Tactical nuke? What do you think?
"While we don't know for sure what caused the explosion in Beirut....
It's relatively difficult for a fire to trigger an ammonium nitrate
Tactical nuke? What do you think?
"While we don't know for sure what caused the explosion in Beirut....
It's relatively difficult for a fire to trigger an ammonium nitrate
Nah, they're not saying the explosion wasn't ammonium nitrate, just that they're questioning whether it was due only to the fire. Pretty sure it's going to end up just being a case of a series of really bad mistakes and poor handling. Heck, look what happened in Halifax in WWI with explosives that weren't just haphazardly stored, and during a time people were very used to handling such things.
A terrorist organization, such as Hezbollah, certainly should have
known better than to continually building store a 2,750-ton stockpile
A terrorist organization, such as Hezbollah, certainly should have
known better than to continually building store a 2,750-ton stockpile
Very probably, but in my experience if a given problem can be reasonably explained by ignorance or incompetence, that's more often than not the reality.
3.5 short tons (3,200 kg or 7,000 pounds)
There is video of the explosion in Beirut. There is also video of explosions caused by tactical nukes. It is almost impossible to tell
the difference. Maybe impossible. How can anybody know for sure if
it really was ammonium nitrate that caused the explosion?
Lee Lofaso wrote to Kostie Muirhead <=-
There is video of the explosion in Beirut. There is also video of explosions caused by tactical nukes. It is almost impossible to
tell the difference. Maybe impossible. How can anybody know for
sure if it really was ammonium nitrate that caused the explosion?
There is video of the explosion in Beirut. There is also video of
explosions caused by tactical nukes. It is almost impossible to tell
the difference. Maybe impossible. How can anybody know for sure if
it really was ammonium nitrate that caused the explosion?
I'd imagine that the fact the apparent damage suggests an explosive yeild that roughly lines up with the amount of Ammonium Nitrate thought to be stored would be a pretty good indication ;)
3.5 short tons (3,200 kg or 7,000 pounds)
Just out of curiosity, why in Heavens name are you still trying to invent measurements that are out of sync with the rest of the world?
Can't you at least join the rest of the world on the metric ton?
you dumb fuck.
You're stupid, even by troll standards.
You're stupid, even by troll standards.
Can someone punch this excessively annoying troll-sysop in the mouth, please ;) Other ideas to make him shut up are also appreciated.
Just think what would have happened had Timothy McVeigh been able
to squash that much ammonium nitrate inside a truck. He could have
taken out an entire city, rather than just one building.
Or at least a few city blocks.
Oli wrote to All <=-
You're stupid, even by troll standards.
Can someone punch this excessively annoying troll-sysop in the
mouth, please? ;) Other ideas to make him shut up are also
appreciated.
There is video of the explosion in Beirut. There is also video of
explosions caused by tactical nukes. It is almost impossible to
tell the difference. Maybe impossible. How can anybody know for
sure if it really was ammonium nitrate that caused the explosion?
By using forensic science, you dumb fuck. Quite easy to find out.
You're stupid, even by troll standards.
you dumb fuck.
You're stupid, even by troll standards.
Can someone punch this excessively annoying troll-sysop in the mouth, please? ;) Other ideas to make him shut up are also appreciated.
I showed him a few video clips of various explosians so he could
learn what the discussion is about. Video of an atomic bomb fireball,
the explosian in Beirut, and an explosian caused by a tactical nuke.
But other than standing in the middle of such an explosian, I doubt
he will recognize anything at all.
Dan Clough wrote (2020-08-13):
you dumb fuck.
You're stupid, even by troll standards.
Can someone punch this excessively annoying troll-sysop in the mouth, please? ;) Other ideas to make him shut up are also appreciated.
Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-
I showed him a few video clips of various explosians so he could
learn what the discussion is about. Video of an atomic bomb fireball,
the explosian in Beirut, and an explosian caused by a tactical nuke.
But other than standing in the middle of such an explosian, I doubt
he will recognize anything at all.
While it may look the same from a distance, measurements on the
spot will tell the difference. Use a Geiger counter and you will
know right away. A nuclear explosion leaves radio activity, a
chemical explosion does not. No way to obfusciate that.
I showed him a few video clips of various explosians so he could
learn what the discussion is about. Video of an atomic bomb fireball,
the explosian in Beirut, and an explosian caused by a tactical nuke.
But other than standing in the middle of such an explosian, I doubt
he will recognize anything at all.
Can't you at least join the rest of the world on the metric ton?
Because this is America. And in America, we do things different.
Can't you at least join the rest of the world on the metric ton?
Because this is America. And in America, we do things different.
Yeah, well, I guess it's a well kept secret that your archaic
measurements are defined with the metric system -- rather than with
the various body-parts of former kings and emperors?
Yeah, well, I guess it's a well kept secret that your archaic
measurements are defined with the metric system -- rather than with
the various body-parts of former kings and emperors?
Lol. Seriously, I don't see a big problem there.
Yeah, well, I guess it's a well kept secret that your archaic
measurements are defined with the metric system -- rather than with
the various body-parts of former kings and emperors?
Lol. Seriously, I don't see a big problem there.
Right. With 4% of the world population using a totally different system,
incompatible with the universal standard, what could possibly go wrong? Especially with international projects.
Can't you at least join the rest of the world on the metric ton?
Because this is America. And in America, we do things different.
Yeah, well, I guess it's a well kept secret that your archaic
measurements are defined with the metric system -- rather than with
the various body-parts of former kings and emperors?
Lol. Seriously, I don't see a big problem there.
Yeah, well, I guess it's a well kept secret that your archaic
measurements are defined with the metric system -- rather than
with the various body-parts of former kings and emperors?
Lol. Seriously, I don't see a big problem there.Right. With 4% of the world population using a totally
different system,
But... I thought you said it was a nuke?Lol. Seriously, I don't see a big problem there.
Right. With 4% of the world population using a totallyI don't think whoever dumped thousands of tons of fertilizer in a
different system, incompatible with the universal standard, what
could possibly go wrong? Especially with international projects.
hole in Beirut over a fifty year period of time was worried about
what kind of measurement units they were using.
Right. With 4% of the world population using a totally different system, incompatible with the universal standard, what could possibly
go wrong? Especially with international projects.
I don't think whoever dumped thousands of tons of fertilizer in a
hole in Beirut over a fifty year period of time was worried about
what kind of measurement units they were using.
Hello Björn,
On Sunday August 16 2020 09:01, you wrote to Wayne Harris:
Right. With 4% of the world population using a totally different system, incompatible with the universal standard, what could possibly
go wrong? Especially with international projects.
An airplane running out of fuel and crashing because the captain
ordered 5000 kg of fuel and the ground crew delivered 5000 pounds?
A Mars lander crashing because of a mix up of feet and metres?
Michiel van der Vlist - Björn Felten <0@5555.280.2> writes:
Hello Björn,
On Sunday August 16 2020 09:01, you wrote to Wayne Harris:
Right. With 4% of the world population using a totally different
system, incompatible with the universal standard, what could
possibly
go wrong? Especially with international projects.
An airplane running out of fuel and crashing because the captain
ordered 5000 kg of fuel and the ground crew delivered 5000 pounds?
A Mars lander crashing because of a mix up of feet and metres?
Without all due respect, sir, are you serious?
Without all due respect, sir, are you serious? If people might be
ordered 5000 kg and deliver 5000 pounds, they might just as well mistake 5000 for 50000 too.
Hey, we have 25% of the COVID-19 cases though! So.. Take that!
Bjrn Felten wrote to Mike Miller <=-
Hey, we have 25% of the COVID-19 cases though! So.. Take that!
There is that of course. And you also have more than 60
million educated(?) grown-ups, that still think that the Trump is
the best that's happened since sliced bread.
You truly are a strange breed of people...
You truly are a strange breed of people...
That may be true, but..... we think the same thing about you Euro-commie-sheeple.
Probably all that freedumb we haveHey, we have 25% of the COVID-19 cases though! So.. Take that!There is that of course. And you also have more than 60 million educated(?) grown-ups, that still think that the Trump is the best
that's happened since sliced bread.
You truly are a strange breed of people...
You truly are a strange breed of people...
Probably all that freedumb we have
That may be true, but..... we think the same thing about you
Euro-commie-sheeple.
Bjorn is another fucknut to completely ignore.
Nick Andre wrote to Dan Clough <=-
You truly are a strange breed of people...
That may be true, but..... we think the same thing about you Euro-commie-sheeple.
Bjorn is another fucknut to completely ignore.
I sometimes get him confused with his sock puppet, the
Lofaso-troll.
Bjorn is another fucknut to completely ignore.
Don't test for diseases and they won't exist. Don't perform pregnancy tests and no kids will be born. Ignore dissenting opinions and everyone will agree with you.
what could possibly go wrong? Especially with international
projects.
An airplane running out of fuel and crashing because the captain
ordered 5000 kg of fuel and the ground crew delivered 5000 pounds? A
Mars lander crashing because of a mix up of feet and metres?
Without all due respect, sir, are you serious?
If people might be ordered 5000 kg and deliver 5000 pounds, they might just as well mistake 5000 for 50000 too.
To a scientist, whether you use the metric system or the imperial
system it seems a small detail. To the population, though, it would
be a major project to go for such a change and I don't actually see
much benefit.
-- Ah, I see! If you take the kids seating at two of these smaller[..]
2/3-girl-tables and put them all together at this larger table,
you
end up with a table where 4/6 kids are girls, from which we may
safely deduce that 2/3 + 2/3 = 4/6. Right?!
Now, I don't know what you'll make of this story.
You truly are a strange breed of people...
That may be true, but..... we think the same thing about you Euro-commie-sheeple.
Probably all that freedumb we have
Nick Andre wrote to Dan Clough <=-
I sometimes get him confused with his sock puppet, the
Lofaso-troll.
Its more of a fleshlight than a sock puppet...
Lol. Seriously, I don't see a big problem there.
Right. With 4% of the world population using a totally
different system, incompatible with the universal standard, what
could possibly go wrong? Especially with international projects.
I don't think whoever dumped thousands of tons of fertilizer in a
hole in Beirut over a fifty year period of time was worried about
what kind of measurement units they were using.
But... I thought you said it was a nuke?
Without all due respect, sir, are you serious? If people might be
ordered 5000 kg and deliver 5000 pounds, they might just as well
mistake 5000 for 50000 too.
Seriously? A pilot mistaken 5000 for 50000? You don't have a pilot's licence
I assume? I happen to have one even though it's been expired...
Now, I don't know what you'll make of this story.
Bjorn is another fucknut to completely ignore.
Don't test for diseases and they won't exist. Don't perform pregnancy
tests and no kids will be born. Ignore dissenting opinions and everyone
will agree with you.
And if you happen to be infected, just inject bleach, and everything will go
away -- just like magic.
"15 cases, will go to zero. We have it all under control."
"In April, it'll all go away, like magic." Don't listen to the scientists, listen to me. I'm a Very Stable Genius. But no, I'll NOT show you my grades from school. My five times draught dodging will be enough!
Yeah, as I said, they really are a strange species over there. I sure as
hell (like you I guess) am lucky to have a huge pond between those strange creatures and myself.
Just imagine what would have happened if a single one of their reporters
had made a follow-up story of all the five bankruptcy cases he's been involved with. Would they still elect a president to handle their economy? Yeah, well, maybe. Their gene pool seems to have some dire need of bleach injection...
That may be true, but..... we think the same thing about you
Euro-commie-sheeple.
Bjorn is another fucknut to completely ignore.
Don't test for diseases and they won't exist. Don't perform pregnancy tests
and no kids will be born. Ignore dissenting opinions and everyone will agree with you.
Can't you at least join the rest of the world on the metric ton?
Because this is America. And in America, we do things different.
Yeah, well, I guess it's a well kept secret that your archaic measurements are defined with the metric system -- rather than with the various body-parts of former kings and emperors?
I don't think whoever dumped thousands of tons of fertilizer in a
hole in Beirut over a fifty year period of time was worried about
what kind of measurement units they were using.
Of course not. They are using the global standard. DUH...
Unless you are trying to say that it's been one huge CIA conspiracy?
Probably all that freedumb we haveDoes freedumb has anything to do with the stupidity that the
people not wanting free medical care shows?
I pity all of you who are ruined by medical bills that we in
the free world would never even dream of -- we get totally free
welfare and never even have to contemplate if we would spend a
$2000 ambulance to take us to a hospital for a $5000 treatment
plus a $10000 release fee.
Over here it usually sums up to less than a total of EUR10
admin fee. No need to take a second mortgage on your home here.
How's that for security...? Can you even imagine that kind of
security for you and your family?
We can. All of us 500 million "Euro-commie-sheeple" can. Don't
you wish that you can too? Seriously?
Sometimes I can't tell if you're the best troll I ever met, or the worst.I don't think whoever dumped thousands of tons of fertilizer in
a hole in Beirut over a fifty year period of time was worried
about what kind of measurement units they were using.
But... I thought you said it was a nuke?Somebody used a nuke to detonate the fertilizer. An investigation
is being conducted to find out who done it. Stay tuned. If a body
is found, you will be the first to know ...
Hello Wayne,
On Monday August 17 2020 17:45, you wrote to me:
what could possibly go wrong? Especially with international
projects.
An airplane running out of fuel and crashing because the captain
ordered 5000 kg of fuel and the ground crew delivered 5000 pounds? A
Mars lander crashing because of a mix up of feet and metres?
[With] all due respect, sir, are you serious?
Björn asked what could possible go wrong and I gave two examples of something actually going wrong. I didn't make that up, these are real
life examples. Sure I am serious.
If people might be ordered 5000 kg and deliver 5000 pounds, they might just as well mistake 5000 for 50000 too.
Unlike Björn I never had a pilot license myself, but my father had one
and I spend many hours in the right seat acting as his informal
copilot. I can tell you that while people can always make mistakes, it certainly is not that easy to mistake 5000 kg for 50000 kg of fuel and
let the mistake go unnoticed until it is too late...
To a scientist, whether you use the metric system or the imperial
system it seems a small detail. To the population, though, it would
be a major project to go for such a change and I don't actually see
much benefit.
People often do not see the benefits until they actually are the
situation. I sure see the benefits of not having to deal with of local measuring systems and I am very glad my predesessors of a 100 years
ago did see it that way too and acted on it by doing away with local measurements and adopting a universal system.
You know, here in Europe two or three hundred years ago, we had local measuring systems. We "Rijnlandes voet, "Utrechtse voet", "Amsterdamse
duim". Etc, etc. Napoleon ended that and he introduced the meter end
the kg. And science, technology and trade accepted it. I sure see the benfits.
From a global POV, you guys across are still using local measurements....
-- Ah, I see! If you take the kids seating at two of these smaller[..]
2/3-girl-tables and put them all together at this larger table,
you
end up with a table where 4/6 kids are girls, from which we may
safely deduce that 2/3 + 2/3 = 4/6. Right?!
Now, I don't know what you'll make of this story.
All I can say is that I am glad that half a century ago I decided that teaching was not my thing and I avoided a carreer in education...
But, you know, eagles and flags and doing what you want is more
important than giving half a crap about anyone that you don't know, here.
But let's ask this. Must the population change their units because
pilots might get things wrong? I'd think the pilots should change join the standard and let people drink their pint of beer.
Nowadays it's much more a matter of global communications in the
social community. Take for instance Youtube videos about cooking. When
the "recipe" calls for Fahrenheit, Cups, Pounds, Ounces and whatever,
it addresses less than 4% of the world -- and most of the up-loaders aren't even aware of this? They think that they are using global
units?
Good point. When I see a recipe using non-metric units, I just
move on. I am of course capable of doing the conversion, but it is
just not worth the effort. Recipes are not a scarce commodity, I
can easely find one using metric units...
Hello Björn,
On Wednesday August 19 2020 05:49, you wrote to Wayne Harris:
Nowadays it's much more a matter of global communications in the social community. Take for instance Youtube videos about cooking. When the "recipe" calls for Fahrenheit, Cups, Pounds, Ounces and whatever,
it addresses less than 4% of the world -- and most of the up-loaders aren't even aware of this? They think that they are using global
units?
Good point.
When I see a recipe using non-metric units, I just move on. I am of
course capable of doing the conversion, but it is just not worth the
effort. Recipes are not a scarce commodity, I can easely find one
using metric units...
Good point. When I see a recipe using non-metric units, I just
move on. I am of course capable of doing the conversion, but it
is just not worth the effort. Recipes are not a scarce commodity,
I can easely find one using metric units...
But doing in this way you miss the Janis's recipes.
And let me say that it's a real sin, them are delicious! (said by an Italian used to eat Italian food.) ;)
When I see a recipe using non-metric units, I just move on. I am of
course capable of doing the conversion, but it is just not worth the
effort. Recipes are not a scarce commodity, I can easely find one
using metric units...
Exactly. That's the market doing its job.
... the US struggles to maintain their own measures.
Nowadays it's much more a matter of global communications in the social community.
Take for instance Youtube videos about cooking.
When the "recipe" calls for Fahrenheit, Cups, Pounds, Ounces and whatever, it addresses less than 4% of the world -- and most of the up-loaders aren't
even aware of this?
They think that they are using global units?
The Imperial System is the one thing that divides USA from the rest of the world. Ask yourself, who benefits from this? Follow the dollar...
Nowadays it's much more a matter of global communications in the
social community. Take for instance Youtube videos about cooking. When
the "recipe" calls for Fahrenheit, Cups, Pounds, Ounces and whatever,
it addresses less than 4% of the world -- and most of the up-loaders
aren't even aware of this? They think that they are using global
units?
But let's ask this. Must the population change their units because
pilots might get things wrong? I'd think the pilots should change join
the standard and let people drink their pint of beer.
Good point. No, it's no longer a matter of life and death -- most people that matters know perfectly well that the US struggles to maintain their own measures.
Nowadays it's much more a matter of global communications in the social community. Take for instance Youtube videos about cooking. When the "recipe" calls for Fahrenheit, Cups, Pounds, Ounces and whatever, it addresses less than 4% of the world -- and most of the up-loaders aren't even aware of this? They think that they are using global units?
The Imperial System is the one thing that divides USA from the rest of the world. Ask yourself, who benefits from this? Follow the dollar...
Good point. When I see a recipe using non-metric units, I just
move on. I am of course capable of doing the conversion, but it is
just not worth the effort. Recipes are not a scarce commodity, I
can easely find one using metric units...
But doing in this way you miss the Janis's recipes.
And let me say that it's a real sin, them are delicious! (said by an Italian
used to eat Italian food.) ;)
(Sorry for the off-topic) :)
Bjrn asked what could possible go wrong and I gave two examples of
something actually going wrong. I didn't make that up, these are
real life examples. Sure I am serious.
I believe you and concede. However, we could surely argue here that
it's really not clear the units are the problem. If you work with multiple units, it becomes your job to verify. Still, see below.
But let's ask this. Must the population change their units because
pilots might get things wrong? I'd think the pilots should change
join the standard and let people drink their pint of beer.
People often do not see the benefits until they actually are in the
situation. I sure see the benefits of not having to deal with of
local measuring systems and I am very glad my predesessors of a 100
years ago did see it that way too and acted on it by doing away with
local measurements and adopting a universal system.
That sounds reasonable. If an American puts himself in your shoes,
he'd grow up in a culture that's using a universal system. He would perhaps be thankful as you are. If you put yourself in an American's shoes, you'd have grown up in a culture that's using the imperial
system. Perhaps you'd want to change it! That's very likely to happen because that is happening! Indeed, you wouldn't see the benefits of
_not_ changing because you're not their situation! :-D (Don't take it personally. I am having fun, but not at your expense. Seriously.)
You know, here in Europe two or three hundred years ago, we had
local measuring systems. We had "Rijnlandes voet, "Utrechtse voet",
"Amsterdamse duim". Etc, etc. Napoleon ended that and he introduced
the meter end the kg. And science, technology and trade accepted it.
I sure see the benfits.
That makes perfect sense. Let's take UTF-8 --- if you're the Internet type of person. Nearly everyone in Western countries are using it.
It makes a lot of things work well.
I was remarking just the other day that I can never quite understand
which encoding Bjrn is using. Sometimes it displays just fine, but
there are places in Bjorn's own messages that do not.
From a global POV, you guys across are still using local
measurements....
You think I'm an American! :-)
Global units. What are global units? The imperial system is used throughout the world. The metric system is also used throughout the
world. There are also other systems that are used throughout the
world. So what makes a system truly global?
Global units. What are global units? The imperial system is used
throughout the world. The metric system is also used throughout the
world. There are also other systems that are used throughout the
world. So what makes a system truly global?
Sorry to blast your bubble. No, your imperial system is *NOT* used throughout the world. You are confusing "used" with "knowing about it but shaking head and ignoring it".
What makes the metric system truly global? The global standardization committee of course! Duh!
It's called the SI because of it's international origin (not related to the
oranges that your illiterate POTUS is talking about over and over again, mind you).
The International System of Units = the modern form of the metric system.
In all the schools around the world (except in one country) this is the system that the next generations are taught.
Bjrn asked what could possible go wrong and I gave two examples of
something actually going wrong. I didn't make that up, these are
real life examples. Sure I am serious.
I believe you and concede. However, we could surely argue here that
it's really not clear the units are the problem. If you work with
multiple units, it becomes your job to verify. Still, see below.
But let's ask this. Must the population change their units because
pilots might get things wrong? I'd think the pilots should change
join the standard and let people drink their pint of beer.
MvdV> happenPeople often do not see the benefits until they actually are in the
situation. I sure see the benefits of not having to deal with of
local measuring systems and I am very glad my predesessors of a 100
years ago did see it that way too and acted on it by doing away with
local measurements and adopting a universal system.
That sounds reasonable. If an American puts himself in your shoes,
he'd grow up in a culture that's using a universal system. He would
perhaps be thankful as you are. If you put yourself in an American's
shoes, you'd have grown up in a culture that's using the imperial
system. Perhaps you'd want to change it! That's very likely to
because that is happening! Indeed, you wouldn't see the benefits of
_not_ changing because you're not their situation! :-D (Don't take it
personally. I am having fun, but not at your expense. Seriously.)
You know, here in Europe two or three hundred years ago, we had
local measuring systems. We had "Rijnlandes voet, "Utrechtse voet",
"Amsterdamse duim". Etc, etc. Napoleon ended that and he introduced
the meter end the kg. And science, technology and trade accepted it.
I sure see the benfits.
That makes perfect sense. Let's take UTF-8 --- if you're the Internet
type of person. Nearly everyone in Western countries are using it.
It makes a lot of things work well.
I was remarking just the other day that I can never quite understand
which encoding Bjrn is using. Sometimes it displays just fine, but
there are places in Bjorn's own messages that do not.
From a global POV, you guys across are still using local
measurements....
You think I'm an American! :-)
What about doctors who administer lethal doses of meds for those who
are sentenced to death?
What about doctors who administer lethal doses of meds for those who
are sentenced to death?
What about living in a country where it's illegal to kill someone -- including using the social monopoly of power? Most countries have such a law, you know...?
An airplane running out of fuel and crashing because the captain ordered 5000 kg of fuel and the ground crew delivered 5000 pounds?How about a pilot ordering 5000 lb of fuel, but then out of fear of landing, fly for over 24 hours, circling the runway, pissing off the traffic control. I can just here them asking him, "If you don't want to land, then PLEASE Leave the runway space!" and him saying "I can't, my fuel light has been on for the last 15 minutes!"
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