Hello everybody.

Since I am the n00b of the group, I am probably the only one who truly needs

to step out there and campaign. I shot an email to Donald, asking for funds and

have not heard back from him - so a road trip to your states and countries is not looking promising.

Pros

* I am a full-time programmer, developing Mailers, Tossers, BBS Doors, BBS software and Utilties 7 days a week. I am able to do this full time, as I messed up my body years ago working 140 to 150 weeks for almost a year straight. Now, I have a real struggle in staying away... I passout about every 3 hours. This as I have been told is not an acceptable disability, as I could do things to make income... which I am working on too... developing an accounting system to compete with QuickBooks, PeachTree, Great Plains, etc.

* I am not political at all. I grew-up in Bitburg Germany. Military Brat. Have

the Yes Sir, No Sir, down pat.

* I am actively developing solutions from my past and try to apply them to Fido to see if they could improve protocols, structures.

* Personally, this is an honorable title - meaning, I will be updating my online resumes to reflect my involvement (if elected). While never really using

Fidonet to it's fullest (global communications with routed netmails)... I have always contributed on my own nickle. When I was 1:362/288 - I bought the first Planet Connect Dish, and pulled *everything* into a PAY-FOR-FIDONET for free. I

even worked with Planet Connect, developing the UPI news feed on their end.

* Anyway, I will try my best to be an asset to the committee and look forward to helping where I can, and however I am needed.

* I also look at FTN as a solution, providing a path for other networks to exist. And currently I am involved in 5 of the 7 networks I am a member of. So,

I get to hear in echos where anything goes - complaints, questions, etc.

Cons

* Terrible Speller - luckily Google is always open on another monitor - so I try to double check words or phrases that I say but, need to verify.

* I do not always double check my writing, so sometimes the hands out type what I am thinking, and memory muscle steps in. In this roll, I will have to force myself to always double check myself, as I double check others.

* I have been known to mis-quote a terminology as I try to ask a question. However, both time Mark Lewis had stepped in and pointed out my mistake (thanks).

If you read all the way down to here - I appreciate your time, so thank you! Ozz

+++ This advertisement was brought to you on the shoe-string budget of Ozz Nixon. And has been approved by Ozz Nixon, not related to "The ex-President Richard M. Nixon", but a brother Richard E. Nixon. Come election time, get out there and make a difference! *G*

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Hello Ozz,

Since I am the n00b of the group, I am probably the only one who truly needs to step out there and campaign. I shot an email to Donald, asking for funds
and have not heard back from him - so a road trip to your states and countries
is not looking promising.

I know who you are, not that we have conversed a lot but just from reading you in the net.

No road trips will be needed.. :)

Pros

* I am a full-time programmer, developing Mailers, Tossers, BBS Doors, BBS software and Utilties 7 days a week.

The main goal of the FTSC is to document current practice. Practices have a tendency to change over time so the documents need to keep up with that.

That's a little different than developing software but probably just as challenging.

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Hello Alan.

11 Feb 19 13:18, you wrote to me:

Pros

* I am a full-time programmer, developing Mailers, Tossers, BBS
Doors, BBS software and Utilties 7 days a week.

The main goal of the FTSC is to document current practice. Practices
have a tendency to change over time so the documents need to keep up
with that.

That's a little different than developing software but probably just
as challenging.

True. I have had to do management rolls in previous employment positions. However, as a developer, I am actively trying to implement FTSC standards and proposals. Which does give the perspective of "what does this mean?"...

One of my personal goals is to help make our specifications better organized

for a new developer coming along... where to start? For example, FTS-0001 - part of it is not relative if your are a Socket developer. And if you read the specs from 1 forward, you do not find out about BinkP until you read the 10th specification (FTS-1026).

* I presented a before elections question on ASIAN_LINK - about developing a new roadmap document for developers who wish to implement spec(s). Was told to post it here... being a n00b to GoldEd, no idea if there is a cross-post keystroke. ;-)

Ozz

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Re: Campaigning...
By: Ozz Nixon to Alan Ianson on Mon Feb 11 2019 04:17 pm

One of my personal goals is to help make our specifications better organized for a new developer coming along... where to start? For example, FTS-0001 - part of it is not relative if your are a Socket developer. And if you read the specs from 1 forward, you do not find out about BinkP until you read the 10th specification (FTS-1026).

I like this idea. The current 'roadmaps' are very messy.

xxcarol
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On 2019 Feb 11 16:17:36, you wrote to Alan Ianson:

* I presented a before elections question on ASIAN_LINK - about developing a new roadmap document for developers who wish to implement spec(s). Was told to post it here... being a n00b to GoldEd, no idea if there is a cross-post keystroke. ;-)

not a keystroke, no, but you can easily put

XC: echotag1, echotag2, echotag3

in the very first line of the message body listing the additional echos the message will be posted in besides the one you are currently writing in... it works just like CCing netmails...

)\/(ark

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Hi mark.

12 Feb 19 11:11, you wrote to Ozz Nixon:

GoldEd, no idea if there is a cross-post keystroke. ;-)

not a keystroke, no, but you can easily put

XC: echotag1, echotag2, echotag3

in the very first line of the message body listing the additional
echos the message will be posted in besides the one you are currently writing in... it works just like CCing netmails...

You don't have to put it in the first line.

'Tommi

* Originally in ftsc_public
* Crossposted in fidotest
* Crossposted in golded
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Hello Carol.

11 Feb 19 20:54, you wrote to me:

Re: Campaigning...
By: Ozz Nixon to Alan Ianson on Mon Feb 11 2019 04:17 pm

I like this idea. The current 'roadmaps' are very messy.

yeah, when I took a left at the old farm house and ended up in NYC, I realized the documents need a little freshening up... I would just like to reinvigorate the development side of Fido. I know one or two people have been working on a Python ANSI solution, I spent the past two days working on full-color MUD CLIENT (with graphics and sound support) to work with my BBS DOOR GAME. It required me to write a Telnet client to trap the IAC commands that they use to detect the 3 different MUD SERVER types - incorporated that into my BBS and viola, Map Window comes sliding out, the IRC chat window pops up, and the ability to stream tile images for the game started streaming in. (WAY COOL!)

* * * All on a Dial-up * * *

Ozz

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Ozz Nixon wrote to Carol Shenkenberger <=-

* * * All on a Dial-up * * *

Glad to hear you did that but none of that interests me. What have you
done that would extend FTN in a way that is not reliant on the Internet
or additional modern technologies (such as Python)? The reason I ask is
that a majority of Fidonet really doesn't seem too interested in
extending things that require heavy investment in modern equipment or
use of the Internet. To be honest, I know I'll get more interest in my
BBS by installing a POTS line rather than setting up a MUD (and, just so
you know, Tinyfugue works great via a BBS too).

I'm not trying to pooh-pooh anything you've done (and it's impressive to
me the amount of stuff you've done, TBH). I'm just trying to see where everyone is going with the FTSC.

Thanks,
Sean
(I am a real stick in the mud about some things...)

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Re: Re: Campaigning...
By: Sean Dennis to Ozz Nixon on Thu Feb 14 2019 06:23 pm

I'm not trying to pooh-pooh anything you've done (and it's impressive to me the amount of stuff you've done, TBH). I'm just trying to see where everyone is going with the FTSC.

As I understand it, the charter for the FTSC is to document current software and standards, and to promote new technologies within Fidonet. It's not necessarily up to them to *develop* for Fidonet but it's encouraging to see
any and all new development for Fidonet.
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Innovation is a challenge with Fidonot - as I learned in the early 90's when I was developing as a contractor for Planet Connect - to help get
FIDO on the Satelite - so many ppl pooh-pood the idea. Making policy fit their argument, calling and leaving threatening voicemails, it is very
odd how some people in the peanut gallery get really uptight with change.

I don't think you understand how, in the grand scheme of Fidonet-things, irrelevant Planet Connect was.

\%/@rd

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Kurt Weiske wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

As I understand it, the charter for the FTSC is to document current software and standards, and to promote new technologies within Fidonet. It's not necessarily up to them to *develop* for Fidonet but it's encouraging to see any and all new development for Fidonet.

You're absolutely correct. From what I understand, there's a lot of undocumented practices, especially in Z2, that should be documented.

Later,
Sean

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Hello Sean.

14 Feb 19 18:23, you wrote to me:

Ozz Nixon wrote to Carol Shenkenberger <=-

I'm not trying to pooh-pooh anything you've done (and it's impressive
to me the amount of stuff you've done, TBH). I'm just trying to see
where everyone is going with the FTSC.

Everything is being done in bby foot steps - if I can gt it working smoothly over 9600bps - then those cities that have mbps or even gbps services for home users will obviously be able to enjoy. I only have the dial-up system here so I

can retrofit back to FroDo... I am a partner in a WiSP in Kentucky, where highspeed is not available yet - but through wide area WiFi - we a able to provide service to people (places "VERIZON" does not even cover)... there are many *markets* dial-up is still viable.

However, everything I am developing is also being forward compatible with my cross platform compilers - so I can do it over TCP, RTCP, etc. I worked so much

on the JAMAPI for example, as I want it to be the backend for my FMTP (Unproposed FIDONET MESSAGE TRANSPORT PROTOCOL) ... to get buy-in of course, I am rewriting JAMNNTPd - so I can stress test my code. As FMTP servers would work like SMTP - echoing from Regional Hub to Regional Hub, Country to Country.

BBSes could elect to stream "On Demand" per user, or "Fetch/Post" like we currently do. The Server code easily handles 50,000 concurrent connections - so

in the long run, operating a BBS would be more of the focus on "Look and Features", Messaging would become centralized on a FMTP network. If JAMAPI does

not work out, then I own a SQL Database company, and I can leverage that tech and equipment as the backend... but, I am trying to keep it in a technology I feel is more appropriate.

FMTP works like NNTP for client Fetch/Post, and more like POP4 for On Demand.

I have already started a plugin for PHPBB, so it looks like the threads are on the web server, however, the output is coming from my Arizona FMTP Server in PHPBB HTML. But, I am months out until these go outside my testers. We are still focused on JAMNNTPd rewrite right now... ;-)

SCALE GOAL: Raspberry Pi Zero with FULL Backbone. As close to zero diskspace as

possible. (With or Without DOSEMU).

Ozz

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Hello Kurt.

15 Feb 19 10:14, you wrote to Sean Dennis:

As I understand it, the charter for the FTSC is to document current software and standards, and to promote new technologies within
Fidonet. It's not necessarily up to them to *develop* for Fidonet but
it's encouraging to see any and all new development for Fidonet.

My understanding too.... thus, why I try to do a fine line between documenting things that delayed my efforts. And working with others to learn what they are making - personal or public. I have found a few developers who have also made their own mailers, tossers, etc. but, do not plan on releasing to the public - I mention them, as they built very useful tools for testing against.

Innovation is a challenge with Fidonot - as I learned in the early 90's when I was developing as a contractor for Planet Connect - to help get FIDO on the Satelite - so many ppl pooh-pood the idea. Making policy fit their argument, calling and leaving threatening voicemails, it is very odd how some people in the peanut gallery get really uptight with change. Anyway, at the end of the day, I enjoyed BBSing in the early 80's through 95 - when it made financial sense for me to switch my 12 node BBS into a dial-up service. (Ran one of the largest underground PCB site in Georgia/Tennessee).

Over the years of MySpace, Facebook, etc. lacked the local social network that BBSing offers - which was much better than these services (IMHO). I ran Hotline

Comunications Server as a BBS for about a decade, it was much more of a smaller

social network - and ultimately that is my end-game for my projects. ANSI 8 color back, 16 color FG, is okay for BLOCK oriented games - but, come on we are

the guys who invented thing like "Bulletin Boards"... and we did it with small structures not bloated MySQL schema that really blow! So, i have worked with Rick Parrish in 2017, and his terminal now supports ANSI 8, 256, 24bit and True

Color - in a browser. Now, I am building my own tools so I can offer up the source without challnge - to help others achieve such graphics that xterm-256 can do, and some of these MUD clients... (sorry rambled)....


Ozz

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Hello Ward.

16 Feb 19 02:21, you wrote to me:

I don't think you understand how, in the grand scheme of
Fidonet-things, irrelevant Planet Connect was.

Again, that blanket of a statement does not hold light to those who lived in the dead-zones of the US. We may be a mighty mouth as a country, but, we have places that it takes a week to get postal mail, that cell phones do not work, the Internet solution is still 2400bps or a Satellite service with Dial-up uplink. Planet Connect helped those places interact with a much larger scan than what they were used to. Hell, I lived outside of a big city, and where I was - 3 of us shared the phone bill to pull the echos amongst ourselves. So, for us to get 1000+ Echos, UPI and API News, FishNet (we liked) and other networks for a small monthly fee - it was a blessing. I know most of the world looks at the US as the toy-land we try to think of ourselves as... but, the fact is - alot of the US is still 5 to 10 years behind a modern city. Hell, when I moved to Richmond in 2012 after living in Philadelphia for over a decade, I felt like I went back to 1990. I leave here in 6 months - and I am excited beyond belief - I will be moving to an area where I can hit Atlanta in 2 and 1/2 hours - and I can get my technology fix! Yet, the city I am moving to

only has 1 provider capable of "DSL" speed. OMG! I am a spoiled 10gbps junkie! Gotta stream them videos! ;-) BUFFERING will be added to my grammar soon...yikes!

Ozz

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On 2019-02-15 00:23:04 +0000, Sean Dennis -> Ozz Nixon said:

Ozz Nixon wrote to Carol Shenkenberger <=-

ON> * * * All on a Dial-up * * *

you know, Tinyfugue works great via a BBS too).

I'm not trying to pooh-pooh anything you've done (and it's impressive to

I am far from thin skinned... I have found a couple of the MUD CLIENTS allow <A

HREF> links, great for click here to download. <SOUND> Great for "You've got mail" *g*.... and one can pull in an image <IMG SRC> or BASE64 inline the image

... and allows for tile commands and sends arrow movement. Which sparked, BBS DOS DOOR, now GUI BBS DOOR... and I switch computers and started coding. ;-)

I have like 5 pokers in the same fire... however, the BBS Setup program is almost finished, so I am working on the Wiki for the setup... then I switch gears back to JAM & NNTP - as I like this Mac NNTP client I am using for this post. GoldEd is nice... but, I have kickass monitors, little DOS window *annoying*. ;-)

I hope to start coding my JAM NNTPD next week... so I can pull that binary off my production box, and put something I know what it is doing out there. Plus it

will be the back-end for my FMTP servers if it stands up as an NNTPD solution ;-)

O.

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Ozz Nixon wrote to Ward Dossche <=-

went back to 1990. I leave here in 6 months - and I am
excited beyond belief - I will be moving to an area where I
can hit Atlanta in 2 and 1/2 hours - and I can get my

You'll be very close to me. I live about 30 minutes west of Johnson
City, Tennessee.

All I can get out here is DSL also but, honestly, I'm thinking of
putting a POTS line for the BBS in since it's more reliable.

Later,
Sean

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Ozz Nixon wrote to Ward Dossche <=-

I don't think you understand how, in the grand scheme of
Fidonet-things, irrelevant Planet Connect was.

Again, that blanket of a statement does not hold light to those who
lived in the dead-zones of the US.

In the toll-bound USA of the '90s, it disrupted (in the proper sense of the word) the cost-recovery monopolies of the NECs who built billing systems
around their echomail backbones and turned moving echomail into a business.


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On 2019 Feb 16 02:21:36, you wrote to Ozz Nixon:

Innovation is a challenge with Fidonot - as I learned in the early
90's when I was developing as a contractor for Planet Connect - to
help get FIDO on the Satelite - so many ppl pooh-pood the idea.
Making policy fit their argument, calling and leaving threatening
voicemails, it is very odd how some people in the peanut gallery get
really uptight with change.

I don't think you understand how, in the grand scheme of
Fidonet-things, irrelevant Planet Connect was.

on the contrary... Planet Connect helped to shed the artifical constrains put on operators as to where you can get your echomail feed from... people went to PC because it was slightly cheaper and they could get a full pull of all areas and file distribution areas carried on PC... it was a huge amount of traffic and you didn't need to worry about overloading someone else's landline for a large pull of echo and file areas and being charged more for it... some nets had decent sharing plans but others didn't...

the main problem was *Cs and others telling everyone they had to pull echomail and files from their NC/NEC or assigned Hub... many didn't understand the split

was those requirements are for netmail, not echomail and files... that myth was

put down hard when PC came on the scene... there are some that still try, today, to say this same thing but the truth is discovered pretty quickly and new/(re)joining operators are properly told they can get their echomail and files from any other system they can negotiate a deal with... they are also generally pointed toward systems willing and capable of taking on new links...

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Hello Sean.

16 Feb 19 10:55, you wrote to me:

Ozz Nixon wrote to Ward Dossche <=-

You'll be very close to me. I live about 30 minutes west of Johnson
City, Tennessee.

All I can get out here is DSL also but, honestly, I'm thinking of
putting a POTS line for the BBS in since it's more reliable.

I used to live out past Soddy Daisy until I took a development job for Law Enforcement in 2000 and moved to Philly. That is when I was involved with Planet Connect and local ISDN circuits with the Phone company in Chattanooga. They ran 4 lines from them to my house - just so I could do the development and

testing in real-time. ;-) $0.00 for me.

This move, I will be in the Pan-Handle of Florida ;-)

Ozz

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Ozz,

I will be moving to an area where I can hit Atlanta in 2
and 1/2 hours - and I can get my technology fix! Yet, the city I am
moving to only has 1 provider capable of "DSL" speed.

With the exception of Glacier National park and Yellowstone National Park I have no problem getting internet/WiFi/4G almost anywhere in Montana.

Talk about remote.

Meaning I don't buy your story.

\%/@rd

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on the contrary... Planet Connect helped to shed the artifical constrains put on operators as to where you can get your echomail feed from...

Do not confuse Z1 tribal warfare for what happened elsewhere in the world.

the main problem was *Cs and others telling everyone they had to pull echomail and files from their NC/NEC or assigned Hub...

Again, that's Z1 tribal warfare. Has nothing to do with the on-goings in the other zones.

\%/@rd

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Re: Re: Campaigning...
By: Ward Dossche to Ozz Nixon on Sat Feb 16 2019 02:21 am

Innovation is a challenge with Fidonot - as I learned in the early
90's when I was developing as a contractor for Planet Connect - to

I don't think you understand how, in the grand scheme of Fidonet-things, irrelevant Planet Connect was.

It was fairly significant in parts of the USA that I was in for a time. I'm ot sure what footprint they had outside the USA.
xxcarol
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Re: Re: Campaigning...
By: Kurt Weiske to Ozz Nixon on Sat Feb 16 2019 08:32 am

I don't think you understand how, in the grand scheme of
Fidonet-things, irrelevant Planet Connect was.

Again, that blanket of a statement does not hold light to those who
lived in the dead-zones of the US.

In the toll-bound USA of the '90s, it disrupted (in the proper sense of the word) the cost-recovery monopolies of the NECs who built billing systems around their echomail backbones and turned moving echomail into a business.

True and I heard of some of those. 275 itself was not one of those but north of us, (net no longer exists) was charging at a profit for feeds. I know because I took over feeding here (wasn't even NC yet) and disbanded more than a voluntary donation to help offset nominal costs since I was able to get free links off a small charge FTP site. My costs ran about 40$ a month in total.

I'd get about 80$ a year back around Xmas time from various members and footed the rest ;-)

xxcarol


What I didn't add was filebone. That was too much on my end of cost as if I overdid my FTP space, I was charged and there was a lot of bloat-ware at the time.

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Re: Re: Campaigning...
By: Ward Dossche to Ozz Nixon on Sun Feb 17 2019 12:09 am

and 1/2 hours - and I can get my technology fix! Yet, the city I am
moving to only has 1 provider capable of "DSL" speed.

With the exception of Glacier National park and Yellowstone National Park I have no problem getting internet/WiFi/4G almost anywhere in Montana.

Talk about remote.

Meaning I don't buy your story.

Actually he is right. National parks areas have coverage. Home coverage in the boonies is spotty still in parts. I think the EU is a bit more advanced there on that.

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Talk about remote.

The northernmost province of Sweden, Lappland, makes up 20% of Sweden's area. It has a population density of 0.8/km^2 mostly concentrated to half a dozen villages. It has 98% coverage. That's remote too.



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Meaning I don't buy your story.

Actually he is right. National parks areas have coverage.

You badly need to visit some national parks. I spend considerable time every year in Glacier and Yellowstone and 6 miles past the gate there isn't even cellphonce.

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Talk about remote.

The northernmost province of Sweden, Lappland, makes up 20% of
Sweden's area. It has a population density of 0.8/km^2 mostly
concentrated to half a dozen villages. It has 98% coverage. That's remote too.

A lot of people don't understand how remote Sweden can be.

\%/@rd

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I don't think you understand how, in the grand scheme of
Fidonet-things, irrelevant Planet Connect was.

It was fairly significant in parts of the USA that I was in for a time.
I'm ot sure what footprint they had outside the USA.

I hope you have read "in the grand scheme of things".

As far as I know it was discussed a bit, some individuals may have attempted it

for a short while, but that was it then. As it involves satellites I take it Michiel is better informed.

There never was a need for it as we had better ways with guaranteed free distribution under the premise "what you get from us for free, you also pass on

for free".

There were some individuals trying to make a buck out of it ... There was a Swedish docter living in Ghent/Belgium Martin Whelou ,,, he tried to give me serious sums of money in order to be listed on top of the echomail-foodchain in

the nodelist. There was our friend Janssens from the Netherlands and his buddy,

we compared them to Laurel and Hardy. I was approached from Russia by people offering money, never saw them in the nodelist afterwards. There was a guy who had it so refined that he ran a hardware store and people wishing to participate could get a point-address and needed to buy the hardware at his store. Then he had a system scanning in- and outbound mail protecting his business so his points never really got to know the outside world. He easily delayed mail for days in order to check. Charging 7000BFr a year for access (close to 200US$) with 300 points and all that hardware. He wanted to pull mail

from me and there was the "free" deal so I investigated him, ordered something in his store and when picking it up anonymously there was a queue of people so we chatted ... that was the day 'that' system folded. He physically threatened me.

The Netherlands had cost-share wars .. don't tell me they went at all the effort without an incentive.

But the real ringer was ... Felix Kasza, Ron Dwight (indirectly) and Jens Mueller.

Felix became ZC2 and set-up a system where he charged for mail, you knew up-front what you were paying for but he wasn't losing any money over it to use

a euphemism. It didn't work in the end, he didn't become the big star-hub for Europe.

Ron Dwight was hoisted in the chair for a second term and became heavily sponsored by Janssens from the Netherlands, even paying travels. C'mon ...

Because of an intra-ZCC quarrel Ron Dwight resigned and there were elections. Ron's crown-prince was Jens Mueller from Germany who thought he had seen the big light, started a 24-line TBBS-system available 24/7 and called it "Eurostar" .... I candidated in that election. Ron never knew what hit him and Jens only caught 48 hour before close of ballots he wasn't going to win. It took weeks before Ron passed the baton to me and even then with proprietary software tried to keep it under control. I think that was the beginning of the end for the money-freaks in Z2.

But can you imagine? Corruption from the top-down ... even Fidonet.

I can only say I probably wasted a few nice automobiles, a few guns and several

vacations to a Tahiti beach-resort sipping rum and Coca-Cola on-the-rocks under

an umbrella ... might have been Cuba too ... behind a keyboard in the middle of

the night.

\%/@rd

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On 2019 Feb 17 00:19:32, you wrote to me:

on the contrary... Planet Connect helped to shed the artifical
constrains put on operators as to where you can get your echomail
feed from...

Do not confuse Z1 tribal warfare for what happened elsewhere in the world.

i'm not...

the main problem was *Cs and others telling everyone they had to pull
echomail and files from their NC/NEC or assigned Hub...

Again, that's Z1 tribal warfare. Has nothing to do with the on-goings
in the other zones.

really? there weren't *C/*ECs over there telling folks they had to get their echomail from their assigned feed systems? history doesn't support you on that... there were a lot of complaints about it and i distinctly remember numerous Z2 systems complaining about the same thing... things changed quite rapidly after PC came on the scene and those complaints dropped off to almost nil...

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Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong...
... Of all the people I've met, you're certainly one of 'em.
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On 2019-02-17 06:09:23 +0000, Ward Dossche -> Ozz Nixon said:

With the exception of Glacier National park and Yellowstone National
Park I have no problem getting internet/WiFi/4G almost anywhere in
Montana.

Meaning I don't buy your story.

Good for you... however, if I was presenting false information, then a simple google search would tell you I was wrong... however, no such search exits. On the contrary:

Search WiSP Coverage on Google Images, you will find many map locations where WiSP technology is used... for example here in Richmond VA there are multi-floor appartment buildings where COMCAST and VERIZON FIOS cannot be installed - no conduit from floor to floor... however, across the street is a WiSP Point to Multi-Point Mesh network for the whole building.

Now in Montana, since you think it has such great coverage: http://www.wispwest.net/

https://geoisp.com/us/MT/

etc. The second lists by city where the coverage they offer.


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Ozz,

Now in Montana, since you think it has such great coverage:

I'm not interested in a pissing-contest but I fear that when it concerns situations in Montana, I'm better informed than you are.

The internet has served me well overthere the past 10 years ...

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On 2019-02-18 17:52:38 +0000, Ward Dossche -> Ozz Nixon said:

Ozz,

Now in Montana, since you think it has such great coverage:

I'm not interested in a pissing-contest but I fear that when it
concerns situations in Montana, I'm better informed than you are.

The internet has served me well overthere the past 10 years ...

\%/@rd

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Not having a pissing contest -- I would need a few beers to load up ;-)

Just the discussion spawned from dead spots, and cities in the US where DSL
nor CELL service is available. And since I own an WISP company, I know they exist first hand. I understand why they exist even in cities that do have highspeed solutions (e.g. no access to the building), and that the solution goes back to Satellite services or WISP services. The carriers I shared with you, I met a decae ago, they cover Montana whole, and helped me with my servicesin Kentucky. Where I am moving to in North Florida will be a candidate for me to spin up another Mesh network, mainly because people live like 1/2 a mile apart... some still have out houses sitting on their property.

PS. I don't drink, so you would probably win the pissing contest anyway ;-)

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Re: Re: Campaigning...
By: Ward Dossche to Carol Shenkenberger on Sun Feb 17 2019 10:53 am

Meaning I don't buy your story.

Actually he is right. National parks areas have coverage.

You badly need to visit some national parks. I spend considerable time every year in Glacier and Yellowstone and 6 miles past the gate there isn't even cellphonce.

Humm, ok. I thought they did. My bad!

I do know you lose signal in a lot of the areas west of the mississipi here.

xxcarol
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Re: Re: Campaigning...
By: Ward Dossche to Carol Shenkenberger on Sun Feb 17 2019 11:26 am

I don't think you understand how, in the grand scheme of
Fidonet-things, irrelevant Planet Connect was.

It was fairly significant in parts of the USA that I was in for a
time. I'm ot sure what footprint they had outside the USA.

I hope you have read "in the grand scheme of things".

Yes, I did. I started Fidonet in a sane little corner (net202, San Diego) where for a long time our dialup cost was covered by a local business. Eventully that ended as PC came in and we downloaded from there and only paid Cost Recovery Program (CRP) for landline outbound replies to get out. We drew from Nevada as in-state landline fees were higher.

Later I offer to funnel feed Alpine as I am a free dial and they have their own PC dish. Instead someone well above me gets stupid and says not allowed. They made their own CRP setup and dropped off the NET202 set.

Move forward and net275. PC dish northside but they charge not only PC fees and LD costs, but a profit. Lots of shenanigans but I establish a feed with the 'southern star' ( John S) and offer to cover it. I use IREX to FTP outbound with no LD cost. Net north of me finally demises but for a period they have free feeds from me.

There were some ugly 'for profit' schemas in Z1 and apparently Z2 but the only personal experience I have was the North end of what is now devolved to Net275.

BTW, in Net202, CRP bill was generally less than 5$ a month and backed by the landline bill copy. I know. I was the treasurer for some 3 years there.
xxcarol
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