Hello All!

big changes are comming now, wonder if this breaks slackware one more time :/


Regards Benny

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Re: glibc libcrypt
By: Benny Pedersen to All on Mon Jul 05 2021 11:53 pm

Hello All!

big changes are comming now, wonder if this breaks slackware one more time :

Regards Benny

... too late to die young :)

Aaaaaand that is why you use Stable for actual work, and Current for playing or development.

If you are stressed, think of the people who use rolling releases. That is the usual state of being for them :-)

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big changes are comming now, wonder if this breaks slackware one more time :/

I didn't see any updates to slackware-current yesterday, maybe that is why. But no, I don't think it will break slackware. :)

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Hello Richard!

06 Jul 2021 02:56, Richard Falken wrote to Benny Pedersen:

Aaaaaand that is why you use Stable for actual work, and Current for playing or development.

what to i do in /etc/slackware/mirrors ?

and what config is needed in slackpkg.conf ?

If you are stressed, think of the people who use rolling releases.
That is the usual state of being for them :-)

gentoo havde always being default stable, unless users want pr pkg unstable, if slackware did use portage management it would not be any problem with slackware at all


Regards Benny

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Hello Alan!

06 Jul 2021 01:49, Alan Ianson wrote to Benny Pedersen:

big changes are comming now, wonder if this breaks slackware one more
time :/

I didn't see any updates to slackware-current yesterday, maybe that is why. But no, I don't think it will break slackware. :)

gentoo is a moving target, lol


Regards Benny

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-={ 2021-07-07 06:51:42.360251178+00:00 }=-

Hey Benny!

big changes are comming now, wonder if this breaks slackware one
more time :/

$ /lib/libc.so.6
GNU C Library (GNU libc) development release version 2.34.
Copyright (C) 2021 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.
There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A
PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
Compiled by GNU CC version 11.1.0.
libc ABIs: UNIQUE IFUNC ABSOLUTE
For bug reporting instructions, please see: <https://www.gnu.org/software/libc/bugs.html>.

It looks great from this angle. What were you expecting the upcoming glibc release to break?

Life is good,
Maurice

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He who bemoans his poverty should seek help from his friends.
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Hello Maurice!

07 Jul 2021 06:51, Maurice Kinal wrote to Benny Pedersen:

big changes are comming now, wonder if this breaks slackware one
more time :/

$ /lib/libc.so.6
GNU C Library (GNU libc) development release version 2.34.

gentoo have 2.33 stable, with crypt support, the 2.34 is still to come with can maybe still have support for crypt ?

the crypt part is planned to be external not in glibc any more

It looks great from this angle. What were you expecting the upcoming glibc release to break?

hope you know why i use gentoo ?

ufed
change crypt to -crypt
hit save changes

emerge -auDNU @system

current this will fail in gentoo, it would possible not be a problem :)


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Re: glibc libcrypt
By: Benny Pedersen to Richard Falken on Tue Jul 06 2021 04:07 pm

Hello Richard!

06 Jul 2021 02:56, Richard Falken wrote to Benny Pedersen:

Aaaaaand that is why you use Stable for actual work, and Current for playing or development.

what to i do in /etc/slackware/mirrors ?

and what config is needed in slackpkg.conf ?

If you are stressed, think of the people who use rolling releases.
That is the usual state of being for them :-)

gentoo havde always being default stable, unless users want pr pkg unstable, if slackware did use portage management it would not be any problem with slackware at all

Regards Benny

... too late to die young :)

If you want to follow Stable with slackpkg, you just uncomment some mirror you like in /etc/slackware/mirrors and that is it. There is no dwongrading from CUrrent to Stable btw.

slackpkg.conf is self-explanatory. YOu may have a loot at it but afaik the default should work fine.

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-={ 2021-07-07 14:13:06.431631760+00:00 }=-

Hey Benny!

gentoo have 2.33 stable, with crypt support,

Last time we talked about stable it was 2.32 and 2.31 for slackware and I was getting 2.33 to behave itself.

the 2.34 is still to come with can maybe still have support for crypt ?

$ file /lib/libcrypt-2.34.so
/lib/libcrypt-2.34.so: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, for GNU/Linux 3.2.0, not stripped

That is fresh from the latest build of a soon to be 'stable' once it becomes official on August 1st or shortly after barring any major glitches. At the moment I am still using 2.33 as 'stable'. Also am upgrading to a 5.13.x kernel headers which requires a gcc patch in order to be in sync with glibc-2.34 headers. It is always something ...

the crypt part is planned to be external not in glibc any more

That is news to me. Also see above for confirmation of libcrypt-2.34. Also from shadow-4.8.1;

$ ldd /bin/login
linux-vdso.so.1 (0x00007ffcefbca000)
libcrypt.so.1 => /lib/libcrypt.so.1 (0x00007fa5a33d8000)
libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x00007fa5a3252000)
/lib/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x00007fa5a3416000)

This seems to confirm that it indeed works although I have yet to boot this particular build ... yet.

hope you know why i use gentoo ?

I have a good guess. Keeping up to date is alot of work and anything that helps is usually more than welcome.

Life is good,
Maurice

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-={ 2021-07-07 15:12:36.371209174+00:00 }=-

Hey Maurice!

Also am upgrading to a 5.13.x kernel headers which requires a
gcc patch in order to be in sync with glibc-2.34 headers.

From the latest test boot of kv5.13.0 comes;

$ cat /proc/version
Linux version 5.13.0 (root@bitskii) (gcc (GCC) 11.1.0, GNU ld (GNU Binutils) 2.36.1) #1 SMP Wed Jul 7 07:41:47 UTC 2021

$ /lib/libc.so.1
GNU C Library (GNU libc) development release version 2.34.
Copyright (C) 2021 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.
There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A
PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
Compiled by GNU CC version 11.1.0.
libc ABIs: UNIQUE IFUNC ABSOLUTE
For bug reporting instructions, please see:
<https://www.gnu.org/software/libc/bugs.html>.

It boots but still no console penguins for i915drmfb. It still works though.

Anything else while I am at it?

Life is good,
Maurice

... Dæg biþ dryhtnes sond, deore mannum, mære metodes leoht.
Day is the Lord's messenger, dear to men, the glorious Ruler's light.
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Hello Maurice!

07 Jul 2021 15:12, Maurice Kinal wrote to Maurice Kinal:

It boots but still no console penguins for i915drmfb. It still works though.

----- drm begins -----
CONFIG_DRM_I915=m
CONFIG_DRM_I915_FORCE_PROBE=""
CONFIG_DRM_I915_CAPTURE_ERROR=y
CONFIG_DRM_I915_COMPRESS_ERROR=y
CONFIG_DRM_I915_USERPTR=y
CONFIG_DRM_I915_GVT=y
CONFIG_DRM_I915_GVT_KVMGT=m
CONFIG_DRM_I915_FENCE_TIMEOUT=10000
CONFIG_DRM_I915_USERFAULT_AUTOSUSPEND=250 CONFIG_DRM_I915_HEARTBEAT_INTERVAL=2500
CONFIG_DRM_I915_PREEMPT_TIMEOUT=640
CONFIG_DRM_I915_MAX_REQUEST_BUSYWAIT=8000
CONFIG_DRM_I915_STOP_TIMEOUT=100
CONFIG_DRM_I915_TIMESLICE_DURATION=1
----- drm ends -----

try change .config as above


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-={ 2021-07-08 00:26:31.983119657+00:00 }=-

Hey Benny!

try change .config as above

It already up to date. The real problem is the "Intel Corporation UHD Graphics 630 (Desktop 9 Series)" near as I can tell given that other i915 ones do give me console penguins. Thanks for the suggestion though as it is always nice to confirm everything as it should be.

Not a big deal as long as it all works which it does despite the lack of penguins at bootup. :-/

Life is good,
Maurice

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Never become so sorrowful that you do not hope for better things.
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Hello Maurice!

08 Jul 2021 00:26, Maurice Kinal wrote to Benny Pedersen:

Not a big deal as long as it all works which it does despite the lack
of penguins at bootup. :-/

you belive that the gpu code is buildt in kernel not as a module ?, is boot options telling you want to delay vesa/vga mode until kernel have gpu framebuffer device setup ?

google gentoo bootsplash

it might help aswell for none gentoo users, some times its as simple as change =m to =y in .config


Regards Benny

... too late to die young :)

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-={ 2021-07-11 00:36:22.612150479+00:00 }=-

Hey Benny!

it might help aswell for none gentoo users, some times its as
simple as change =m to =y in .config

Understood but in the case here I've got bootup penguins working on a "x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Integrated Graphics Controller", which is also inteldrm, as well as "Intel Corporation Atom Processor Z36xxx/Z37xxx Series Graphics & Display". Why would these work and not "Intel Corporation UHD Graphics 630 (Desktop 9 Series)" with the same kernel?

For the record the last time I checked there was a reported firmware issue with "Intel Corporation UHD Graphics 630 (Desktop 9 Series)" but as of late haven't seen mention of it in dmesg.

Life is good,
Maurice

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Gold is fitting for a man's sword, precious things for a woman.
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Hello Maurice!

11 Jul 2021 00:36, Maurice Kinal wrote to Benny Pedersen:

Understood but in the case here I've got bootup penguins working on a "x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Integrated Graphics Controller", which is also inteldrm, as well as "Intel Corporation Atom Processor Z36xxx/Z37xxx Series Graphics & Display". Why would these work and not "Intel Corporation UHD Graphics 630 (Desktop 9 Series)" with the same kernel?

have you tryed booting vesa fb0 ?

if that works its just missing firmware or unsupported uhd in kernel

For the record the last time I checked there was a reported firmware issue with "Intel Corporation UHD Graphics 630 (Desktop 9 Series)" but
as of late haven't seen mention of it in dmesg.

it might come later, we still have not seen msdos with logo of penguins either :)

loadlin.exe gentoo with msdos-splash

i remember this dos program, mostly used on floppy disks to boot linux, shameless


Regards Benny

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-={ 2021-07-11 04:06:24.322558701+00:00 }=-

Hey Benny!

have you tryed booting vesa fb0 ?

Not since the Paleolithic. Besides that requires a 4:3 monitor which I currently lack.

if that works its just missing firmware or unsupported uhd in
kernel

So far I am up to a bootable 5.13.1 kernel and it still doesn't even try to display penguins. :-/

loadlin.exe gentoo with msdos-splash
i remember this dos program, mostly used on floppy disks to boot
linux, shameless

There was also a win95 version of it (desktop icon) that when you double clicked on it, it would shut down win95 and fire up a linux partition without a reboot.

Shameless for sure.

Life is good,
Maurice

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Hello Maurice!

11 Jul 2021 04:06, Maurice Kinal wrote to Benny Pedersen:

have you tryed booting vesa fb0 ?

Not since the Paleolithic. Besides that requires a 4:3 monitor which
I currently lack.

incorrect, vesa does not enforce aspect ratio

i had vesa on 1600x1200 monitor with 8 penguins, i still have that picture

vesa is what to do if others does not work

if that works its just missing firmware or unsupported uhd in
kernel

So far I am up to a bootable 5.13.1 kernel and it still doesn't even
try to display penguins. :-/

take that graphic card out and return it to the store as non working :)

loadlin.exe gentoo with msdos-splash
i remember this dos program, mostly used on floppy disks to boot
linux, shameless

There was also a win95 version of it (desktop icon) that when you
double clicked on it, it would shut down win95 and fire up a linux partition without a reboot.

and the loadlin.exe existed for os/2 if i remember aswell

i am just happy now that msdos chromoium edge is open source now :)

change the msdos to run on framebuffers so chrome do work, hehe

Shameless for sure.

+1


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-={ 2021-07-11 20:46:24.107275530+00:00 }=-

Hey Benny!

incorrect, vesa does not enforce aspect ratio
i had vesa on 1600x1200 monitor with 8 penguins, i still have that picture

If you do the math 1600x1200 *IS* 4:3 aspect ratio. The above is evidence that vesa is 4:3. You might be thinking of uvesa which can do 16:9.

vesa is what to do if others does not work

How about if it does work but doesn't give you bootup penguins? I'd much rather have the proper aspect ratio than bootup penguins, not to mention accellerated graphics, etc. Your suggestion is for situations where there is no choice.

take that graphic card out and return it to the store as non
working

It is part of the cpu. From the spec sheet https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/134898/intel-core-i5-9400-processor-9m-cache-up-to-4-10-ghz.html I cut and paste; Processor Graphics ^� Intel® UHD Graphics 630

and the loadlin.exe existed for os/2 if i remember aswell

No surprise there although I never did encounter it nevermind try it. The win95 one I saw in action on a cousin's computer way back in the mid to late 1990's.

i am just happy now that msdos chromoium edge is open source now

It makes no difference here. The only place I've seen chromiun is on android based phones and tablets ... and usually the owner installs firefox instead. ;-)

Life is good,
Maurice

... Hærfest [byð] hreðeadegost, hæleðum bringeð geres wæstmas.
Harvest is most glory-blessed; it brings to men the year's fruits.
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Hello Maurice!

11 Jul 2021 20:46, Maurice Kinal wrote to Benny Pedersen:

i am just happy now that msdos chromoium edge is open source now

It makes no difference here. The only place I've seen chromiun is on android based phones and tablets ... and usually the owner installs firefox instead. ;-)

chromebook, built on opensource msdos, with opensource chrome browser, who need more ?, seamonkey :)


Regards Benny

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-={ 2021-07-14 15:29:18.105032686+00:00 }=-

Hey Benny!

chromebook, built on opensource msdos, with opensource chrome
browser, who need more ?,

Is that why distributions are dropping support for chromium?

seamonkey :)

My neighbour would jump on that bandwagon as it's his default browser for at least 20 years now. Personally I think they are all overbloated pieces of crap especially the ms based ones, opensource or not. Of the linux based ones firefox is the best but I could live without it.

Long live lynx!!! ... and/or links. :-)

Life is good,
Maurice

... Ongiet georne hwæt sy god oþþe yfel, ond toscead simle.
Keenly perceive what is good or evil, and always distinguish them.
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Hello Maurice!

14 Jul 2021 15:29, Maurice Kinal wrote to Benny Pedersen:

Is that why distributions are dropping support for chromium?

no

seamonkey :)

My neighbour would jump on that bandwagon as it's his default browser
for at least 20 years now. Personally I think they are all
overbloated pieces of crap especially the ms based ones, opensource or not. Of the linux based ones firefox is the best but I could live without it.

seamonkey is not that blotware, its came from netscape, before microsoft had a browser

Long live lynx!!! ... and/or links. :-)

----- lynx begins -----
* www-client/lynx
Available versions: 2.9.0_pre6-r1 {bzip2 cjk gnutls idn ipv6 nls ssl unicode}
Homepage: https://lynx.invisible-island.net/
Description: An excellent console-based web browser with ssl support

----- lynx ends -----

----- links begins -----
[I] www-client/links
Available versions: (2) 2.23 ~2.23-r1
{X brotli bzip2 fbcon freetype gpm ipv6 jpeg libevent livecd lzip lzma ssl suid svga tiff unicode zlib zstd}
Installed versions: 2.23(2)(02:03:52 PM 06/26/2021)(bzip2 ipv6 ssl unicode zlib -X -brotli -fbcon -freetype -gpm -jpeg -libevent -livecd -lzip -lzma -suid -svga -tiff -zstd)
Homepage: http://links.twibright.com/
Description: A fast and lightweight web browser running in both graphics and text mode

----- links ends -----


links is not more bloted then lynx ? :)

i remember links had more use flags before :/

eq where is gohher nntp now


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eq where is gohher nntp now

Lynx handles gopher:// links nicely. I'm not sure about nntp. Do we want that to work from a browser? When I do use nntp I use tin.

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-={ 2021-07-14 22:50:47.544439880+00:00 }=-

Hey Benny!

seamonkey is not that blotware, its came from netscape, before
microsoft had a browser

That was mozilla. I first saw mozilla on Solaris (X Windows) way back when in the early 1990's. Also firefox can trace it's origins to mozilla, same with netscape although I haven't seen that in ages now. Near as I can tell seamonkey and firefox are the only ones left standing from that development.

links is not more bloted then lynx ? :)

Yes but that also depends on how one configures links. I have a pure text version with no gpm mouse support and it comes in at;

----- 'stat -c "%N: %s bytes" /usr/bin/{links,lynx}' starts
'/usr/bin/links': 1414176 bytes
'/usr/bin/lynx': 1293016 bytes
----- 'stat -c "%N: %s bytes" /usr/bin/{links,lynx}' ends

Myself I prefer to use links for actual browsing and lynx for converting html to text. I don't do much html->text conversion anymore so lynx doesn't get that much use anymore but I keep it because it is a familiar friend that goes back to my VAX/VMS days to connect to a university library's database back in the day. If I am remembering correctly that was in the late 1980's sometime, before I even saw a GUI (X Windows).

eq where is gohher nntp now

It has gone to ground. The last time I used gopher was with kermit sometime in the early 1990's running on a 286 off a 5.25" floppy disk. Apparently both seamonkey and firefox can do gopher as well as lynx and links. nntp isn't something I ever cared about and still don't. What for?

Life is good,
Maurice

... Sceal þegna gehwilc geþylde nimon.
Every man must acquire patience.
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-={ 2021-07-14 23:26:19.257209819+00:00 }=-

Hey Alan!

I'm not sure about nntp. Do we want that to work from a browser?

I vote HELL NO!!!

Life is good,
Maurice

... Ne wurðe þe næfre to þys wa, þæt ðu þe ne wene betran.
Never become so sorrowful that you do not hope for better things.
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-={ 2021-07-14 23:44:03.746921471+00:00 }=-

Hey Maurice!

That was mozilla. I first saw mozilla on Solaris (X Windows) way
back when in the early 1990's.

My memory is a tad faulty. Before mozilla there was mosaic. See https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ea/NCSA_Mosaic_Browser_Screenshot.png for the way it used to be.

Life is good,
Maurice

... Leana forleosaþ, se þe hit lyþran deð.
He who gives to an unworthy person wastes his gifts.
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Hello Alan!

14 Jul 2021 15:01, Alan Ianson wrote to Benny Pedersen:

eq where is gohher nntp now

Lynx handles gopher:// links nicely. I'm not sure about nntp. Do we
want that to work from a browser? When I do use nntp I use tin.

gopher://fido.junc.eu/

finaly i got it, just default page, but only online one day so far :)


Regards Benny

... too late to die young :)

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-={ 2021-07-16 22:17:29.591576509+00:00 }=-

Hey Benny!

gopher://fido.junc.eu/

It works with lynx but not links. I plan to look into why that is.

finaly i got it, just default page, but only online one day so
far :)

What's the plan? ... or is there a plan?

Life is good,
Maurice

... Wyrd biþ swiþre, Meotud meahtigra, þonne ænges monnes gehygd.
Fate is stronger, the Lord mightier, than any man's thoughts.
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Hello Maurice!

14 Jul 2021 23:26, Maurice Kinal wrote to Alan Ianson:

I'm not sure about nntp. Do we want that to work from a browser?

I vote HELL NO!!!

Life is nice :)


Regards Benny

... too late to die young :)

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Re: glibc libcrypt
By: Benny Pedersen to Alan Ianson on Fri Jul 16 2021 09:55 pm

Hello Alan!

14 Jul 2021 15:01, Alan Ianson wrote to Benny Pedersen:

eq where is gohher nntp now

Lynx handles gopher:// links nicely. I'm not sure about nntp. Do we want that to work from a browser? When I do use nntp I use tin.

gopher://fido.junc.eu/

finaly i got it, just default page, but only online one day so far :)

Regards Benny

... too late to die young :)

Gopher just rocks.

Such a simple protocol you can do such awesomeness with.

By the way, I like the CGO gopher client myself.

I also like nntp, but the Usenet has gone to hell. nntp is still very good for following mailing lists on gmane's service. Just follow your favourite mailing lists without signing up or anything, and without cluttering your mail inbox. How cool is that?

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Hello Maurice!

16 Jul 2021 22:17, Maurice Kinal wrote to Benny Pedersen:

gopher://fido.junc.eu/

It works with lynx but not links. I plan to look into why that is.

good, i only have simple gopher client on windows 10 from app store, that one works, on andoid i dont know if anything exists

finaly i got it, just default page, but only online one day so
far :)

What's the plan? ... or is there a plan?

i would like to do the replacement for ftp:// to gopher:// with it, so i can close that problem with ftp protocol

i dont know much on how to build gopher pages yet

feel free to send me example pages in netmail to test with


Regards Benny

... too late to die young :)

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Re: glibc libcrypt
By: Benny Pedersen to Maurice Kinal on Sat Jul 17 2021 12:21 am

good, i only have simple gopher client on windows 10 from app store, that on works, on andoid i dont know if anything exists

There is Pocket Gopher for Android. It is fine but you will need to get it from F-Droid since I think it is not in Google's store.

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Hey Benny!

good, i only have simple gopher client on windows 10 from app
store, that one works, on andoid i dont know if anything exists

Me neither. As far as I can tell I only have lynx that works at the moment although I probably could write a bash script that uses netcat to create a client fidonet-ish app. There is a Net::Gopher module for perl and I've heard rumours of a python gopher module.

i would like to do the replacement for ftp:// to gopher:// with
it, so i can close that problem with ftp protocol

Offhand I think ftp is the better option.

i dont know much on how to build gopher pages yet

Other than a client script for kermit, I havem't used gopher in roughly 30 years now.

feel free to send me example pages in netmail to test with

This is your idea not mine but if I get more curious about it I might try something out that may or may not be of any interest to your goal for it. I can't see this idea catching on though beyond a server and a few clients on smartphones. Gopher might be a better option than sms messaging and the such. Is that what you're thinking?

Life is good,
Maurice

... Druncen beorg þe ond dollic word.
Guard against drunkenness and foolish words.
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Hello Richard!

16 Jul 2021 19:54, Richard Falken wrote to Benny Pedersen:

There is Pocket Gopher for Android. It is fine but you will need to
get it from F-Droid since I think it is not in Google's store.

super thanks, it works


Regards Benny

... too late to die young :)

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Hello Maurice!

17 Jul 2021 05:19, Maurice Kinal wrote to Benny Pedersen:

Me neither. As far as I can tell I only have lynx that works at the moment although I probably could write a bash script that uses netcat
to create a client fidonet-ish app. There is a Net::Gopher module for perl and I've heard rumours of a python gopher module.

maybe pygopherd cloud be extended to client

i would like to do the replacement for ftp:// to gopher:// with
it, so i can close that problem with ftp protocol

Offhand I think ftp is the better option.

if both is READ only :)

but ftp clients try logins and if its possible to ftp upload crap

then gopher wins

i dont know much on how to build gopher pages yet

Other than a client script for kermit, I havem't used gopher in
roughly 30 years now.

you tell me after 30 years ?

feel free to send me example pages in netmail to test with

This is your idea not mine but if I get more curious about it I might
try something out that may or may not be of any interest to your goal
for it.

my touch is to change filebase to be in gopher root dir as it was on ftp here, so gopher://fido.junc.eu/pub/ will be with same content as ftp://ftp:ftp@fido.junc.eu/pub :)

I can't see this idea catching on though beyond a server and
a few clients on smartphones.

this is my goal

Gopher might be a better option than
sms messaging and the such. Is that what you're thinking?

mo i have jabber server for this

me@xmpp.junc.eu if you like to connect


Regards Benny

... too late to die young :)

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Hey Benny!

maybe pygopherd cloud be extended to client

At the moment I don't know but it seems to me that many Android apps are python based so perhaps there is something there.

then gopher wins

Maybe we'll see. I am still thinking about it and haven't taken any real steps in this direction.

you tell me after 30 years ?

Don't quit your day job. :-)

this is my goal

There might be some fun to be had. I'll first have to set up a server, probably on wireless, and see what kind of damage I can do with it before getting too serious about it all.

Life is good,
Maurice

... Nu hit ys on swines dome, cwæð se ceorl sæt on eoferes hricge.
It's up to the pig now, said the man sat on the boar's back.
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Hello Maurice!

17 Jul 2021 22:18, Maurice Kinal wrote to Benny Pedersen:

maybe pygopherd cloud be extended to client

At the moment I don't know but it seems to me that many Android apps
are python based so perhaps there is something there.

python on android ?

i only have nokia e51 with python for s60 :)

then gopher wins

Maybe we'll see. I am still thinking about it and haven't taken any
real steps in this direction.

feel free to se my gopher server

you tell me after 30 years ?

Don't quit your day job. :-)

+1

this is my goal

There might be some fun to be had.

indeed, i just have to change filebase dirs in husky and then make mkcache -r in gofish, hope mime types not need to be changed for fidonet files

I'll first have to set up a
server, probably on wireless, and see what kind of damage I can do
with it before getting too serious about it all.

oh wifi 6 ? :)


Regards Benny

... too late to die young :)

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Hey Benny!

python on android ?

According to google, a few years ago python was second only to java for creating apps for android. It was more popular than google go, which one would think would be first. Also clang/clang++ which I have working on a tablet and used it to compile binkd for android running in a termux shell, which you recommended to me for running mc on an android based smart device. As far as I am concerned termux is the best app I have seen thus far for smart devices given the native bash enviroment it offers. I did post some msgs from it not that long ago but haven't fired it up since. I am not a fan of smart devices and only have one for testing ... such as binkd for android. If the tablet still works I'll fire off a msg to you from it to this echo.

feel free to se my gopher server

I just did for a second time. I like the ansi cows although moose would be better especially the extra-special mythical Møøse. Anyhow lynx is the only browser I have that is gopher capable out of the box. Both firefox and seamonkey require some sort of plugin which I am not going to bother with. I dislike browsers and browsing, especially using gui ones. 99% of my browsing is done using links but lynx is okay.

oh wifi 6 ? :)

Yeah right. Still using 2.4GHz as it gives the best coverage (range). We're getting a few lower end N connections but most concerned are getting sub 54G speeds. To do better will require illegal hookups ... or a broadcasting license and a few million dollars for new hardware.

Life is good,
Maurice

... Se cræft þæs lareowdomes bið cræft ealra cræfta.
The art of teaching is the art of all arts.
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