It is now Sunday, 16 December 2018 (20:00 UTC)
The period to contest results has ended.

No challenges have been received.




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No challenges have been received.

Ehr ....

"What prevented you from answering in netmail? Now everyone knows that long 256-bit hash was used by me, so the confidentiality of the voting has to be considered as compromised.

If that were a single vote for me (as it was for Carol), I wouldn't give a single fuck. However, there are other people supporting me as a candidate,
and the difference between me and Andrew is just one vote, so I think we have to repeat with another enumerator".

So everybody is OK that the above challenge is discarded and not counted while 2 votes went unaccounted for in the final tally?

Oh dear ... what are there elections for then?

\%/@rd

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Oh dear ... what are there elections for then?

To keep up the traffic in the echo of course. DUH...



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Give it a break, Ward!



16 Dec 18 21:38, Ward Dossche wrote to All:

So everybody is OK that the above challenge is discarded

According to the rules of this election, it WAS NOT a challange.

Challanges are to be submitted by NetMail to 1:132/174 in the time frame given in the rules. What you quoted was EchoMail in this area.

2 votes went unaccounted for in the final tally?

I would mention them in the Final tally (to be posted tomorrow) if i thought you wouldn't cry foul again.

Those two "votes" were discussed in this area so that everyone who cares already knows what happened. I contacted both of those voters by NetMail and neither one had complaints about what was done.

Oh dear ... what are there elections for then?

To give you a chance to flex your muscles?

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Oh dear ... what are there elections for then?

To keep up the traffic in the echo of course. DUH...

Plus the postings of moderator rules ...

\%/@rd

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Re: Re: FTSC Administrator
By: Ward Dossche to All on Sun Dec 16 2018 09:38 pm

So everybody is OK that the above challenge is discarded and not counted while 2 votes went unaccounted for in the final tally?

Doesn't bother me (*not* an FTSC member).

Oh dear ... what are there elections for then?

So that grown men and women and play government! Isn't this fun?!?
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To keep up the traffic in the echo of course. DUH...

Plus the postings of moderator rules ...

Nah, that's usually only one message per month. Just a piss in hell.



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Oh dear ... what are there elections for then?

So that grown men and women can play government! Isn't this fun?!?

What a coincident. I've already chosen the Food for Thoughts quote for this week's issue of Fidonews, published in just a couple of hours. Please read it, it reflects another theory. 8-)




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Good ${greeting_time}, Fred!

16 Dec 2018 15:51:16, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

So everybody is OK that the above challenge is discarded

According to the rules of this election, it WAS NOT a challange.

Really?

Challanges are to be submitted by NetMail to 1:132/174 in the
time frame given in the rules. What you quoted was EchoMail in
this area.

Excellent... "challenges are accepted only in netmail, where they can be rejected safely". Were some "incorrect" votes rejected the same way?


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Excellent... "challenges are accepted only in netmail, where they can be rejected safely". Were some "incorrect" votes rejected the same way?

Please Alexey, the world does not stop spinning because of the outcome of a totally insignificant FTSC chair election. Get a grip already, and let's move on!




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Excellent... "challenges are accepted only in netmail, where they can be rejected safely". Were some "incorrect" votes rejected the same way?

Indeed ... I would like to know :

* How many votes were cast
* How many votes were registered at the enumerator's site
* How do we know the ballot was not stuffed with fake passwords?
Releasing the names of the voters without linking to the password would
take care of thqt
* How many votes were rejected and for what reason
* How many challenges were received ... None? Says who? Prove it!

This was a very poorly managed election. If I were the victor I would not accept the task and immediately call for another election, more transparant and

with a vote verifier ...

Amazing that the FTSC-members allow this to happen in plain view of every listed sysop.

Just imagine if in R24 (Germany) there would be an election and 20% of the votes is unaccounted for ... and a challenge swept under the carpet ... it would be a revolution...

\%/@rd

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Bjorn,

Please Alexey, the world does not stop spinning because of the outcome
of a totally insignificant FTSC chair election. Get a grip already, and let's move on!

If I were you, I'd be concerned to find-out what happned to my vote which was caught by a black hole.

This time it's an insignificant FTSC-chair election, tomorrow it might be worthwhile.

\%/@rd

--- D'Bridge 3.99 SR40
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This time it's an insignificant FTSC-chair election, tomorrow it might
be worthwhile.

There's no such thing as an election worthwhile, that's an illusion that all

the powers (big or small) wants us piss-ant little populace to believe.

"Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time."

-- Winston Churchill, 11 November 1947



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Bjorn,

There's no such thing as an election worthwhile, that's an illusion
that all the powers (big or small) wants us piss-ant little populace to believe.

Yet you attempted to cast a vote.

"Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of
Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from
time to time."

-- Winston Churchill, 11 November 1947

... written not too long after he lost power and had to vacate the political scene. What have we often said about people not being able to cope with their own demise and like to slam the door shut while exiting ...

\%/@rd

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Yet you attempted to cast a vote.

And yet I told my friend Fred, that I cared shit about weather it was counted or not. "My" candidate won, but even if he hadn't I still would care shit about it.

.. written not too long after he lost power and had to vacate the political scene. What have we often said about people not being able to cope with their own demise and like to slam the door shut while exiting

...

Don't forget that elections, supposedly worthwhile, gave the world ignorant idiots like GWB and the Trump. I rest my case...

With a PhD in, inter alia, maths I have more trust in the wisdom of the crowd than that of people voting in "worthwhile" elections.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisdom_of_the_crowd



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With a PhD in, inter alia, maths I have more trust in the wisdom of the crowd than that of people voting in "worthwhile" elections.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisdom_of_the_crowd

Sorry, this was the link that I intended to post:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sortition




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With a PhD in, inter alia, maths I have more trust in the wisdom of
the crowd than that of people voting in "worthwhile" elections.

You have a PhD in math?

I have friends ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisdom_of_the_crowd

It was a crowd that got Trump in office.

\%/@rd

--- D'Bridge 3.99 SR40
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You have a PhD in math?

Plus physics, astronomy and pedagogy as my majors, yes. I intended to become

a high-school professor. But first the military (12 months of mandatory conscription) and then my first-born child came in between. Suddenly I rather became a provider.

I have friends ...

I still hope you count me in? 8-)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisdom_of_the_crowd

It was a crowd that got Trump in office.

Far from a statistically appropriate one. That's what sortition could have solved much better than the supposedly democratic election did.



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17 Dec 18 19:40, Alexey Vissarionov wrote to Fred Riccio:

So everybody is OK that the above challenge is discarded

According to the rules of this election, it WAS NOT a challange.

Really?

Read the rules. They were posted here.

Excellent... "challenges are accepted only in netmail,

You helped write those rules. Why wait until now to gripe about them? I just followed what was given to me.

where they can be rejected safely".

Your words, not mine or part of the rules.



There were NO challenges. If you think there were, provide logs and I will investigate. Anyone who submitted challenges are invited to post their logs here showing when they were delivered to me. We can discuss it in public.

Were some "incorrect" votes rejected the same
way?

You haven't been paying attention.

Ward, our unofficial vote verifier, made rejected and/or missing votes public.

I invited anyone who had a problem with a rejected vote to bring it up here to be discussed and... silence.

Show me the logs of votes being delivered, but not counted. If this actually happened, they should have been challenged but weren't.

The election is over. The time frame to submit challenges is over. The voters

have spoken.

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17 Dec 18 21:30, Ward Dossche wrote to Alexey Vissarionov:

Indeed ... I would like to know :

* How many votes were cast
* How many votes were registered at the enumerator's site
* How do we know the ballot was not stuffed with fake passwords?
Releasing the names of the voters without linking to the password
would
take care of thqt
* How many votes were rejected and for what reason
* How many challenges were received ... None? Says who? Prove it!

I'm tired of your silly games.

Under the rules of this election, you are not entitled to challenge the results.

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Yes, Fred, you were saying ...

I'm tired of your silly games.

They are not games as I've got no vested interest in this but you are unable to

provide several of the replies ...

Here are some of these ...

* How many votes were cast

You have no idea

* How many votes were registered at the enumerator's site

Officially 8

* How do we know the ballot was not stuffed with fake passwords?

We don't. As there's no vote-verifier there could've easily been no vote
at all and every password could have been stuffed. Lack of transparancy.

Releasing the names of the voters without linking to the password
would take care of that

This would do no harm to the process, no votes would be revealed

* How many votes were rejected and for what reason

I'm guessing Sean Dennis came in too late because of the late sending in
a time-frame spanning 2 weeks.

It would've been easy to say:

"Votes rejected due to time-overrun: 1"

But really, you do know but we don't and even if we did there is no
verification

* How many challenges were received ... None? Says who? Prove it!

There's no way you can prove there were no challenges. No vote verifier.

Under the rules of this election, you are not entitled to challenge the results.

As an answer to legitimate questions that is one of the poorest ones I've ever seen. I'm not challenging the results, merely asking questions and the logical result would be "OK guys, this really looks bad. Let's rethink the rules and do

this again".

It's not that the FTSC is going to drop dead if there's an extention of the prevailing situation for a month or two ...

\%/@rd

--- D'Bridge 3.99 SR40
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I'm tired of your silly games.

Under the rules of this election, you are not entitled to challenge the results.


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On 2018 Dec 16 21:38:52, you wrote to All:

No challenges have been received.

Ehr ....

"What prevented you from answering in netmail? Now everyone knows that

long

256-bit hash was used by me, so the confidentiality of the voting has to

be

considered as compromised.

If that were a single vote for me (as it was for Carol), I wouldn't give a single fuck. However, there are other people supporting me as a candidate, and the difference between me and Andrew is just one vote, so I think we have to repeat with another enumerator".

So everybody is OK that the above challenge is discarded

i don't read that as a challenge... i just don't see verbiage denoting it as a challenge... it appears to be a couple of statements but not a challenge as one

might such to be worded... we won't even mention that challenges are/were to be

sent via netmail ;)

and not counted while 2 votes went unaccounted for in the final tally?

really? at least one looked like it was posted after the time period but i'd have to go back and look at the posts to see...

Oh dear ... what are there elections for then?

screwing with yer head -=B-)

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Hello everybody!

My current term as FTSC Administrator is expiring soon. I am willing to serve another term if needed. Is anyone else interested in the position? If so, please let me know as I will need to get an election organized.

Andrew

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Hello everybody!

Anyone interested should respond here or send me NetMail.

Andrew

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