ping for updates :)
ping for updates :)
I just updated my laptop with kernel 5.4.1 and it solves a
problem I had on the desktop.
Things are looking good.
I just updated my laptop with kernel 5.4.1 and it solves a
problem I had on the desktop.
Huh? What problem on the desktop?
I just updated my laptop with kernel 5.4.1 and it solves a problem I had on the
It runs Slackware 14.2 wonderfully but WiFi doesn't work.
That works well but there isn't always a wire available so I
installed Slackware-current.
until somewhere around the 5.0 kernel.
All seems to be good with the 5.4.1 kernel though, so onwards and upwards.. :)
PATH: 153/7001 757 250 770/1 280/464
I see that we're back to the lameware (<- you know who you are)
screwing up messages again. :::mutter, mutter, mutter:::
Someone obviously knows no shame given the continual usage of pure, unadultered crap.
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life is borring :)
i post it here so i now have backup, lol
On 03 Dec 19 05:08:20, Benny Pedersen said the following to All:
ping for updates :)Huh? Linux can't ping properly?
I just updated my laptop with kernel 5.4.1 and it solves a problem I
had on the desktop.
Things are looking good.
The kernel is up to 5.4 now? Gosh where have I been?
...ð??pi
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That isn't the issue in this case. In this case it is a lame tosser
that is messing with messages, mine in particular which I am
complaining about. It is purely a fidonet thing with certain node's tossers that is causing me grief. However thanks for the shell script which I always appreciate. :-)
life is borring :)
Only one 'r' in boring. ;-) Anyhow it isn't life that is boring that
I am aware of. Sometimes I wish it was.
i post it here so i now have backup, lolI've been known to do that.
i have another script for telnet :)
the server have no telnetd installed or even running, it does not
hold back bots to try still
i might need more water then alcohol :)
+1
I just updated my laptop with kernel 5.4.1 and it solves a problem I had on the desktop.
i have another script for telnet :)You can keep it. ;-)
the server have no telnetd installed or even running, it does notSounds like a plan. I never did like bots.
hold back bots to try still
i might need more water then alcohol :)Heaven forbid that should happen. These days alcohol might be
healthier than water.
+1That is what this area has been missing. Velkommen tilbage.
I just updated my laptop with kernel 5.4.1 and it solves a problem I had
on the desktop.
I got a new computer to replace the old one I got. The intel wifi card
is an ax200. Supposedly that got a fix in that, so I guess I'm moving
on up.
monitoring bots is fun
it already is here in danmark, and politicans want to see
greenland delivery more :)
atleast its only Latin-1 :)
monitoring bots is funSince when? I think you need to get out more.
it already is here in danmark, and politicans want to see
greenland delivery more :)
You must mean Hans |ÿ where according to Peter Taks|©e-Jensen, "when Danish military go there, they leave a bottle of Schnapps. And when Canadian military forces come there, they leave a bottle of Canadian
Club and a sign saying, 'Welcome to Canada.'"
atleast its only Latin-1 :)
Hvad er Latin-1? ... eller mente du LATIN1? B|©rn i disse dage.
:::suk:::
Looking at the above I am convinced google translate has butchered the true meaning somehow ... but what the heck.
only good things in there country is truckers on ice
jo du kender jo mig, og jeg husker spot paa amiga
may my kernel be with me, new genkernel, new anything
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Life is good :)
E5-2680 v3
Life is good :)
Life is good :)
But it can be so much better:
-+-
root:~ # uname -prs
FreeBSD 11.3-RELEASE-p5 amd64
-+-
E5-2680 v3Nice. Do you get the 24 penguins on bootup?
Life is good :)
Of course it is, however 24 penguins on bootup might enhance life a
bit. The best I can do at the moment is 8 cores, with 32G of DDR3 ECC which is a bit of overkill. I think 16G would be the sweet spot. For your E5-2680 I'd go with 48G but 24G might be the sweet spot on that particular CPU depending on what you use it for.
Nice. Do you get the 24 penguins on bootup?
sadly no, its linode.com
Nice. Do you get the 24 penguins on bootup?
sadly no, its linode.comThat is sad.
is there any alternative ?
960$ pr mounth will give me full hardware speeds, and empty bank
account
Hello Gerrit!
08 Jan 2020 21:34, Gerrit Kuehn wrote to Benny Pedersen:
Life is good :)
But it can be so much better:
i only have tested freebsd 4.9 from 2 floppy drives installs :)
-+-
root:~ # uname -prs
FreeBSD 11.3-RELEASE-p5 amd64
-+-
rebooting now
Regards Benny
... there can only be one way of life, and it works :)
boards these days. I have to build that into a linux kernel for it to give me 8 penguins on bootup.
960$ pr mounth will give me full hardware speeds, and empty bankOuch! I hate when that happens.
account
Heh..I still haven't moved to FreeBSD 12 yet myself.
i have 8 core huawei p30 pro, with will do 4k @ 60 fps with
hardware h265
what more do i need to use termux there ? :)
add on is that i have a hdmi dongle to put in the phone usb-c
port
rebooting....
i have 8 core huawei p30 pro, with will do 4k @ 60 fps with
hardware h265
First time I've heard of that one. h265 is quite demanding.
what more do i need to use termux there ? :)
You don't need more. In fact you should be able to get away with far less. Why would anyone need hardware h265 just to get 24 penguins on bootup as well as a kickass linux terminal? If anything that machine soulds more suitable for video editting and the such.
add on is that i have a hdmi dongle to put in the phone usb-c
port
Sounds like a plan except I have never seen one of those work on a regular linux terminal. From my limited understanding of such things you'll require an xorg driver for it.
rebooting....
:-)
-+- GNU bash, version 5.0.11(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)
maybe kernel 5.5 on any android would be in 2020 ? :)
what hold you back to try one ?
-+- GNU bash, version 5.0.11(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)
you loose :)
Yeah right. I'll pass thank you very much. I much prefer a powerful
gcc based OS.
For one I don't need an additional video output as 2 out of the three machines I have running don't even have a monitor attached to their
main video output(s).
The one that does have a monitor attached is
the 8 penguin machine and regular graphics work fine on there although
I do have xorg running part time on there just to test GUI apps every
now and then.
Huh? That is the latest version of bash. Which version are you
using?
As for kernels the latest one I have currently booting is 5.3.16 which
is only a day old. As for 5.5.0 I usually wait until the 0 switches
to 1 or greater before becoming curious about a new release.
Also
with glibc-2.31 soon to be released I'd prefer using a proven kernel while a glibc upgrade is in progress. Should be any day now. Are you ready for it?
Het leven is goed,
Maurice
java is (im)possible to compile with gcc ?
so 3 raspberrypi with ssh ?
it have nice hardware such as a sas lto4 tape streammer
nice it will try to get a ryzen
Installed versions: Version: 4.4_p23-r1
Installed versions: Version: 2.29-r7(2.2)^t
i will take my weekend now
Yes. Speaking for myself java died when Sun Microsystems went out of business but to be honest java was never doable on any of my systems ever. Why would you want java?
I have a smarthome solution that is running on java (on an RPI)
just fine.
Java certainly has its place for many different things, I'm using
it for more than 20 years now. Strong-typed,
platform-independent, memory-safe, fast... I like it.
I have a smarthome solution that is running on java (on an RPI)
just fine.
Which OS and what java compiler or do you cross-compile for it?
Either way I am guessing openjdk which is Oracle's vertsion of the
java they 'inherited' from Sun Microsystems when they bought them
out.
java might have won me over but I was already used to doing
everything in C or C-like (eg shell scripting) so there was never an appeal to java since my home pc was also C based ... albiet running a
DOS ... not MS btw. ;-)
If Linux hadn't come along I would probably be running FreeBSD now
... or nothing. Linux was a godsend - especially Slackware - and gcc greatly assisted the yummy builtin godsendness. So much for java.
IMHO, many people do not recognise that embedded platforms and such
were the original target market for java when it was invented by
Sun's engineers.
The stuff is OSS, but I don't compile it myself, I just let the
vendor or the community do the legwork.
many people do not recognise that embedded platforms and such
were the original target market for java when it was invented by
Sun's engineers
Selecting a language heavily depends on the intended use and
context.
in some places gcc really sucked
but it makes maintenance for "appliances" that are supposed to
"just work" based on this software a real hassle at times
The stuff is OSS, but I don't compile it myself, I just let the
vendor or the community do the legwork.
Does that include "Msged/BSD 6.1.2" and/or "hpt/fbsd 1.9.0-cur
08-05-14"?
I've run across many such things over the years. Nothing much lately
but then again I don't usually follow embedded development for the mostpart.
in some places gcc really sucked
Example(s)? The only one I can claim any experience with would be
any 16-bit DOS enviroment running on 32-bit processors.
:::shudder::: What a bad joke that whole concept turned out to be.
Agreed. In my case the lack of appliances that "just work" are the
usual source of grief which means having working gcc/glibc enviroment
to take care of things that actually matter is the prime motivation
for all the systems under my care. Mind you I have yet to send
anything out to explore the universe on it's own so perhaps I am
looking at "appliances" the wrong way?
My personal impression as of lately is that pretty much
everything I have to deal with is moving towards python
and these usually follow a "if it ain't broken, don't try to fix
it" strategy
Yes. Speaking for myself java died when Sun Microsystems went out of business but to be honest java was never doable on any of my systems ever. Why would you want java?
so 3 raspberrypi with ssh ?I only have one and at the moment it isn't running.
The 3 that I am
using are all x86_64 although I am keeping an eye on the risc-v development but so far it is only out of curiousity.
As for the
raspi3b+ I have, my plan is to get it working with pure DC input
sometime this summer.
I am toying with the idea of using the new
lithium iron phosphate batteries which are very expensive at the
moment.
it have nice hardware such as a sas lto4 tape streammer
Too expensive.
Also I haven't messed with tape drives since the early
1990's and did have access to external scsi exabyte drives but mostly worked with ye olde 9 track tapes.
I'll stick with sata drives for
now since they are way cheaper than tape.
without java there would not be any android devices
good or bad ?
will explode ?
i got a sysquest drive, looked like it was a new 8" floppy disk in cartridge design
without java there would not be any android devices
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Hello Maurice!
30 Jan 2020 22:41, Maurice Kinal wrote to Benny Pedersen:
Also I haven't messed with tape drives since the early
1990's and did have access to external scsi exabyte drives but mostly worked with ye olde 9 track tapes.
i got a sysquest drive, looked like it was a new 8" floppy disk in cartridge design :)
I'll stick with sata drives for
now since they are way cheaper than tape.
Hallo Benny!
without java there would not be any android devices
Amen! I could *EASILY* live with there being zero android devices in this world. Anyhow I get the impression that Google would prefer that it didn't and that Google Go will replace java ... and python while it's at it. :::evil grin::: We'll see.
Does any of that take into account the licensing issues Google had with Oracle?
I imagine there's some group(s) within Google that are schemeing
to switch from Java to Go/Haskell/Julia/whatever-new-language,
but sometimes the business justification for such efforts just
aren't there.
e.g. Microsoft still uses "good ole" C++ for their Office product development rather than the C#/CRL/.NET stack they suggest
everyone else uses.
Hallo Rob!
I imagine there's some group(s) within Google that are schemeing
to switch from Java to Go/Haskell/Julia/whatever-new-language,
but sometimes the business justification for such efforts just
aren't there.
Understood. However for startups - or progressive oldtimers - who have choices one would think they would choose a well supported compiler that has a future rather than one that may have a glorious past without much of a foreseeable future.
e.g. Microsoft still uses "good ole" C++ for their Office product development rather than the C#/CRL/.NET stack they suggest
everyone else uses.
No surprises there. Anyhow c++ has a vibrant present as well as a half-decent shot at a future so the above factoid has little prospects as it pertains to java. The embedded gurus can keep it ... along with the rest of the abandonware coming from that direction.
Java?
don't always "eat their own dog food"
Hallo Rob!
Java?
Yes. I believe java was the language that originally prompted this discussion ...
or was it clang vs gcc? I forget now.
don't always "eat their own dog food"
That can happen. Speaking for myself I don't knowingly consume any java products to honour the fallen. As of this writing everything here requires gcc including llvm (clang) and the only reason for llvm has to do with xorg and absolutely zero to do with the console thank goodness. However I still plan to try recompiling glibc with clang when llvm-10 becomes official which should be very soon. I am just a tad too curious about the claim of a clang based OS, which from the angle looks to be highly suspicious thus far. I have yet to see any real evidence. How about you?
You're saying Java doesn't have a foreseeable future?
You seem to be saying that that llvm (clang) requires gcc?
Yes I am. Mind you I am not counting so-called smart devices. Mind
you I've never seen nor heard of a development enviroment (compiler
and friends) that runs within an OS on a so-called smart device.
So now you would.
Rockchip RK3288-based mediabox with 4 Gb RAM and 32 Gb flash
Building the kernel takes approx. 2 hours there :-)
Hallo Rob!
You're saying Java doesn't have a foreseeable future?
Yes I am. Mind you I am not counting so-called smart devices. Mind you I've never seen nor heard of a development enviroment (compiler and friends) that runs within an OS on a so-called smart device.
You seem to be saying that that llvm (clang) requires gcc?
It required something to get it kickstarted. In my case it is/was gcc.
At
this point in time the resulting clang cannot successfully compile glibc
but
there looks to be some hope for llvm-10 as a possible contender to build a complete linux-gnu which is what the original claim was and that it is currently available via the mandriva distribution. So far I haven't seen any real evidence that this is true and the llvm-9.0.1 (latest and greatest) falls far short of creating it's own bootable enviroment independent of gcc.
I'd bet the farm that it'll out live you and me!
If you're building clang from source, then yes, you'd need a
compiler to do that.
And I wonder why you'd want to.
Got something against gcc?
Hallo Rob!
I'd bet the farm that it'll out live you and me!
Speaking for myself, that ain't saying much since I am in my so-called twilight years.
If you're building clang from source, then yes, you'd need a
compiler to do that.
Right. Same with gcc which I expect to be upgrading soon (9.3.0).
And I wonder why you'd want to.
A number of reasons. Mostly it is a very good distraction for me and has proven itself over the decades to be good exersize for the brain. For sure I am not in it for the money unless you count the money I've spent over the years.
Got something against gcc?
The exact opposite. The idea of a purely clang built linux-gnu has me intrigued though and I'd like to see one in action, which means I'll have to build it myself given that nobody else appears to be able to, including mandriva which I believe has made misleading statements over this very issue.
Can you say otherwise and (more importantly) prove it?
I use both gcc and clang daily and have no particular interest in
a Clang-based GNU/Linux distro.
Hallo Rob!
I use both gcc and clang daily and have no particular interest in
a Clang-based GNU/Linux distro.
Where is the fun in that?
So now you would.So now I wouldn't. I suppose it depends on the definition of smart devices. I probably should have said smartphones and left it at that.
Rockchip RK3288-based mediabox with 4 Gb RAM and 32 Gb flashThat I've heard of but I call those single board computers rather
than smart devices. I used to build kernels AND rootfs that
targetted such devices. Pure c source too, compiled by gcc, gcc-4
being the favoured compiler to take care of them. Also build a
complete developemnt system in ~128M based on gcc-4 and glibc-2.something.or.other.
I don't remember now which version of glibc. Absolutely zero java
and given the native development enviroment I'd say infinetly more powerful than anything java based. Also zero python and/or perl
while we're at it.
bash was king on it.
Building the kernel takes approx. 2 hours there :-)Not bad. Which version?
Here the build environment is created from a scratch (that means,
list of packages to fetch from local copy of the repository) and
deleted just after copying the fresh packages to the repo.
Bash is just a PoS.
5.5.7 for now.
However, my favorite server at work builds it just in 4...5
minutes:
gremlin@taishan:~ > grep -c ^processor /proc/cpuinfo
96
I used to do that way back when. Slackware was the best distribution for running on laptops back in the mid to late 1990's especially considering apm`
and cd bootablility issues. In fact the first live cd I ever saw was provided
by Slackware back on 3.6 if I am recalling correctly. Them were the days.
until somewhere around the 5.0 kernel.
ping for updates :)Huh? Linux can't ping properly?
stay on windows then :)
I used Slackware a long time ago then I switched to debian
becayse I had a lot of issues with it.
PLTJ> Windows sometimes seems to be like ford fix and repair daily.
well Nick will solve this pretty fast :)
well Nick will solve this pretty fast :)LOL, solve what? The Sysop's compulsion to screw things up?
I know its the nature of the silly message hobby but the vast majority
of problems I read are from people screwing around with things, incompetency /
not reading documentation or log files, etc. "experimenting" with
things or nagging competent Sysops with hand-holding questions.
building linux kernel for windows lusers that now have a proper browser fro google, so all that remains is microsoft edge based on chrome :-)
not reading documentation or log files, etc. "experimenting" with things or nagging competent Sysops with hand-holding questions.
linux is not that hard
Edge is a fucking joke.
Agreed... I manage a few Linux VM's for work.
Agreed... I manage a few Linux VM's for work.
i would try to see how kubenates works, but all i have readed is that its f of secureity bugs, no ?
| Sysop: | Weed Hopper |
|---|---|
| Location: | Clearwater, FL |
| Users: | 14 |
| Nodes: | 6 (0 / 6) |
| Uptime: | 231:04:53 |
| Calls: | 55 |
| Calls today: | 1 |
| Files: | 50,127 |
| D/L today: |
29 files (3,538K bytes) |
| Messages: | 275,355 |