Hello,

Is there a way to influence the output of FileFix/AreaFix when referring to the list of existing areas?

Currently, the descriptions of the areas do not have a fixed distance from the name of the area.

Example:

AreaName1 ...... Description
AreaName123 ...... Description
...

This creates a problem in transferring the list into the area manager at WinPoint, as the description always appears in different places after the area name.


Tschuesz,

Siggi

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Hey Siggi!

On Sun, Feb 02 2025 07:24:58 -0600, you wrote:

Is there a way to influence the output of FileFix/AreaFix when
referring to the list of existing areas?

I'm not sure about this, but I doubt it.

Currently, the descriptions of the areas do not have a fixed distance
from the name of the area.

Example:

AreaName1 ...... Description
AreaName123 ...... Description
...

This creates a problem in transferring the list into the area manager
at WinPoint, as the description always appears in different places
after the area name.

hpt's filefix/areafix has nothing to do with WinPoint's area manager. WinPoint's area manager is a completely separate entity, needing it's own config and formatting. It's probably not as simple as just copy/pasting from one to the other.

If you get an areafix/filefix response with a list of your areas, you could use Golded to save the message as a text file to your hard drive. Then edit it to make it look like you want it to.

Otherwise, if WinPoint supports importing fidonet.na style format, or areas.bbs format, or any of the other known methods for importing message areas and descriptions into other applications, that's probably a better way to go.

Regards,
Nick

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Hello Siggi!

02 Feb 25, Siggi Schoenicke wrote to All:

Currently, the descriptions of the areas do not have a fixed distance
from the name of the area.

Example:

AreaName1 ...... Description
AreaName123 ...... Description

From my point of view the distance is fixed. ;-)

Regards

Kai

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Hello Nick,

02 Feb 25 08:25, Nick Boel schrieb an Siggi Schoenicke:

...

On Sun, Feb 02 2025 07:24:58 -0600, you wrote:

Is there a way to influence the output of FileFix/AreaFix when
referring to the list of existing areas?

I'm not sure about this, but I doubt it.

Currently, the descriptions of the areas do not have a fixed
distance from the name of the area.

Example:

AreaName1 ...... Description
AreaName123 ...... Description
...

This creates a problem in transferring the list into the area
manager at WinPoint, as the description always appears in different
places after the area name.

hpt's filefix/areafix has nothing to do with WinPoint's area manager.

I'm already aware of that.

...

If you get an areafix/filefix response with a list of your areas, you could use Golded to save the message as a text file to your hard
drive. Then edit it to make it look like you want it to.

Of course that would also work...

I always compare with FastEcho and Filescan, which both send an ordered list as an email, always with the same decorum between area and description. And is then integrated into WinPoint with 2-3 clicks ;-)

Then my query has been answered, thank you.

Tschuesz,

Siggi

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Hey Siggi!

On Mon, Feb 03 2025 05:46:40 -0600, you wrote:

Example:

AreaName1 ...... Description
AreaName123 ...... Description
...

Following up on this, I just did an areafix request from my BBS to my HPT hub, and it looks like your example above is incorrect.

What I see here on a 80 character wide terminal is basically a left justified areatag with a whitespace after, then right justified descriptions, in quotes, with a whitespace before the open quote, then periods in between them:

*S AFTERSHOCK .......................... "Aftershock Android Client Support" *S ALL-POLITICS ....................................... "Politics Unlimited" *S ALLFIX_FILE ........................... "Allfix File Announce Conference"

...

So there is definitely some formatting going on, it's just not what WinPoint needs.. correct?

Is your areafix response different from mine? If so, maybe there were some formatting changes of this output between 2020 and 2024 (our hpt version differences in years).

I always compare with FastEcho and Filescan, which both send an
ordered list as an email, always with the same decorum between area
and description. And is then integrated into WinPoint with 2-3 clicks
;-)

HPT also seems to send an ordered list via netmail. It's just not the same order that FastEcho, Filescan, or WinPoint use. I see why you are asking this, but there are other methods to achieve the list you want:

If I remember right, some (or all) of these scripts may even come with the husky sources, or at least might have at one time; I've had them for a long time, so I don't remember ;):

fconf2na.pl - This one is probably what you're looking for. That should change your fidoconf 'areas' file to a FIDONET.NA format, which I *think* would produce what you're looking for.

Then there are others (fconf2aquaed, fconf2areasbbs.pl, fconf2binkd, fconf2fidogate, fconf2golded, fconf2msged, fconf2squish, fconf2tornado, fecfg2fconf, etc).

Then my query has been answered, thank you.

I honestly don't think copy/pasting a netmailed areafix response is the proper way to go about this, even though with some other tossers you are able to do that with. All of the above scripts I mentioned do exactly what you're looking for, and for multiple formats (FIDONET.NA is probably one of the most common, though, and might even be what FastEcho, Filescan, and WinPoint are based on).

In case you don't see it in the sources, give this a shot and let me know how it goes:

https://pharcyde.org/fconf2na.pl

Regards,
Nick

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Hello Nick,


03 Feb 25 19:05, Nick Boel schrieb an Siggi Schoenicke:

...

On Mon, Feb 03 2025 05:46:40 -0600, you wrote:

...

What I see here on a 80 character wide terminal is basically a left justified areatag with a whitespace after, then right justified descriptions, in quotes, with a whitespace before the open quote, then periods in between them:

*S AFTERSHOCK .......................... "Aftershock Android Client Support" *S ALL-POLITICS ....................................... "Politics Unlimited" *S ALLFIX_FILE ...........................
"Allfix File Announce Conference"

...

So there is definitely some formatting going on, it's just not what WinPoint needs.. correct?

Correct.

...

fconf2na.pl - This one is probably what you're looking for. That
should change your fidoconf 'areas' file to a FIDONET.NA format, which
I *think* would produce what you're looking for.

...

I honestly don't think copy/pasting a netmailed areafix response is
the proper way to go about this, even though with some other tossers
you are able to do that with. All of the above scripts I mentioned do exactly what you're looking for, and for multiple formats (FIDONET.NA
is probably one of the most common, though, and might even be what FastEcho, Filescan, and WinPoint are based on).

In case you don't see it in the sources, give this a shot and let me
know how it goes:

https://pharcyde.org/fconf2na.pl

I have the file now, thanks.

Unfortunately I'm having problems implementing that ;-)

The file is in my home (Linux) as is the file with the areas which is integrated into HPT.

What is the correct call to create an areas.na from the areas file, for example? I'm not getting that right now :-(

Tschuesz,

Siggi

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Hello Nick,

05 Feb 25 11:46, Siggi Schoenicke schrieb an Nick Boel:

...

What is the correct call to create an areas.na from the areas file,
for example? I'm not getting that right now :-(

I have it! Forgot to make the script executable ;-)

Thanks for pointing out the file.

Tschuesz,

Siggi

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Hey Siggi!

On Wed, Feb 05 2025 10:58:40 -0600, you wrote:

What is the correct call to create an areas.na from the areas file,
for example? I'm not getting that right now :-(

I have it! Forgot to make the script executable ;-)

Thanks for pointing out the file.

Of course! I hope it did exactly what you wanted it to. :)

Regards,
Nick

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