Hey Pythagoras!

Unicode Character hex name
U+03CD Ï cf 8d GREEK SMALL LETTER UPSILON WITH TONOS

Life is good,
Maurice

... Don't cry for me I have vi.
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On 2019 Jul 05 00:03:08, you wrote to Pythagoras:

@MSGID: 1:153/7001 5d1e93bd
@CHRS: UTF-8 4
Hey Pythagoras!

Unicode Character hex name
U+03CD Ï cf 8d GREEK SMALL LETTER UPSILON WITH TONOS

this one got broken along the long path below...

@PATH: 153/7001 757 250 770/1 280/464 154/10 3634/12

)\/(ark

And to this end they built themselves a stupendous super-computer which was
so amazingly intelligent that even before its data banks had been connected
up it had started from "I think therefore I am" and got as far as deducing
the existence of rice pudding and income tax before anyone managed to turn
it off.
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Hello mark,

this one got broken along the long path below...

@PATH: 153/7001 757 250 770/1 280/464 154/10 3634/12

That's discouraging!

Maurice:
Can you send on of these messages in the e-test area so mark can see the results and we'll know if anything bad is happening at my node?

Ttyl :-),
Al

... Atheism is a non-prophet organization.
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Hallo Alan!

Can you send on of these messages in the e-test area so mark can
see the results and we'll know if anything bad is happening at my
node?

Yes I can but first I'd like to take tonight off.

Secondly is the format more or less what we're looking for?

Thirdly all three paths of just one at a time? I found the three at a time very confusing and have not gotten a handle on it. Some of mark's quoted characters were tampered with (dropped trailing bytes) even though he claimed they were good at his end. I'd like to cross reference those and see if it was
something between that deleted them and not at his end.

I think this might take a little more activity to narrow this down so the e-test echoarea should be the way to go. Also I need to check if I have access
to that echoarea from the EuroPoint. Give me a day and I hopefully will be better prepared than I was for this initial test of FTN-ish triangulation. Seems like it should be of assistance.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

... Huil niet om mij, ik heb vi.
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Hello Maurice,

Can you send on of these messages in the e-test area so mark can
see the results and we'll know if anything bad is happening at my
node?

Yes I can but first I'd like to take tonight off.

Take all the time you need, I'm in no hurry but it would be good to get the facts around all this.

Secondly is the format more or less what we're looking for?

Yep, in this case I am just trying to make sure my node isn't doing anything unwanted. We might need to change the format as we move along to where we are going.

Thirdly all three paths of just one at a time? I found the three at a time very confusing and have not gotten a handle on it. Some of
mark's quoted characters were tampered with (dropped trailing bytes)
even though he claimed they were good at his end. I'd like to cross reference those and see if it was something between that deleted them
and not at his end.

If possible (might take some doing) we would want different paths to see how things happen at different points along the road.

I think this might take a little more activity to narrow this down so
the e-test echoarea should be the way to go. Also I need to check if
I have access to that echoarea from the EuroPoint. Give me a day and
I hopefully will be better prepared than I was for this initial test
of FTN-ish triangulation. Seems like it should be of assistance.

I think the e-test area is more or less the net 3634 test area, so it's not on the backbone but available to those who link at 1:3634/12 (is that right mark?).

If we could get interested parties linked there (or another suitable area) we could get some facts together.

Ttyl :-),
Al

... Luxuriantly hand-crafted from only the finest ASCII.
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On 2019 Jul 04 20:00:58, you wrote to me:

this one got broken along the long path below...

@PATH: 153/7001 757 250 770/1 280/464 154/10 3634/12

That's discouraging!

Maurice:
Can you send on of these messages in the e-test area so mark can see the results and we'll know if anything bad is happening at my node?

it happens after your node, AFAIK...
your 153/757 is running hpt, correct?
wilfred's 280/464 is a known good entity...
it isn't 154/10, either... the short path came through there...
it isn't my main system, 3634/12 since all the mail for this point comes via there...

that leaves 153/250 and 770/1...

153/250 is running Mystic 1.12A42
not sure what 770/1 is running... it answers with binkd...

)\/(ark

And to this end they built themselves a stupendous super-computer which was
so amazingly intelligent that even before its data banks had been connected
up it had started from "I think therefore I am" and got as far as deducing
the existence of rice pudding and income tax before anyone managed to turn
it off.
... There may be trial marriages but there are no trial children.
---
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On 2019 Jul 04 21:39:48, you wrote to Maurice Kinal:

I think this might take a little more activity to narrow this down so
the e-test echoarea should be the way to go. Also I need to check if
I have access to that echoarea from the EuroPoint. Give me a day and
I hopefully will be better prepared than I was for this initial test
of FTN-ish triangulation. Seems like it should be of assistance.

I think the e-test area is more or less the net 3634 test area, so it's

not

on the backbone but available to those who link at 1:3634/12 (is that

right

mark?).

my E-TEST echo is a testing area my hub provides for those that link here... this is so they can test the first hop works as desired... then they can move on to connecting other areas and completing their feed configuration once they know their outgoing mail will reach my hub system...

)\/(ark

And to this end they built themselves a stupendous super-computer which was
so amazingly intelligent that even before its data banks had been connected
up it had started from "I think therefore I am" and got as far as deducing
the existence of rice pudding and income tax before anyone managed to turn
it off.
... We do not accept reservations...but we do honor dibs.
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Hallo Alan!

If we could get interested parties linked there (or another
suitable area) we could get some facts together.

Whatever works is fine for me. At the moment only 1:153/7001 is connected and I'll send a test via that node and we'll take it from there.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

... Huil niet om mij, ik heb vi.
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Hello mark,

it happens after your node, AFAIK...
your 153/757 is running hpt, correct?

Yes. Have you seen UTF-8 encoded messages pass through 1:153/757 unaltered?

wilfred's 280/464 is a known good entity...
it isn't 154/10, either... the short path came through there...
it isn't my main system, 3634/12 since all the mail for this point
comes via there...

that leaves 153/250 and 770/1...

153/250 is running Mystic 1.12A42
not sure what 770/1 is running... it answers with binkd...

770/1 is running Fastecho. I believe FE is also a known good entity, although it strips seen-bys when tossing to an out of zone link.

Change is brewing there but it hasn't happened yet.

Ttyl :-),
Al

... 75%, no, 72% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20180707
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On 2019 Jul 06 10:22:12, you wrote to me:

it happens after your node, AFAIK... your 153/757 is running hpt,
correct?

Yes. Have you seen UTF-8 encoded messages pass through 1:153/757

unaltered?

yes... maurice's that arrive here directly via there...

153/250 is running Mystic 1.12A42
not sure what 770/1 is running... it answers with binkd...

770/1 is running Fastecho. I believe FE is also a known good entity, although it strips seen-bys when tossing to an out of zone link.

ahh, yeah... i don't recall all of its processing quirks, though... sad since i
ran it for so many years... the seenby stripping on interzone echomail, i do remember... that should be an option... toby is still around but i don't know if he can set up the original development environment any more to fix the bugs... i think RL has a firm grip on him, too...

Change is brewing there but it hasn't happened yet.

yup! the key is to make folks aware of the problems and to get the maintainer of the problematic software to fix it in a timely manner...

)\/(ark

And to this end they built themselves a stupendous super-computer which was
so amazingly intelligent that even before its data banks had been connected
up it had started from "I think therefore I am" and got as far as deducing
the existence of rice pudding and income tax before anyone managed to turn
it off.
... I tried to contain myself, but I escaped!
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Hello Alan!

06 Jul 19 10:22, you wrote to mark lewis:

770/1 is running Fastecho. I believe FE is also a known good entity, although it strips seen-bys when tossing to an out of zone link.

FastEcho also has a problem with the .PKT forwarding function. I sent details to Tobias Burchhardt a few months back, but he wasn't hopeful that he would be able to fix it.

Andrew

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On 2019 Jul 06 16:34:04, you wrote to Alan Ianson:

FastEcho also has a problem with the .PKT forwarding function.

PKT Forwarding??

/me goes rummaging for the fastecho docs...

is that section 5.4.7.14?

)\/(ark

And to this end they built themselves a stupendous super-computer which was
so amazingly intelligent that even before its data banks had been connected
up it had started from "I think therefore I am" and got as far as deducing
the existence of rice pudding and income tax before anyone managed to turn
it off.
... Laugh and the world laughs with you...fart and you stand alone.
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Hello Andrew,

770/1 is running Fastecho. I believe FE is also a known good
entity, although it strips seen-bys when tossing to an out of
zone link.

FastEcho also has a problem with the .PKT forwarding function. I sent details to Tobias Burchhardt a few months back, but he wasn't hopeful
that he would be able to fix it.

One of the nodes I connect with also contacted Tobias about the seen bys being stripped when tossing to an out of zone link and got a similar response. I think Tobias would make changes if he could but that may not be possible today.

The last time FE was released ('96ish) that was the way it needed to be.

Ttyl :-),
Al

... All syllogisms contain three parts, therefore this is not a syllogism
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