 Nov 19 01:58:09, Bj*Rn Felten said the following to Nick Andre:

Maybe you could have told me that? After all, this is one of many mail y sent to me prior to that decision of yours:

Dig up as much of the past on me as you want... I don't care. I do not regret anything I ever say or post and I am not afraid of anything.

I have something you do not have - Balls. That was a requirement to obtain
a family court order in 2008 awarding me sole-custody against someone with the same mental issues you have.

Most people tend to ignore you and your alter-ego Lee at this point in time so it really says more about you than it does about me.

D'Bridge has a loyal following and is still supported. Where is JoHo your
hero these days?

Are we done now... this is boring.

Nick

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Hello, Bj�rn Felten.
On 29/11/2019 2.14 you wrote:

Mainly because they do not have a computer that's running a server
24/7.

It is only needed to be able to receive mail during the ZMH, not 24/7.
But I think you knew that.

And I'm sure that you appreciate what it would mean to set your alarm clock to wake you up before a Scandinavian ZMH just to start that server for just an hour every day, 7/365 -- five weeks of Scandinavian
vacation trips included. :)

Some computers can wake up automatically. And go to sleep also. ;)

As opposed to checking your Thunderbird mail when you feel like it, I mean...

Yes. As I have wondered before, why everyone should get a nodenumber to join discussion in fidonet...

.

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Let me further explain that I have received more than one request over BF>WD> the years to dump you. The fact it didn't happen is a clear message.

Indeed it is. The fact that you even consider such a "request" as
opposed to a properly formatted Policy Complaint, sends a chilling
message about how the Fidonet powers handle situations on a whim.

Do not try to immitate Roy Witt, he was the master of turning an argument around. You obviously were not the best pupil while he was lecturing.

So, to repeat the question as opposed to your silly attempt at an accusation ... how many people have I ever thrown out of the nodelist during that stretch of 25 years? I know the exact number, and so do you, which is the reason why you're not answering...

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On Fri, 29 Nov 2019 02:33:39 +0100
Björn Felten -> Ward Dossche <0@2.203.2> wrote:

And I also hope you realize that the only reason why you still
are in Fidonet is because I have been holding my hand above
your head.

Is that a threat to have me excommunicated? Interesting...

Isn't it just his usual bragging and boasting? What would have happened, if you
were removed from the nodelist?

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Bj�rn Felten wrote to Tommi Koivula <=-

And I'm sure that you appreciate what it would mean to set your
alarm clock to wake you up before a Scandinavian ZMH just to start that server for just an hour every day, 7/365 -- five weeks of Scandinavian vacation trips included. :)

Automating the process to fire up a mailer at ZMH and shut it back down
again is trivial, and left to the reader.


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In a post between "Tommi Koivula : Bj�rn Felten", on 11/27/2019 12:54 PM

It is only needed to be able to receive mail during the ZMH, not 24/7.

Where is the specific ZMH time documented for each zone?

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Hello Oli,

And I also hope you realize that the only reason why you still
are in Fidonet is because I have been holding my hand above
your head.

Is that a threat to have me excommunicated? Interesting...

Isn't it just his usual bragging and boasting? What would have happened, if you were removed from the nodelist?

We'd all be comrades.

--Lee

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On Nov 30, 2019 05:08am, August Abolins wrote to Tommi Koivula:

In a post between "Tommi Koivula : Bj�rn Felten", on 11/27/2019 12:54 PM

It is only needed to be able to receive mail during the ZMH, not 24/7.

Where is the specific ZMH time documented for each zone?

P4

In FidoNet Zone 2, Zone Mail Hour is observed from 0230 to 0330 UTC.


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It is only needed to be able to receive mail during the ZMH, not 24/7.

Where is the specific ZMH time documented for each zone?

https://www.fidonet.fi/policy4.txt :)

10.2 Timing of Zone Mail Hour

Zone Mail Hour is observed each day, including weekends and holidays. The time is based upon Universal Coordinated Time (UTC), also known as Greenwich Mean time (GMT). In areas which observe Daylight Savings Time during part of the year, the local time of zone mail hour will change because FidoNet does not observe Daylight Savings Time. The exact timing of Zone Mail Hour is set for each zone by the Zone Coordinator.

In FidoNet Zone 1, Zone Mail Hour is observed from 0900 to 1000 UTC. In each of the time zones, this is:

Eastern Standard Time 4 AM to 5 AM
Central Standard Time 3 AM to 4 AM
Mountain Standard Time 2 AM to 3 AM
Pacific Standard Time 1 AM to 2 AM
Hawaii Standard Time 11 PM to Midnight

In FidoNet Zone 2, Zone Mail Hour is observed from 0230 to 0330 UTC.

In Fidonet Zone 3, Zone Mail Hour is observed from 1800 to 1900 UTC. In each of the time Zones involved this is:

GMT +12 Zone 6:00 AM to 7:00 AM
(New Zealand)

GMT +10 Zone 4:00 AM to 5:00 AM
(East Australia)
(Papua New Guinea)
(Micronesia)

GMT +9.5 Zone 3:30 AM to 4:30 AM
(Central Australia)

GMT +9 Zone 3:00 AM to 4:00 AM
(Japan)
(Korea)
(Eastern Indonesia)

GMT +8 Zone 2:00 AM to 3:00 AM
(Hong Kong)
(Taiwan)
(Central Indonesia)
(Philippines)
(Western Australia)

GMT +7 Zone 1:00 AM to 2:00 AM
(Malaysia)
(Singapore)
(Thailand)
(Western Indonesia)

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Hi! Tommi,

On 30 Nov 19 10:49, you wrote to August Abolins:

It is only needed to be able to receive mail during the ZMH, not
24/7.

Where is the specific ZMH time documented for each zone?

https://www.fidonet.fi/policy4.txt :)

That is so out of date. Zone 3 changed in the early noughties, to accommodate a more comfortable fit for Region 57...

#02 Zone 2 mail hour (02:30 - 03:30 UTC)
#08 Zone 4 mail hour (08:00 - 09:00 UTC)
#09 Zone 1 mail hour (09:00 - 10:00 UTC)
#17 Zone 3 mail hour (17:00 - 18:00 UTC)

per FTS-5001.006 (see Rev #2 notes).

Cheers,
Paul.

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Hello, Paul Quinn.
On 30/11/2019 12.58 you wrote:

Hi! Tommi,
On 30 Nov 19 10:49, you wrote to August Abolins:

It is only needed to be able to receive mail during the ZMH, not
24/7.

Where is the specific ZMH time documented for each zone?

https://www.fidonet.fi/policy4.txt :)

That is so out of date.

It sure is. :D


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Hi! Tommi,

On 30 Nov 19 14:01, you wrote to me:

Where is the specific ZMH time documented for each zone?

https://www.fidonet.fi/policy4.txt :)

That is so out of date.

It sure is. :D

By golly, we must be about the same height if we see eye-2-eye. I like the 'cut of your jib'. 8^)

Cheers,
Paul.

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Hello August,

It is only needed to be able to receive mail during the ZMH, not 24/7.

Where is the specific ZMH time documented for each zone?

Nowhere. Why do you ask?

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On 30.11.2019 14:11, Paul Quinn -> Tommi Koivula :

Hi! Tommi,

On 30 Nov 19 14:01, you wrote to me:

 ??>>>>> Where is the specific ZMH time documented for each zone?
 TK>>>> https://www.fidonet.fi/policy4.txt :)
 PQ>>> That is so out of date.

 TK>> It sure is. :D

By golly, we must be about the same height if we see eye-2-eye.  I like the 'cut of your jib'.  8^)

:D :D

'Tommi

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On 30/11/2019 3:49 a.m., Tommi Koivula : August Abolins wrote:

Where is the specific ZMH time documented for each zone?

https://www.fidonet.fi/policy4.txt :)

10.2  Timing of Zone Mail Hour

Zone Mail Hour is observed each day, including weekends and holidays.

ARGHHH!. May bad. (Cowering head in shame)

I *had* seen those details months ago, but I couldn't remember where.

I had looked in P4 before I posted my question, *but* I only searched for the string ZMH. The acronym is established in 1.3.3, and used a few times in 2.1.8, and 2.1.9, but never used anywhere else in P4.

If I were to suggest an update to P4 it would be that once an acronym is established (eg. Zone Mail Hour (ZMH)), then stick to using just the acronym further in the document.

Sure, the index (at the end, where most people would *not* likely read for enjoyment) points ZMH to "Zone Mail Hour", and then "Zone Mail Hour" points to a bunch of paragraphs including the most relevant 10.2.

But for something as key and fundamental for being nodelisted, ZMH is a bit obfuscated with extra layers of referencing. :(

BTW, the index does not include 2.1.9 in the list for the occurrence of ZMH.

I will recover from shame after a few brews (coffee) and a few good tunes of favourite music.

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Hello Terry,

It is only needed to be able to receive mail during the ZMH, not 24/7.

Where is the specific ZMH time documented for each zone?

P4

In FidoNet Zone 2, Zone Mail Hour is observed from 0230 to 0330 UTC.

Russia has 8 time zones. Which one should apply?

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Russia has 8 time zones. Which one should apply?

Strictly going by the latitudes, Norway should have five. But like China and
India they settle for just one. It kinda makes things much easier...



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Strictly going by the latitudes,

If only I knew why I make this mistake so often. I *DO* know that it's the *longitudes* that run from pole to pole... :(



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Lee Lofaso <0@2.203.2> wrote:

AA>> Where is the specific ZMH time documented for each zone?

TR> P4

TR> In FidoNet Zone 2, Zone Mail Hour is observed from 0230 to 0330 UTC.

Russia has 8 time zones. Which one should apply?

"0230 to 0330 UTC." :)

'Tommi

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Hi Tommi,

On Dec 01, 2019 10:05am, Tommi Koivula wrote to Lee Lofaso:

"0230 to 0330 UTC." :)

One day Lee will understand the answers are in P4 and that many countries have different time zones which actually shows he doesn't even understand why ZMH was required.

Terry

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Terry Roati wrote to Tommi Koivula <=-

On Dec 01, 2019 10:05am, Tommi Koivula wrote to Lee Lofaso:

"0230 to 0330 UTC." :)

One day Lee will understand the answers are in P4 and that many
countries have different time zones which actually shows he
doesn't even understand why ZMH was required.

Perhaps if you and others would quite replying to/about the
dipshit troll, he'd slink off and disappear like trolls always do
when they don't get the attention they crave.


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Bj�rn Felten wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

Russia has 8 time zones. Which one should apply?

Strictly going by the latitudes, Norway should have five. But like China and India they settle for just one. It kinda makes things much easier...

I always wondered what that would be like, having the same time in a country be morning in one part and evening in the other part. Do you go by circadian time and wake/sleep by the sun or live and work on Moscow time?

Reminded me of the book "Eastern Standard Tribe" by Cory Doctorow.


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On Dec 01, 2019 08:15am, Dan Clough wrote to Terry Roati:

Perhaps if you and others would quite replying to/about the
dipshit troll, he'd slink off and disappear like trolls always do
when they don't get the attention they crave.

That's why I minimize any messages to him.



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Terry Roati wrote to Dan Clough <=-

Perhaps if you and others would quite replying to/about the
dipshit troll, he'd slink off and disappear like trolls always do
when they don't get the attention they crave.

That's why I minimize any messages to him.

Well, "minimize" and "quit" (even though I misspelled it :) ) are
not the same thing...

Even the smallest bit of attention gives them what they want.



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Hi! Dan,

On 01 Dec 19 19:33, you wrote to Terry Roati:

Even the smallest bit of attention gives them what they want.

He's entertaining when there's fuck all else to read.

Cheers,
Paul.

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Paul Quinn wrote to Dan Clough <=-

Even the smallest bit of attention gives them what they want.

He's entertaining when there's fuck all else to read.

I don't think it's entertaining. It's deliberate bullshit
designed to get others to respond so that the attention-bitch gets
what he craves. Responding to obvious trolls is never a good
idea, because they don't care one bit what you say, just that you
said something to them.

And there's always something else (better) to read.



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Hello Tommi,

Where is the specific ZMH time documented for each zone?

P4

In FidoNet Zone 2, Zone Mail Hour is observed from 0230 to 0330

UTC.

Russia has 8 time zones. Which one should apply?

"0230 to 0330 UTC." :)

Would that be longitudes or latitudes?

--Lee

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Hello Terry,

"0230 to 0330 UTC." :)

One day Lee will understand the answers are in P4 and that many countries have
different time zones which actually shows he doesn't even understand why ZMH
was required.

That depends if one is going by longitude or latitude.

--Lee

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On 3/12/2019 00:17, Dan Clough -> Paul Quinn wrote:

He's entertaining when there's fuck all else to read.

I don't think it's entertaining. It's deliberate bullshit
designed to get others to respond so that the attention-bitch gets
what he craves. Responding to obvious trolls is never a good
idea, because they don't care one bit what you say, just that you
said something to them.

And there's always something else (better) to read.

Do you not have the ability to filter the posts of people you do not wish to read?

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David

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02 Dec 19 22:56:06, you wrote to me:

In FidoNet Zone 2, Zone Mail Hour is observed from 0230 to 0330

UTC.

Russia has 8 time zones. Which one should apply?

"0230 to 0330 UTC." :)

Would that be longitudes or latitudes?

UTC is UTC all over the world.

'Tommi

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Hello David!

03 Dec 19 15:14, you wrote to Dan Clough:

Do you not have the ability to filter the posts of people you do not
wish to read?

EchoCleaner with the "Oblivion" option and you'll have a more readable echo. ;)

Ciao!
Fabio

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Hi! Fabio,

On 12/03/2019 05:05 PM, you wrote to David Drummond:

03 Dec 19 15:14, you wrote to Dan Clough:

Do you not have the ability to filter the posts of people you do not
wish to read?

EchoCleaner with the "Oblivion" option and you'll have a more readable echo. ;)

I am shocked, Fabio! You, I thought, are an expert with NNTP servers and readers and you say such awful things.

Do you not recall that your favourite news reader is able to preselect the list
of posts you may want to read? If not, then you need more practice! :)

Cheers,
Paul.

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Hello Paul!

03 Dec 19 17:39, you wrote to me:

EchoCleaner with the "Oblivion" option and you'll have a more
readable echo. ;)

I am shocked, Fabio! You, I thought, are an expert with NNTP servers
and readers and you say such awful things.

I never said that. :P

Do you not recall that your favourite news reader is able to preselect
the list of posts you may want to read? If not, then you need more practice! :)

I love to use the old and beloved golded. I leave the nntp access to younger guys like you... :)

P.S. Now the nntp access to ]\/[imac Rebirth is quite stable, feel free to use it as you prefer young aussie. ;)

Ciao!
Fabio

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Hi! Fabio,

On 12/03/2019 06:10 PM, you wrote:

I love to use the old and beloved golded. I leave the nntp access to younger guys like you... :)

You have me blushing now. No, it's not from the heat.

P.S. Now the nntp access to ]\/[imac Rebirth is quite stable, feel free
to use it as you prefer young aussie. ;)

I do, every morning. First check: Björn Felten's server; then, Tommi Koivula's; and finally yours. That's where I go to get my early morning news, even before checking my own machines.

Of course I'm calling "morning" as per my time. While you're still 'zapping zeds'. :)

Cheers,
Paul.

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Hello Terry,

"0230 to 0330 UTC." :)

One day Lee will understand the answers are in P4 and that many countries have different time zones which actually shows he doesn't even understand why ZMH was required.

P4 has all the answers? To everything? My, my.
What is the ZMH for the North Pole, where Santa gets his mail?
Can't seem to find that anywhere in P4.
What is the ZMH for the International Space Station (ISS)?
Can't seem to find that anywhere in P4.
What is the ZMH for the Moon?
Can't seem to find that anywhere in P4, either.
Not even sure if Santa Claus, the ISS, or the Moon has a ZMH ...

--Lee

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Hello Dan,

"0230 to 0330 UTC." :)

One day Lee will understand the answers are in P4 and that many
countries have different time zones which actually shows he
doesn't even understand why ZMH was required.

Perhaps if you and others would quite replying to/about the
dipshit troll, he'd slink off and disappear like trolls always do
when they don't get the attention they crave.

When you have the facts, argue the facts.
When you have the law, argue the law.
When you have none, just argue.

P4 is nothing but a opinion written by a small group of unknown
individuals that has no official status in Fidonet or anywhere else.

Those are the facts. And the law of the land. Translated into
language that even you can understand - cyberjunk.

--Lee

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On 3/12/2019 17:05, Fabio Bizzi -> David Drummond wrote:

Do you not have the ability to filter the posts of people you do not
wish to read?

EchoCleaner with the "Oblivion" option and you'll have a more readable echo. ;)

I don't run anything extra - my message reader does it for me.

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Regards
David

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On 3/12/2019 18:10, Fabio Bizzi -> Paul Quinn wrote:

Do you not recall that your favourite news reader is able to preselect
the list of posts you may want to read? If not, then you need more
practice! :)

I love to use the old and beloved golded. I leave the nntp access to younger guys like you... :)

Geez! You must be *really old*.

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Regards
David

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On 4/12/2019 06:00, Lee Lofaso -> Terry Roati wrote:

have different time zones which actually shows he doesn't even understand
why ZMH was required.

P4 has all the answers? To everything? My, my.
What is the ZMH for the North Pole, where Santa gets his mail?
Can't seem to find that anywhere in P4.
What is the ZMH for the International Space Station (ISS)?
Can't seem to find that anywhere in P4.
What is the ZMH for the Moon?
Can't seem to find that anywhere in P4, either.
Not even sure if Santa Claus, the ISS, or the Moon has a ZMH ...

Were you thinking of moving to one of those locations when you apply for you node number?

The ZMH for those places is relevant to what Fidonet zone they're listed in. Once you know that you can determine their ZMH from the data in P4.

It's not rocket science.

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Regards
David

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On 4/12/2019 06:00, Lee Lofaso -> Dan Clough wrote:

P4 is nothing but a opinion written by a small group of unknown individuals that has no official status in Fidonet or anywhere else.

Have you actually perused the document.

It contains many "how-tos" regarding setting up and running a node that will communicate with other nodes. Those "opinions" work.

Those are the facts. And the law of the land. Translated into
language that even you can understand - cyberjunk.

But it works!

Quit your bitching and submit that node listing request.

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Regards
David

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Hello Bj�rn,

Is that ZC1 guy really true? I've seen nothing but incredible stupidity
from him. Whenever he speaks he's making an even bigger fool of himself

...

I've seen a lot more from him than that. For many years he was a really

nice

guy. But as for the last year or so, I agree with you.

I really wonder what happened to him after he won the ZC1 Mickey Mouse

Hat.

We all know that power corrupts, but usually it takes decades before it kicks in...

I am sure you are right, that three years ago he was "a really
nice guy". But then something happened. And we both know what
that something is.

Or maybe you don't, since you stated "I really wonder ..."

So. I guess I'll have to explain it to you.

Better yet, I'll let The Rolling Stone explain it, so that all
can understand.

Even an agnostic like you will truly believe after reading this -

https://tinyurl.com/r2zyrpz


So please. Do forgive our Canadian friend.

| * TRUMP *
|
| 2020
|
| NO MORE BULLSHIT

--Lee

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On 12-04-19 06:55, David Drummond wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

Not even sure if Santa Claus, the ISS, or the Moon has a ZMH ...

Were you thinking of moving to one of those locations when you apply
for you node number?

The ZMH for those places is relevant to what Fidonet zone they're
listed in. Once you know that you can determine their ZMH from the data
in P4.

It's not rocket science.

But it's likely to involve rocket science to get BBSs setup in a couple of those locations! (you have to launch the parts somehow ;) ).


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Hello, Lee Lofaso.
On 03/12/2019 22.00 you wrote:

Hello Terry,

"0230 to 0330 UTC." :)

One day Lee will understand the answers are in P4 and that many countries
have different time zones which actually shows he doesn't even understand
why ZMH was required.

P4 has all the answers? To everything? My, my.
What is the ZMH for the North Pole, where Santa gets his mail?
Can't seem to find that anywhere in P4.

Everyone knows that Santa Claus lives at Korvatunturi, in Finland. Not in North
Pole.

So he is in zone2.

--Lee

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Hello Tommi!

P4 has all the answers? To everything? My, my.
What is the ZMH for the North Pole, where Santa gets his mail?
Can't seem to find that anywhere in P4.

Everyone knows that Santa Claus lives at Korvatunturi, in Finland. Not in North Pole.

When I met him he was sitting on the Polar-circle in Rovaniemi, but I suppose that was the tourist version.

So he is in zone2.

Even if he does live in Rovaniemi, it still is Zone 2.

Kees

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Hello Tony,

Not even sure if Santa Claus, the ISS, or the Moon has a ZMH ...

Were you thinking of moving to one of those locations when you apply
for you node number?

The ZMH for those places is relevant to what Fidonet zone they're
listed in. Once you know that you can determine their ZMH from the data
in P4.

It's not rocket science.

But it's likely to involve rocket science to get BBSs setup in a couple of those locations! (you have to launch the parts somehow ;) ).

I have a Snoopy in space watch! Tells me exactly what time of day,
or night, it is. Wherever I am, or may be.

--Lee

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P4 has all the answers? To everything? My, my.
What is the ZMH for the North Pole, where Santa gets his mail?
Can't seem to find that anywhere in P4.

Everyone knows that Santa Claus lives at Korvatunturi, in Finland. Not in
North Pole.

When I met him he was sitting on the Polar-circle in Rovaniemi, but I

suppose

that was the tourist version.

Yeah, he has to collect the spare money from tourists. The polar circle is just
the right place for that job. ;)

So he is in zone2.

Even if he does live in Rovaniemi, it still is Zone 2.

Correct.

'Tommi

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On 12-01-19, BJ�RN FELTEN said to LEE LOFASO:

Russia has 8 time zones. Which one should apply?

Strictly going by the latitudes, Norway should have five. But like China BF>and India they settle for just one. It kinda makes things much easier...

At the beginning of the world, back when they were passing out `time zones', Norway thought they said `pine cones', and since they already had tons of pine cones, they said `we'll just take one'!



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On 4/12/2019 09:29, Tony Langdon -> David Drummond wrote:

Were you thinking of moving to one of those locations when you apply
for you node number?

The ZMH for those places is relevant to what Fidonet zone they're
listed in. Once you know that you can determine their ZMH from the data
in P4.

It's not rocket science.

But it's likely to involve rocket science to get BBSs setup in a couple of those locations! (you have to launch the parts somehow ;) ).

This is LL we're talking about - nothing is beyond him.

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On 12-07-19 07:35, David Drummond wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

This is LL we're talking about - nothing is beyond him.

LOL 'nuff said. :D


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