Hello All!

Linux raspberrypi 5.4.42-v8+ #1319 SMP PREEMPT
Wed May 20 14:18:56 BST 2020 aarch64 GNU/Linux

Kees

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Hi Kees!

28 May 2020 22:35, from Kees van Eeten -> All:

Linux raspberrypi 5.4.42-v8+ #1319 SMP PREEMPT
Wed May 20 14:18:56 BST 2020 aarch64 GNU/Linux

Cool!
Did everything work for you in the beta?

CU, Ricsi

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Hello Richard!

29 May 20 08:17, you wrote to me:

Linux raspberrypi 5.4.42-v8+ #1319 SMP PREEMPT
Wed May 20 14:18:56 BST 2020 aarch64 GNU/Linux

Cool!
Did everything work for you in the beta?

Everything is a lot. I tried Firefox with a fullscreen Youtube
on one monitor.

I also tried Foxtrotgps, there it seemd like
it would not connect to a remote gpsd.

But I think, that is not something everybody would use.

It is said, that is still Beta, and some of the hardware
graphics accelerators can not yet be used. The USB and
Netboot are interesting.

Kees

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Good ${greeting_time}, Kees!

28 May 2020 22:35:28, you wrote to All:

Linux raspberrypi 5.4.42-v8+ #1319 SMP PREEMPT
Wed May 20 14:18:56 BST 2020 aarch64 GNU/Linux

Duh...

gremlin@pi4:~ > uname -a
Linux pi4.lan 5.6.14rpi4 #2 SMP Tue May 26 16:57:50 UTC 2020 aarch64 GNU/Linux

gremlin@pi4:~ > rpm -q kernel-{image,modules,dts}-rpi4 kernel-image-rpi4-5.6.14-alt1.aarch64
kernel-modules-rpi4-5.6.14-alt1.aarch64
kernel-dts-rpi4-5.6.14-alt1.noarch


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Hi Kees!

29 May 2020 12:25, from Kees van Eeten -> Richard Menedetter:

Linux raspberrypi 5.4.42-v8+ #1319 SMP PREEMPT

Did everything work for you in the beta?

Everything is a lot. I tried Firefox with a fullscreen Youtube
on one monitor.

Thanx for the feedback!

It is said, that is still Beta, and some of the hardware
graphics accelerators can not yet be used. The USB and
Netboot are interesting.

Indeed ... USB boot is much appreciated.

CU, Ricsi

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Hello Kees!

28 May 2020 22:35, Kees van Eeten wrote to All:

Linux raspberrypi 5.4.42-v8+ #1319 SMP PREEMPT
Wed May 20 14:18:56 BST 2020 aarch64 GNU/Linux

welcome on board, i think about rpi 4 8G now :)


Regards Benny

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Hello Alexey!

29 May 2020 14:00, Alexey Vissarionov wrote to Kees van Eeten:

Linux raspberrypi 5.4.42-v8+ #1319 SMP PREEMPT
Wed May 20 14:18:56 BST 2020 aarch64 GNU/Linux

Duh...

+1

gremlin@pi4:~ > uname -a
Linux pi4.lan 5.6.14rpi4 #2 SMP Tue May 26 16:57:50 UTC 2020 aarch64 GNU/Linux

like my gentoo host

gremlin@pi4:~ > rpm -q kernel-{image,modules,dts}-rpi4 kernel-image-rpi4-5.6.14-alt1.aarch64 kernel-modules-rpi4-5.6.14-alt1.aarch64
kernel-dts-rpi4-5.6.14-alt1.noarch

precompiled problems


Regards Benny

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Kees van Eeten wrote to All <=-

Hello All!

Linux raspberrypi 5.4.42-v8+ #1319 SMP PREEMPT
Wed May 20 14:18:56 BST 2020 aarch64 GNU/Linux

Kees

Hello from a Fedora (and occasional MS-DOS) user.

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Hi Benny!

29 May 2020 20:21, from Benny Pedersen -> Kees van Eeten:

welcome on board, i think about rpi 4 8G now :)

Do you need that amount of memory?
I actually never use more than 2 GB.
I go for 4 GB to be on the safe side, but 8 GB is overkill _for my usecases_ :)

Anyhow it is great that it is available and maybe other people do more memory intensive stuff on their Pis :)

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Hello Richard!

30 May 2020 08:35, Richard Menedetter wrote to Benny Pedersen:

29 May 2020 20:21, from Benny Pedersen -> Kees van Eeten:

welcome on board, i think about rpi 4 8G now :)

Do you need that amount of memory?

for something yes, ram is always an issue :)

I actually never use more than 2 GB.

postgresql is not memory hungry as mariadb or mysql oracle crap

I go for 4 GB to be on the safe side, but 8 GB is overkill _for my usecases_ :)

what is it used for ?, i know many friends have pi's, just not what its used for yet, if it was comal programming it would be overkill :)

Anyhow it is great that it is available and maybe other people do more memory intensive stuff on their Pis :)

yes its good that good computers begin to be less power hungry in a world of climachanges problems, i have a old quad pentium 2 that have less bogomips then a rpi 2, and used servial 100 % more energi then the rpi 2

on top of that it have power pc cpu to the raid card, yark, more miss usage of resources

it just looked nice on specs, 45 scsi 2 wide disk on a single pci port :)

bah


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Hello Alexey!

29 May 20 14:00, you wrote to me:

28 May 2020 22:35:28, you wrote to All:

Linux raspberrypi 5.4.42-v8+ #1319 SMP PREEMPT
Wed May 20 14:18:56 BST 2020 aarch64 GNU/Linux

Duh...

gremlin@pi4:~ > uname -a
Linux pi4.lan 5.6.14rpi4 #2 SMP Tue May 26 16:57:50 UTC 2020 aarch64 GNU/Linux

gremlin@pi4:~ > rpm -q kernel-{image,modules,dts}-rpi4 kernel-image-rpi4-5.6.14-alt1.aarch64 kernel-modules-rpi4-5.6.14-alt1.aarch64
kernel-dts-rpi4-5.6.14-alt1.noarch

I know there are 64bit implementations by other distributions. But the Raspberry people held on to 32bit, to enable uniform software on all there models. Now they have given in to the pressure for a 64bit Raspbian, that is what I wanted to transmit.

Kees

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Hi Benny!

30 May 2020 09:42, from Benny Pedersen -> Richard Menedetter:

I go for 4 GB to be on the safe side, but 8 GB is overkill _for
my usecases_ :)

what is it used for ?, i know many friends have pi's, just not what
its used for yet, if it was comal programming it would be overkill :)

Nothing exciting.
One used for pi-star that is an amateur radio repeater. (you need a Pi hat with 2 antennas on it).
Another one is useed for Retroarch emulation (I never actually use it ...) Another one is ib a Gameboy case "retroflag gpi".
And I use(ed) an odroid as a webserver and for Kodi media.

CU, Ricsi

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Re: Raspbian 64
By: Richard Menedetter to Benny Pedersen on Sat May 30 2020 08:35:04

Anyhow it is great that it is available and maybe other people do
more memory intensive stuff on their Pis :)

try using an rPi as a SQL server and you could easily find yourself wanting/needing more than 8Gig of RAM...


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Good ${greeting_time}, Benny!

29 May 2020 20:24:02, you wrote to me:

gremlin@pi4:~ > rpm -q kernel-{image,modules,dts}-rpi4
kernel-image-rpi4-5.6.14-alt1.aarch64
kernel-modules-rpi4-5.6.14-alt1.aarch64
kernel-dts-rpi4-5.6.14-alt1.noarch

precompiled problems

I really like homebrewed experts... try to guess who compiled this:

gremlin@pi4:~ > rpm -qi kernel-image-rpi4
Name : kernel-image-rpi4
Version : 5.6.14
Release : alt1
Architecture: aarch64
Group : System/Kernel and hardware
Size : 47032832
License : GPLv2
Source RPM : kernel-rpi4-5.6.14-alt1.src.rpm
Build Date : Tue 26 May 2020 19:04:00
Build Host : gremlin.hasher.altlinux.org
Packager : Gremlin from Kremlin <gremlin _@_ altlinux.org>
Vendor : ALT Linux Team
URL : https://www.kernel.org/
Summary : The kernel image itself


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Hallo Alexey!

I really like homebrewed experts

Me too. Perhaps you might know if the rpi4 can handle the higher speed SSDs on the usb3 interface? They don't need to be bootable but if so that might be a bonus to some.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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Good ${greeting_time}, Kees!

30 May 2020 12:02:00, you wrote to me:

gremlin@pi4:~ > rpm -q kernel-{image,modules,dts}-rpi4
kernel-image-rpi4-5.6.14-alt1.aarch64
kernel-modules-rpi4-5.6.14-alt1.aarch64
kernel-dts-rpi4-5.6.14-alt1.noarch

I know there are 64bit implementations by other distributions.

I don't give a fuck for those distributions. I have the hardware and I need getting Linux to run on it - so that I do.

But the Raspberry people held on to 32bit, to enable uniform
software on all there models.

The software is either easily rebuilt for any other arch (like ARM64) or is proprietary (and, in general, should not be used at all).

Now they have given in to the pressure for a 64bit Raspbian, that
is what I wanted to transmit.

Who cares of Raspbian? It's just a PoS...

For now, we even have 3D video working in a 64-bit mode. Anyone else? :-)


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Good ${greeting_time}, Maurice!

31 May 2020 17:28:50, you wrote to me:

I really like homebrewed experts

Me too. Perhaps you might know if the rpi4 can handle the higher
speed SSDs on the usb3 interface?

Yes, I have two "120Gb" SSDs in a RAID-1 /dev/md0 for the root FS here.

They don't need to be bootable but if so that might be a bonus to
some.

Rpi4 is able to boot only from SD card, but telling the kernel root=/dev/md0 works just fine.

The worst thing with Rpi4's USB is the use of buggy VIA VL805 chip. Hopefully, upcoming new board (one with 8 Gb RAM) would have VL817 instead...


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Hallo Alexey!

Yes, I have two "120Gb" SSDs in a RAID-1 /dev/md0 for the root
FS here.

Are they using the standard usb mass storage or the uas driver? Last time I checked (raspi3b) the uas driver wasn't working.

Hopefully, upcoming new board (one with 8 Gb RAM) would have
VL817 instead...

I'll keep an eye out for that. Thank you for the heads up. Also I noticed they plan to put the onboard wifi chip on there. Hopefully they will also add the connector(s) for external antenna(s). The Broadcom on the raspi3b was okay but lacked connector(s) which of course renders it useless for host ap mode given the extremely limited range. If not then it can be disabled and replaced with a decent usb one. What a waste. :::sigh:::

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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Good ${greeting_time}, Richard!

30 May 2020 08:35:04, you wrote to Benny Pedersen:

welcome on board, i think about rpi 4 8G now :)

Do you need that amount of memory?

I do. And even more - 32 Gb would be ok for now.
Also, I'd like to have 16 to 32 Cortex A72 cores instead of shitty BCM2711.

Well, I know that would be something other than Rpi...

I actually never use more than 2 GB. I go for 4 GB to be on the safe
side, but 8 GB is overkill _for my usecases_ :) Anyhow it is great
that it is available and maybe other people do more memory intensive
stuff on their Pis :)

Yes. Like building the software natively.


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Good ${greeting_time}, Maurice!

31 May 2020 18:39:16, you wrote to me:

Yes, I have two "120Gb" SSDs in a RAID-1 /dev/md0 for the root
FS here.

Are they using the standard usb mass storage or the uas driver?
Last time I checked (raspi3b) the uas driver wasn't working.

USB mass storage works just fine.

Hopefully, upcoming new board (one with 8 Gb RAM) would have
VL817 instead...

I'll keep an eye out for that. Thank you for the heads up. Also I
noticed they plan to put the onboard wifi chip on there. Hopefully
they will also add the connector(s) for external antenna(s). The
Broadcom on the raspi3b was okay but lacked connector(s) which of
course renders it useless for host ap mode given the extremely
limited range. If not then it can be disabled and replaced with a
decent usb one. What a waste.

I prefer to avoid using Broadcom shit, so I run WiFi APs with RT5370.


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Hello Kees!

30 May 2020 12:02, Kees van Eeten wrote to Alexey Vissarionov:

I know there are 64bit implementations by other distributions.

microsoft still support 32bit in there 64bit distros, its long time since gentoo dropped 32bit on 64bit diststros


Regards Benny

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Hello Maurice!

31 May 2020 17:28, Maurice Kinal wrote to Alexey Vissarionov:

Me too. Perhaps you might know if the rpi4 can handle the higher
speed SSDs on the usb3 interface? They don't need to be bootable but
if so that might be a bonus to some.

why did you not just look at pi desktop at http://raspberrypi.dk/ and yes i have one of them, you just need a 5V/5A power supply to make it stable, if its only powered by 5V/3A its unstable


Regards Benny

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Hallo Alexey!

USB mass storage works just fine.

In most cases yes. However things are changing rapidly in the SSD world (eg nvme). All the msata, and now one nvme, disks on usb3 are using the uas driver as we speak. uas works just fine. :-)

I prefer to avoid using Broadcom shit

They are better than Intel, except in this case without connectors for external antennas they shouldn't have bothered.

I run WiFi APs with RT5370.

I have two systems both using RT3070 on the 2.4GHz band. I get the best long distance with these. I have yet to find anything better including newer Ralink chips. Also the RT3070s work with the kernel's inhouse wireless mesh which the RT5370s don't, or at least not the last time I checked.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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Hallo Benny!

why did you not just look at pi desktop at http://raspberrypi.dk/
and yes i have one of them

We talked about this before. If I were serious about ARM based PCs I would be more interested in what Alexey referred to in an earlier post today. Also it would need to have at least one m.2 nvme compatible slot for the main boot disk instead of the micro sd interface. I think we should leave the micro sd cards for digital cameras and crippled so-called smart devices that Android lives on.

Speaking of which, I am still waiting for the bluetooth keyboard before taking up the termux challenge again. I already have a binkd for it which I tested sending a test msg to you not too long ago. I plan to compile the Husky stuff once it arrives. I think this will have more use than a raspi desktop since almost everyone and their dog has a smartphone. Not me but I do have a 10" tablet I use for testing my wireless networks.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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Hi Alexey!

31 May 2020 22:22, from Alexey Vissarionov -> Richard Menedetter:

And even more - 32 Gb would be ok for now.
Also, I'd like to have 16 to 32 Cortex A72 cores instead of shitty BCM2711.

Well, I know that would be something other than Rpi...

Exactly what I wanted to reply.
There are different niches.
And the Rpi was always the cheap and slow throw away hardware.
You cab give it to an 8 year old, and if he spills his drink on it, you buy him a new one - no problem.

A 4 core 4 GB RPi is already very capable in that niche.

A 32 Core 32 GB RAM, 16 GB L3 Cache computer is not a RPi in my mind.

I would immediately take it if it is reasonably priced, but it will not be the 35 USD computer that the RPi wants to be.

CU, Ricsi

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Hello mark!

30 May 20, mark lewis wrote to Richard Menedetter:

Anyhow it is great that it is available and maybe other people do
more memory intensive stuff on their Pis :)

try using an rPi as a SQL server and you could easily find yourself wanting/needing more than 8Gig of RAM...

May i remind you two what the pi was build for?

As far as i remember it's a low cost plattform for education and was never designed for productive server operation.

More RAM more Power for serving is not the direction of the pi.

Btw, isn't the first step for RAM duplication the downgrade from 64 to 32bit?

;-)

Regards

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Hello Alexey!

31 May 20, Alexey Vissarionov wrote to Richard Menedetter:

Do you need that amount of memory?

I do. And even more - 32 Gb would be ok for now.

Well, I know that would be something other than Rpi...

I deleted an answer to your "give a fuck for other - i use what i need" mail where i tried to remind you that the pi and you are aiming in different directions.
We can see now that you know that already. The next logical step is simple. You should give a fuck for the pi and use the hardware you really need. ;)

Regards

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Hello Alexey!

31 May 2020 23:17, Alexey Vissarionov wrote to Maurice Kinal:

USB mass storage works just fine.

true

but rpi cant boot it self from them, so most old rpi still need to have /boot on microsd cards

I prefer to avoid using Broadcom shit, so I run WiFi APs with RT5370.

oh


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Hello Maurice!

31 May 2020 21:40, Maurice Kinal wrote to Benny Pedersen:

why did you not just look at pi desktop at http://raspberrypi.dk/
and yes i have one of them

We talked about this before.

yes

If I were serious about ARM based PCs I
would be more interested in what Alexey referred to in an earlier post today.

is ther raspberry pi without arm cpus ?

Also it would need to have at least one m.2 nvme compatible
slot for the main boot disk instead of the micro sd interface.

i have the add one card in a rpi2 and tested rpi3, will like to have gentoo on it, just where it gentoo is precompiled on some other computer i have

I think we should leave the micro sd cards for digital cameras and crippled so-called smart devices that Android lives on.

sure just PXE boot then :)

Speaking of which, I am still waiting for the bluetooth keyboard
before taking up the termux challenge again.

... things take time

I already have a binkd
for it which I tested sending a test msg to you not too long ago.

pretty cool, just remember not to uninstall termux now, this will delete all your work, if programmer of termux will make a tarball of envoirement before he let android delete all it woild be saved work in the download dir of the device, hopefully this can be hoook scripted or api in android to make this

I plan to compile the Husky stuff once it arrives.

it will be a dream machine in the pocket :)

I think this will
have more use than a raspi desktop since almost everyone and their dog has a smartphone.

the desktop could stay in shell, all i need

Not me but I do have a 10" tablet I use for testing
my wireless networks.

here its 49" :)

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

+1

Regards Benny

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Good ${greeting_time}, Benny!

02 Jun 2020 23:27:04, you wrote to Maurice Kinal:

If I were serious about ARM based PCs I would be more interested
in what Alexey referred to in an earlier post today.

is ther raspberry pi without arm cpus ?

No. And for now, ARM64 (aarch64, ARMv8) is the most advanced architecture.

Also it would need to have at least one m.2 nvme compatible slot
for the main boot disk instead of the micro sd interface.

2 MK: I'd rather have PCI-E x4 (or even x1) slot.

i have the add one card in a rpi2 and tested rpi3, will like to
have gentoo on it, just where it gentoo is precompiled on some
other computer i have

So what prevents you from doing that?

I think we should leave the micro sd cards for digital cameras and
crippled so-called smart devices that Android lives on.

sure just PXE boot then :)

SD cards have one important advantage: they can work in the SPI mode, thus allowing bare CPUs (all modern CPUs a really SoCs) interact with them.

And, anyway, having microSD slot is much better than soldered eMMC chip.

I plan to compile the Husky stuff once it arrives.

it will be a dream machine in the pocket :)

I almost have one. Alas, for now it's just RPi4-4Gb.


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Hallo Benny!

is ther raspberry pi without arm cpus ?

No but there is an Atomic Pi which is an Intel based system; x5-z8350 Atom. That makes it compatible with the standard x86_64 based Linux distributions. Personally I don't care much for it for the same reasons as the rasperry pi's.

sure just PXE boot then :)

No thank you. I can wait until something better comes along. If the raspi4b with 8G ram lost the onboard wifi it would be more attractive to me at this point in time. I'd muuch prefer adding my own wifi that had connectors for external antennas and can handle the kernel's wireless mesh (802.11s).

just remember not to uninstall termux now, this will delete all
your work

Yes I know but thank you for the heads up. At the moment I am still waiting for the bluetooth keyboard which they tell me should arrive today or at least before the end of the week. We'll soon see ... I hope.

it will be a dream machine in the pocket :)

Unless you have very big pockets a 10" tablet won't fit. With my eyesight I require a bigger display to be able to read it. However whatever works on the tablet should work on a smartphone that will fit in a pocket so all is not lost.

the desktop could stay in shell, all i need

I agree ... or as you say +1. :-)

We should be in business very soon.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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Hallo Alexey!

2 MK: I'd rather have PCI-E x4 (or even x1) slot.

Agreed except I have yet to see any pci slots on any raspberry pi. An x4 slot would be needed for nvme ssd's to get the full potential but at least a x1 if msata was used instead. They are a tad faster than regular sata drives given the immediate response. However none of these are an option for raspi's other than through the usb port. Therefore the newer raspi4 with usb3 ports are the more attractive option at this stage of the game ... especially with 8G of ram.

And, anyway, having microSD slot is much better than soldered
eMMC chip.

Neither are a good option.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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