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Table of Contents
1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1
Freedom of Speech ........................................ 1
2. ADAM'S COLUMN - ADAM PARK ................................ 2
Land of Devastation Grind Guide Pt4 ...................... 2
3. LIST OF FIDONET IPV6 NODES ............................... 5
List of IPv6 nodes ....................................... 5
4. JAMNNTPD SERVERS LIST .................................... 8
The Johan Billing JamNNTPd project ....................... 8
5. FIDONEWS'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ...................... 9
6. SPECIAL INTEREST ......................................... 16
Statistics from the Fidoweb .............................. 16
Nodelist Stats ........................................... 17
7. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 19
How to Submit an Article ................................. 19
Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability .................. 21

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EDITORIAL =================================================================

Freedom of Speech

This subject seems to be more and more difficult to understand by some
people for each year that passes. Not only in FidoNet but worse than
that, all over the entire world.

Freedom of Speech is, like all freedoms, binary. Either you have it
or you do not. There is no middle way.

Voltaire (François-Marie Arouet) did not actually say it, it was
Evelyn Beatrice Hall that interpreted his thoughts this way:

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your
right to say it."

Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot, Kim Il-sung and all other
dictators we know of were all in favour of Freedom of Speech. As long
as that speech did not oppose to what they regarded as proper.

I'm constantly reminded of what a bad person I am to allow this or
that user to execute his Freedom of Speech in the FIDONEWS echo. "Ban
him!" shouts the crowd. I.e. "No more Freedom of Speech here, unless
we like it!"

Can't you really see what you are saying? Is it really that hard to
press the Next key if you find someone opposing to what you regard as
proper?

After all, nobody is forcing you to read anything. Neither in a
FidoNet echo nor on Twitter, FaceBook, Fox News or wherever. Surely
you have more important matters to be upset with, or even angry with,
in your lives?

Once again:

Freedom of Speech is, like all freedoms, binary. Either you have it
or you do not.

It's your choice, be sure to choose well. Once you've lost it, it
can take ages to get it back, if ever.




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ADAM'S COLUMN - ADAM PARK =================================================================

Land of Devastation Grind Guide Pt 4
Adam Park 1:134/302

****
Welcome to our continuing series examaning the epic door game from the
90s, Land of Devastation. Check out previous issues of Fidonews for
parts you may have missed!
****


Coming/published sections:

1) About
**In Issue - Volume 38 No. 20**

2) General Gameplay Guidelines
**In Issue - Volume 38 No. 21**

3) Shopping Recommendations
**In Issue - Volume 38 No. 22**

4) Stat Points
4a) Overview of Sources of Stat Points
4b) How to Distribute Stat Points for this Build
*We are HERE*

5) Combat Strategy

6) Tables
6a) Leveling Order
6b) Key Purchase Order

7) Grind Guide
7a) Zone 1
7b) Zone 2
7c) Drugs: Everything in Moderation
7d) Zone 3
7e) Zone 4
7f) Zone 5
7g) Shrine of Hercules
7h) Zone 6
7i) Endgame content

8) Supplemental Information

** And now for this week's content: **

4) Stat Points

4a) Overview of Sources of Stat Points

- The main way to get stats is by leveling, where you pick how to
assign 5 stat points per level; NEVER bother with the money option.

- Further to leveling, there are three other ways to raise stats:
through stat fountains, a laptop ROM and drugs.

- There are 3 stat enhancing fountains in the game, two are in Sacre
Base; one gives +5 dex and the other +5 agl. One fountain much later,
in the Shrine of Hercules gives +25 strength; this also works out well
for my build as it neglects strength until late-game. In total stat
fountains give 35 stat points, equivalent to 7 levels.

- You can also find a Tetris laptop ROM which will add 4 poits to your
dex, a nice bonus considering you'll just find this randomly, and
relatively easily.

- Drugs, in the mid-to-later game, are an extremely effective way of
raising your stats. In my sample run-through of the game, I gained 44
stat points, equal to nearly 9 levels in stats. A word of warning: If
the proper procedure for raising stats through drugs is not followed,
you risk permanently screwing up your character; raising your stat
points the safe and correct way, however, will be quite costly, thus
why it is a mid-to-later game endeavour. Make sure to read my section
on drug use carefully.

- In addition to stat points received by levelling, you will see a
guaranteed 39 stat points from fountains and the ROM, and, with a
little luck, in the neighbourhood of 44 from drugs, for a total, in my
case, of 83 stat points, over 16 levels worth; pretty significant when
you consider that you're in the endgame around level 45-50.


4b) How to Distribute Stat Points for this Build

- Dexterity is by far the most important stat for this build, which I
believe is the most effective build. Dexterity increases your average
short and long range damage by making you hit more often, whereas
strength, by comparison, only increases average short range damage by increasing the damage when on hit; it is, furthermore, less
consistent. By the mid-game, you will have a long-range weapon with
3-burst mode, and a grenade launcher, but the price of that is that
its attacks will be less accurate, so having a high dexterity is vital
to making the best of it. While it is easy to upgrade the damage of
your weapons simply by upgrading them, there is no way to upgrade
their accuracy until you're able to afford very expensive upgrades,
which you will still need even with this dexterity-based build.

- Agility is the second-best stat, but the saying "a little goes a
long way" applies, as you will experience diminishing returns in each
zone for how much dexterity you have. That is to say, at first points
give you a much better chance to dodge enemies close to your level,
then less and less as you increase the stat, so there's a limit to how
much agility you really need to bother with per zone. (It's a relative calculation compared to your opponent's dexterity).

- Hit Points are the third-best stat. By the mid to late game, armor +
shield + agility will mean you are hit very seldom, say, 10-15% of the
time, but for when you are, you will want to have enough hit points to
survive a couple of hits from most enemies.

- Strength is the least important stat until very late in the game,
especially since you receive 25 free strength from a fountain, but
only 5 free dexterity and agility. Once you start being able to
consistently hit enemies in the highest zone with most of your gun's
burst mode, and levels get easier (oddly enough) to grind, it's worth
putting some focus in strength to increase your short-range damage.

- The coming tables in section 6 contain level-by-level specifics.

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LIST OF FIDONET IPV6 NODES =================================================================

List of IPv6 nodes
By Michiel van der Vlist, 2:280/5555

Updated 5 June 2021


Node Nr. Sysop Type Provider Remark

1 2:280/464 Wilfred van Velzen Native Xs4All f
2 2:280/5003 Kees van Eeten Native Xs4All f
3 2:5019/40 Konstantin Kuzov T-6in4 he.net f
4 2:280/5555 Michiel van der Vlist Native Ziggo f
5 1:320/219 Andrew Leary Native Comcast f
6 2:221/1 Tommi Koivula Native Hetzner f
7 2:221/6 Tommi Koivula Native OVH
8 2:5053/54 Denis Mikhlevich Native TTK-Volga
9 2:5030/257 Vova Uralsky Native PCextreme
10 1:154/10 Nicholas Bo‰l Native Spectrum f
11 2:203/0 Bj”rn Felten T-6in4 he.net
12 2:280/5006 Kees van Eeten Native Xs4All f INO4
13 3:712/848 Scott Little T-6in4 he.net f
14 2:5020/545 Alexey Vissarionov Native Hetzner f
15 1:103/17 Stephen Hurd T-6in4 he.net
16 2:5020/9696 Alexander Skovpen T-6in4 TUNNELBROKER-0
17 2:421/790 Viktor Cizek T-6in4 he.net
18 2:222/2 Kim Heino Native TeliaSonera
19 3:633/280 Stephen Walsh Native AusNetServers f
20 2:463/877 Alex Shuman Native Nline f IO
21 1:19/10 Matt Bedynek T-6in4 he.net
22 3:770/1 Paul Hayton T-6in4 he.net
23 2:5053/58 Alexander Kruglikov Native TTK-Volga f
24 1:103/1 Stephen Hurd Native Choopa
25 3:633/281 Stephen Walsh Native Internode
26 2:310/31 Richard Menedetter Native DE-NETCUP f
27 3:633/410 Tony Langdon Native IINET
28 2:5020/329 Oleg Lukashin Native Comfortel f
29 2:246/1305 Emil Schuster Native TAL.DE
30 2:2448/4000 Tobias Burchhardt Native DTAG IO
31 2:331/51 Marco d'Itri Native BOFH-IT
32 1:154/30 Mike Miller Native LINODE
33 2:5001/100 Dmitry Protasoff Native OVH
34 2:5059/38 Andrey Mundirov T-6in4 he.net
35 2:240/5853 Philipp Giebel Native Hetzner
36 2:5083/444 Peter Khanin Native OVH
37 2:2452/413 Ingo Juergensmann Native RRBONE-COLO f
38 1:123/10 Wayne Smith T-6in4 he.net
39 2:4500/1 Eugene Kozhuhovsky Native DATAHATA6
40 1:135/300 Eric Renfro Native Amazon.com
41 1:103/13 Stephen Hurd Native Choopa
42 2:5020/1042 Michael Dukelsky Native FORPSI Ktis f
43 2:5095/0 Sergey V. Efimoff T-6in4 he.net
44 2:5095/20 Sergey V. Efimoff T-6in4 he.net
45 4:902/26 Fernando Toledo T-6in4 he.net 6DWN
46 2:5019/400 Konstantin Kuzov Native LT-LT
47 2:467/239 Mykhailo Kapitanov Native Vultr f
48 2:463/1331 Andrei Dzedolik Native DIGITALOCEAN
49 2:5010/275 Evgeny Chevtaev T-6in4 TUNNELBROKER-0 f
50 2:5020/736 Egor Glukhov Native RUWEB f
51 2:280/2000 Michael Trip Native Xs4All
52 2:230/38 Benny Pedersen Native Linode
53 2:460/58 Stas Mishchenkov T-6in4 he.net f
54 1:135/367 Antonio Rivera Native RRSW-V6
55 2:5020/2123 Anton Samsonov T-6in4 he.net
56 2:5020/2332 Andrey Ignatov Native ru.rtk
57 2:5005/49 Victor Sudakov T-6in4 he.net f
58 2:5005/77 Valery Lutoshkin T-6in4 NTS f
59 2:5005/106 Alexey Osiyuk T-6in4 he.net f
60 2:5057/53 Ivan Kovalenko Native ER-Telecom f
61 2:5010/352 Dmitriy Smirnov Native EkranTV f
62 2:292/854 Ward Dossche Native Proximus OO
63 2:469/122 Sergey Zabolotny T-6in4 he.net f
64 2:5053/400 Denis Mikhlevich Native TTK-Volga
65 1:135/371 Eric Renfro Native Cox Cmmunctns
66 2:421/21 Stepan Gabriel Native NETDATACOMM
67 2:5030/1997 Alexey Fayans T-6in4 he.net
68 1:220/70 Joseph Werle T-6in4 he.net
69 2:5061/15 Eugene Gladchenko Native ARUBAUK-NET
70 2:2452/502 Ludwig Bernhartzeder Native DTAG
71 2:423/39 Karel Kral Native WEDOS
72 2:5080/102 Stas Degteff T-6to4 NOVATOR
73 2:280/1049 Simon Voortman Native Solcon
74 1:102/127 Bradley Thornton Native Hetzner
75 2:335/364 Fabio Bizzi Native IT-ALBACOM
76 1:124/5016 Nigel Reed Native DAL1-US f
77 2:5020/843 Peter Antonov Native BelCloud
78 2:5075/37 Andrew Komardin Native IHC-NET
79 1:153/146 Erich Bublitz Native LINODE-US
80 1:106/633 William Williams Native LINODE-US PM *1
81 2:263/5 Martin List-Petersen Native TuxBox DOWN
82 2:5030/1520 Andrey Geyko T-6in4 he.net f
83 1:229/664 Jay Harris Native Rogers
84 1:142/103 Brian Rogers T-6in4 he.net
85 1:134/101 Kostie Muirhead Native Hurricane El. f
86 2:280/2030 Martien Korenblom Native Transip
87 3:633/509 Deon George Native Telstra
88 2:5020/4441 Yuri Myakotin Native SOVINTEL
89 1:320/319 Andrew Leary Native Comcast f
90 2:240/5824 Anna Christina Nass T-6in4 he.net f
91 2:460/5858 Stas Mishchenkov T-6in4 he.net f HOLD
92 1:105/5 Michael Pierce Native Comcast
93 1:218/401 James Downs Native ORG-TT1
94 2:5030/3165 Serg Podtynnyi Native DIGITALOCEAN
95 2:301/812 Benoit Panizon Native WOODYV6
96 1:229/616 Vasily Losev Native GIGEPORT
97 2:301/113 Alisha Manuela Stutz T-6in4 he.net
98 2:5035/63 Vladimir Goncharov Native RFEIV6NET
99 1:134/100 Kostie Muirhead Native Hurricane El. f
100 1:134/102 Shelley Petersen Native Hurricane El. f INO4
101 1:134/103 Gordon Muirhead Native Hurricane El. f
102 1:134/302 Adam Park Native Hurricane El. f
103 1:134/301 Brandon Moore Native Hurricane El. f INO4
104 1:153/7715 Dallas Hinton Native Shaw Comms.


T-6in4 Static 6in4
T-AYIY Dynamic AYIYA
T-6to4 6to4
T-6RD 6RD

Remarks:

f Has a ::f1d0:<zone>:<net>:<node> style host address.
(zone, net, node in decimal notation)
IO Incoming only (Node can not make outgoing IPv6 calls)
OO Outgoing only (Node can not accept incoming IPv6 calls).
INO4 No IPv4 (Node can not accept incoming IPv4 calls).
PO4 Prefers Out on 4 (Node can make outgoing IPv6 calls,
but is configured to try IPv4 first)
6DWN The IPv6 connectivity of this node is temporarely down.
NO6 The node no longer presents an IPv6 address in the nodelist
and will soon be removed from this list.
HOLD The node is temporarely off-line. Mail may be routed.
DOWN This node is Down for both IPv4 and IPv6 and will be
removed from this list if the condition pertains.
PM Prospective Member. The node has demonstrated IPv6
capability but is not listed or does not advertise an
IPv6 address in the Fidonet nodelist yet.

PM *1 [2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fe2b:c319]


Notes:

To make an IPv6 connection to a node connected via 6to4 tunneling
one may have to force the mailer into IPv6 (-6 option in binkd's
node config for binkd up to 1.1a-96, -64 option for binkd 1.1a-97
and up when compiled with AF_FORCE=1). If the destination address
is a 6to4 tunnel address (2002::/16) many OSs default to IPv4 if
an IPv4 address is present.


Submitted on day 157

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SPECIAL INTEREST =================================================================

Last week's statistics from the Fidoweb
By EchoTime, 2:203/0

(Some nets may have lost their last
digit for technical reasons)

pkt (toss-toss) msg (write-toss)
nodes mean dev no mean dev no

154/* 7.4m 12.0m 587 1.1h 3.6h 586
221/* 0.8m 2.2m 617 5.0h 7.8h 620
280/* 0.6m 2.3m 587 6.7h 6.5h 587
292/* 3.6m 1.9m 22 5.1h 7.8h 21
310/* 20.3m 1.7m 2 0.0h 0.0h 2
320/* 2.2m 1.3m 228 2.7h 6.9h 228
423/* 1.6m 0.1m 2 0.2h 0.2h 2
502/* 0.4m 0.0m 2 0.3h 0.4h 2

Sigma 2.8m 7.3m 2047 4.1h 6.7h 2048

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Nodelist Stats

Input nodelist nodelist.155
size 188.6kb
date 2021-06-04

The nodelist has 1039 nodes in it
and a total of 1500 non-comment entries

including 4 zones
33 regions
175 hosts
69 hubs
admin overhead 281 ( 27.05 %)

and 110 private nodes
31 nodes down
39 nodes on hold
off line overhead 180 ( 17.32 %)


Speed summary:

>9600 = 45 ( 4.33 %)
9600 = 194 ( 18.67 %)
(HST = 3 or 1.55 %)
(CSP = 0 or 0.00 %)
(PEP = 0 or 0.00 %)
(MAX = 0 or 0.00 %)
(HAY = 0 or 0.00 %)
(V32 = 82 or 42.27 %)
(V32B = 18 or 9.28 %)
(V34 = 94 or 48.45 %)
(V42 = 82 or 42.27 %)
(V42B = 19 or 9.79 %)
2400 = 1 ( 0.10 %)
1200 = 0 ( 0.00 %)
300 = 799 ( 76.90 %)

ISDN = 34 ( 3.27 %)

-----------------------------------------------------
IP Flags Protocol Number of systems -----------------------------------------------------
IBN Binkp 808 ( 77.77 %) ----------------------------------
IFC Raw ifcico 85 ( 8.18 %) ----------------------------------
IFT FTP 60 ( 5.77 %) ----------------------------------
ITN Telnet 168 ( 16.17 %) ----------------------------------
IVM Vmodem 17 ( 1.64 %) ----------------------------------
IP Other 4 ( 0.38 %) ----------------------------------
INO4 IPv6 only 4 ( 0.38 %) ----------------------------------

CrashMail capable = 896 ( 86.24 %)
MailOnly nodes = 325 ( 31.28 %)
Listed-only nodes = 23 ( 2.21 %)



[Report produced by NETSTATS - A PD pgm]
[ Revised by B Felten, 2:203/2]
[ NetStats 3.8 2014-11-23]

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Freedom of Speech is, like all freedoms, binary. Either you have it
or you do not. There is no middle way.

And lying is just an ultimate form of freedom of speech ...

\%/@rd

--- DB4
* Origin: Hou het veilig, hou vol. Het komt allemaal weer goed (2:292/854)

07 Jun 2021 03:11, you wrote to All:

@CHRS: CP850 2

[...]

Voltaire (François-Marie Arouet) did not actually say it, it was

^
I noticed that the encoding does not match, so the ‡ (c-cedilla) is mangled. Looks like it was actually written with latin-1.

Carlos
--- GoldED+/W32-MSVC 1.1.5-b20180707
* Origin: costa blanca, Spain (2:341/234.1)

Hello Carlos,

On Monday June 07 2021 17:12, you wrote to FidoNews Robot:

Voltaire (Fran‡ois-Marie Arouet) did not actually say it, it

^
I noticed that the encoding does not match, so the ‡ (c-cedilla) is mangled. Looks like it was actually written with latin-1.

Your observation is correct. This problem is:

A) A relic of the ASCII only era of Fidonet.

B) The failure of the Fidonet community to deal with extended character sets in a consistent way.

The problem often manifests itself when article contain text copied and pasted from the Internet. A logical solution would be that the Fidonews editor issues an edict that says alll articles submitted should be in either plain ASCCI or in UTF-8.


Cheers, Michiel

--- GoldED+/W32-MSVC 1.1.5-b20170303
* Origin: http://www.vlist.org (2:280/5555)

07 Jun 2021 17:27, you wrote to me:

Voltaire (François-Marie Arouet) did not actually say it, it

^

Did you edit and correct the quoted text when replying?

I noticed that the encoding does not match, so the ç (c-cedilla)
is mangled. Looks like it was actually written with latin-1.

Your observation is correct. This problem is:

A) A relic of the ASCII only era of Fidonet.

B) The failure of the Fidonet community to deal with extended
character sets in a consistent way.

The problem often manifests itself when article contain text copied
and pasted from the Internet. A logical solution would be that the Fidonews editor issues an edict that says alll articles submitted
should be in either plain ASCCI or in UTF-8.

UTF-8 would be fine, I suppose... but maybe it's a bit soon for this. :-)

BTW, I hadn't re-read the submission guidelines. It's already there: ASCII is required or encouraged (though not strictly "plain ASCII")

Anyway, I would suggest to the editor that the robot doesn't post the Snooze to this echo using a specific @CHRS kludge... or at least it is converted to match it.

Carlos
--- GoldED+/W32-MSVC 1.1.5-b20180707
* Origin: costa blanca, Spain (2:341/234.1)

Anyway, I would suggest to the editor that the robot doesn't post the Snooze to this echo using a specific @CHRS kludge... or at least it is converted to match it.

Your suggestion is received. The subject has been contemplated for many, many years (I've been here for almost two decades now) and the present solution is the one that those of us testing various alternatives ended up with being the lowest common denominator so to say.

Any other suggestions are welcome. After all, I'm the one that have the source code by Peter Krefting presently used with posting the articles as echomail that you now enjoy, so I can make any suggested changes within a weeks notice.




..

--- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; sv-SE; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20101125
* Origin: news://eljaco.se (2:203/2)

Hello Carlos,

On Monday June 07 2021 21:30, you wrote to me:

Voltaire (Fran‡ois-Marie Arouet) did not actually say it, it

^

Did you edit and correct the quoted text when replying?

I used control J in golded to override the translation imposed by the CHRS kludge.

The problem often manifests itself when article contain text
copied and pasted from the Internet. A logical solution would be
that the Fidonews editor issues an edict that says alll articles
submitted should be in either plain ASCCI or in UTF-8.

UTF-8 would be fine, I suppose... but maybe it's a bit soon for this.
:-)

Since only one encoding can be used for all of Fidonews, anything other than UTF-8 would disciminate against some.

BTW, I hadn't re-read the submission guidelines. It's already there:
ASCII is required or encouraged (though not strictly "plain ASCII")

Confusing... What is 'not strictly "plain ASCII"'?

Anyway, I would suggest to the editor that the robot doesn't post the Snooze to this echo using a specific @CHRS kludge... or at least it is converted to match it.

That may work for the echo, it would not work for the magazine published as a file.


Cheers, Michiel

--- GoldED+/W32-MSVC 1.1.5-b20170303
* Origin: http://www.vlist.org (2:280/5555)

Michiel,

That may work for the echo, it would not work for the magazine published
as a file.

There's a regular nodelist and a UTF8-nodelist (version zone-2).

Maybe the editor could plan to have the original format Fidonews and also publish a UTF8-format?

<famous quote> ... "how difficult can it be?"

\%/@rd
--- DB4
* Origin: Hou het veilig, hou vol. Het komt allemaal weer goed (2:292/854)

Michiel wrote (2021-06-07):

MvdV> Since only one encoding can be used for all of Fidonews, anything other
MvdV> than UTF-8 would disciminate against some.

Come one. It's _FIDO_news. CP437 is great! We need pretty line-drawing symbols. UTF-8 = ageism.

BTW, I hadn't re-read the submission guidelines. It's already there:
ASCII is required or encouraged (though not strictly "plain ASCII")

MvdV> Confusing... What is 'not strictly "plain ASCII"'?

"There can only be one" ASCII.

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* Origin: . (2:280/464.47)

07 Jun 2021 21:37, you wrote to me:

Voltaire (François-Marie Arouet) did not actually say it,

^

Did you edit and correct the quoted text when replying?

I used control J in golded to override the translation imposed by the
CHRS kludge.

Ah, ok. That did confuse me, had to check the .PKT to be sure :-)

BTW, I hadn't re-read the submission guidelines. It's already
there: ASCII is required or encouraged (though not strictly
"plain ASCII")

Confusing... What is 'not strictly "plain ASCII"'?

Anything < 127, I suppose.

Carlos
--- GoldED+/W32-MSVC 1.1.5-b20180707
* Origin: costa blanca, Spain (2:341/234.1)

Hi, Carlos Navarro!
I read your message from 08.06.2021 23:24

CN>>> Did you edit and correct the quoted text when replying?
CN>
MV>> I used control J in golded to override the translation
MV>> imposed by the CHRS kludge.
CN>
CN> Ah, ok. That did confuse me, had to check the .PKT to be sure
CN> :-)
CN>>> BTW, I hadn't re-read the submission guidelines. It's
CN>>> already there: ASCII is required or encouraged (though
CN>>> not strictly "plain ASCII")
CN>
MV>> Confusing... What is 'not strictly "plain ASCII"'?
CN>
CN> Anything < 127, I suppose.

< 128 probably

ASCII == "American Standard Code for Information Interchange", and they
don't need more symbols in the US. ;)

Bye, Carlos!
Alexander Koryagin
fido.fidonews 2021
--- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0
* Origin: Usenet Network (2:5075/128.130)

10 Jun 2021 10:14, you wrote to me:

Confusing... What is 'not strictly "plain ASCII"'?

Anything < 127, I suppose.

< 128 probably

Anyway I made a typo - I should have written >127

ASCII == "American Standard Code for Information Interchange", and
they don't need more symbols in the US. ;)

I know... :-)

Carlos
--- GoldED+/W32-MSVC 1.1.5-b20180707
* Origin: Costa Blanca, Spain (2:341/234)

Am 10.06.21 schrieb alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 in FIDONEWS:

Hallo alexander,

ASCII == "American Standard Code for Information Interchange", and they don't need more symbols in the US. ;)

But is it ASCII-1963, ASCII-1965 or ASCII-1968? :)

Regards,
Anna

--- OpenXP 5.0.50
* Origin: Imzadi Box Point (2:240/5824.1)

Hi, Anna Christina Nass!
I read your message from 10.06.2021 12:58

ASCII == "American Standard Code for Information
Interchange", and they don't need more symbols in the US. ;)

But is it ASCII-1963, ASCII-1965 or ASCII-1968? :)

ASCII with 256 symbols probably may be called not plain but extended?

Bye, Anna!
Alexander Koryagin
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alexander wrote (2021-06-13):

Hi, Anna Christina Nass!
I read your message from 10.06.2021 12:58

ASCII == "American Standard Code for Information
Interchange", and they don't need more symbols in the US. ;)

But is it ASCII-1963, ASCII-1965 or ASCII-1968? :)

ASCII with 256 symbols probably may be called not plain but extended?

People might think there is some character set that is the Extended ASCII. But there is only ASCII and several extensions to ASCII. The ASCII doesn't even know which extension was applied. Is it IBM 866, 437, 850? You could also say these are all distinct character sets which uses ASCII as the first 128 code points.

Fortunately we now have UTF-8. So we only need to know the difference between Unicode and UTF-8 and how the unsupported Python2 code can be ported to the fucking insane UTF-8 support in Python3.

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Am 13.06.21 schrieb alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 in FIDONEWS:

Hallo alexander,

ASCII == "American Standard Code for Information
Interchange", and they don't need more symbols in the US. ;)

But is it ASCII-1963, ASCII-1965 or ASCII-1968? :)

ASCII with 256 symbols probably may be called not plain but extended?

Yes, it is.
But I did not mean any "codepages" or sth. like that, but the *revisions*
of ASCII.
The first one was introduced in 1963 (and is the base for PETSCII btw),
then came one revision in 1965 and the final one in 1968, which is still
in use for the first 128 symbols.

I just wanted to point out that "ASCII" can, if you want to be picky, mean different things :)

Regards,
Anna

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