I meant the books though not the Wandering Inn which I haven?t read
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You mentioned Sci-Fi and Fantasy books. That covers a pretty wide range.
I finally stopped counting at about 3500 but over the past 35 years I've read something like 6700 books and, although I have wide interests, I've read a lot of Sci-Fi and Fantasy in there.

I'm currently reading an Orson Scott Card book called Lost Boys which,
although listed as Sci-Fi is no Ender's Game (and not that great really).

Anyways, if you enjoy the Swords and Sorcerer type books, one of my favourite sets was the Sword of Truth series by Terry Goodkind (must be read in order) and for those who mentioned looking for longer books, I'm about to start book
3 in The Stormlight Archive series, 'Oathbringer' (1233 pages) by Brandon Sanderson. The main 11 Goodkind books are also mostly 600 - 700 pages each.
A number of strong female characters in both of those sets.

It's funny how it's harder to pull up several authors when you've read books
by 1000 of them than it is when you've only read a dozen or so..
That list posted elsewhere on here, I've read most of those over the years and that was a good bunch to choose from as well.

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Re: I meant the books though
By: Rob Mccart to SHARON AITKEN on Sun Aug 08 2021 00:38:00

Anyways, if you enjoy the Swords and Sorcerer type books, one of my favourite sets was the Sword of Truth series by Terry Goodkind (must be

I'm an avid and catholic reader, and have been my entire life, and I read fast. I struggled with the Sword of Truth books though. They just seemed to drag on pointlessly.

I finally stopped counting at about 3500 but over the past 35 years I've read something like 6700 books and, although I have wide interests, I've

Ditto. My numbers are about three times that though.

That list posted elsewhere on here, I've read most of those over the years and that was a good bunch to choose from as well.

In recent years I've moved away from most of the mainstream stuff. I'm afraid the publishing industry has lost the plot in a lot of ways. I disvovered Baen, and especially their free library, and ended up consuming almost everything that they published. Then I discovered the books by "Fel" and devoured those.. then in more recent years the free story sites started gaining traction and that's been the focus of my attention for this part of my reading, which is why I started this echo..

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Re: I meant the books though
By: BoonDock to Rob Mccart on Sun Aug 08 2021 01:18 pm

In recent years I've moved away from most of the mainstream stuff. I'm afrai the publishing industry has lost the plot in a lot of ways. I disvovered Bae and especially their free library, and ended up consuming almost everything that they published. Then I discovered the books by "Fel" and devoured those then in more recent years the free story sites started gaining traction and that's been the focus of my attention for this part of my reading, which is I started this echo..

Hello! I am new in this echo by invitation from a regular.

I thought Baen was well known in the US, at least in the nerd inner circles.

I haven't read any proper material from them, but judging their process for selecting stories for publication in their main magazine line, I doubt their material and I would get on well.

Still they deserve some endorsement for the way the SJW crowd attempted to cancel them heh.

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Hello BoonDock!

** On Sunday 08.08.21 - 13:18, BoonDock wrote to Rob Mccart:

In recent years I've moved away from most of the mainstream
stuff. I'm afraid the publishing industry has lost the plot
in a lot of ways.

Dunno what to say. Maybe publishers are simply too top heavy
with executives and too busy trying to appease the
shareholders. When one competitor's books becomes popular,
there is probably a scramble to publish similar stories from
the "maybe" archive.

Eg. When Twilight became a phenominal hit, the book market
seemed flooded with other vampire-based stories.

I disvovered Baen, and especially their free library, and
ended up consuming almost everything that they published.

That is one sweet offering. I stumbled upon it a while ago, but
forgot about it. Good to see that they still release freebies.

Then I discovered the books by
"Fel" and devoured those..

Where is that one?

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Hello BoonDock!
** On Sunday 08.08.21 - 13:18, BoonDock wrote to Rob Mccart:
Dunno what to say. Maybe publishers are simply too top heavy
with executives and too busy trying to appease the
shareholders. When one competitor's books becomes popular,
there is probably a scramble to publish similar stories from
the "maybe" archive.
Eg. When Twilight became a phenominal hit, the book market
seemed flooded with other vampire-based stories.
That is one sweet offering. I stumbled upon it a while ago, but
forgot about it. Good to see that they still release freebies.
Where is that one?
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Fel is the nom de plume of James Galloway.
Here is a quote from a site dedicated to his stories at http://www.weavespinner.net/worlds_of_fel.htm

There is an author, who goes by the name of Fel. He releases his stories, chapter by chapter to the internet.� This page has links to his sites and to files of his stories.� They vary in genres, including fantasy and sci-fi.� In my own humble opinion, I believe that Fel has written novels and epics that rival the works of J. R. R. Tolkien's /Lord of the Rings/ or Frank Herbert's /Dune/ series.� He would be as popular and as well known, if only he could get these published.� Several of these books are comparable in length to the epic story Les Miserable's, or longer.� And, all of these stories have been posted for free on the internet.�

Fel has created several universes.� The story of _Tarrin Kael_ is one.� This is a universe of fantasy (mythology, were-wolves, were-cats and other were animals, powerful wizard magic and sorcery to name a few items).�� Tarrin, his life and world are changed in drastic ways.� Follow him as he adjusts to his new life and overcomes many obsticals

The author, Fel, also has written in other genres.� One is a science fiction tale, based on earth in the present or near future.� In this story, earth has been conquered by an alien matriarchal empire that has telepathic abilities.� This is the story of the _Subjugation_.

Another story is the life of _Kit_ Vulpan.� A young fur who is running from family, pain and life, but runs smack into love in the oddest of places. Only his family is not through terrorizing him yet.

Yet another universe is the story of Kyven Steelhammer.� He is a crystal cutter who can see spirits.� But, If certain people within his village find out, his life is forfeit.� Follow him as he finds his true courage and reason for life.� Follow him as he becomes a _Spirit Walker_.

Another is a story of dragons and magic.� The Dragons live on an island governed by a Dragon Council.� On this council is one Chromatic dragon, two Sky dragons, two Fire dragons, two Water dragons and two Earth dragons.� This council has ruled dragon kind for many years.� But, because of treachery, the future of the council is in jeopardy.� The treachery of a few dragons to the _Earth Bond_.� Could this treachery endanger or help friends in the United States?

Oh yeah.� All of these stories are copyrighted by Fel (James Galloway).

If you want to keep up with Fel's (i.e. James Galloway) stories directly from the author, check out the forums at the Sennadar link on the left.�
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Re: I meant the books though
By: August Abolins to BoonDock on Sun Aug 08 2021 05:49 pm

Dunno what to say. Maybe publishers are simply too top heavy
with executives and too busy trying to appease the
shareholders. When one competitor's books becomes popular,
there is probably a scramble to publish similar stories from
the "maybe" archive.

Eg. When Twilight became a phenominal hit, the book market
seemed flooded with other vampire-based stories.

Running a publishnig house is tough, so publishers attempt to remove risk.

Publishing something in a genre for which there is demand instead of a minoritary genre is less risky.

This is also the reason why many publishers don't try new ideas. If a book cannot be easily categorized within an established genre (such as "Mistery", "Fantasy" or "Erotica") and is not aligned to the sort of thing that sells within that genre ("High Fantasy" is "Fantasy", but you are not going to sell High Fantasy very well because the public wants lower types of Fantasy nowadays)...

...the book does not get published by a publishing house. Easy as that.

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Re: I meant the books though
By: August Abolins to BoonDock on Sun Aug 08 2021 05:49 pm

Dunno what to say. Maybe publishers are simply too top heavy
with executives and too busy trying to appease the
shareholders. When one competitor's books becomes popular,
there is probably a scramble to publish similar stories from
the "maybe" archive.

Eg. When Twilight became a phenominal hit, the book market
seemed flooded with other vampire-based stories.

Running a publishnig house is tough, so publishers attempt to remove risk. Publishing something in a genre for which there is demand instead of a minoritary genre is less risky.
This is also the reason why many publishers don't try new ideas. If a book cannot be easily categorized within an established genre (such as "Mistery",
"Fantasy" or "Erotica") and is not aligned to the sort of thing that sells within that genre ("High Fantasy" is "Fantasy", but you are not going to sell
High Fantasy very well because the public wants lower types of Fantasy nowadays)...
...the book does not get published by a publishing house. Easy as that.
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Richard, firstly, welcome. Second, I really enjoy your work.

As someone who owned and ran a (small) publishing company for 12 years, I believe I have some insight into this.
One of the issues is without a doubt that traditional publishers are excessively risk averse, so they tend to only publish what the et *know* sells, that much is true.
Unfortunately, their tendency to be risk averse has led, in many cases, to them pandering to the SJW nonsense. The phrase ?get woke, go broke? was first coined about them after all. If you look at the sci-fi/fantasy industry, to try to keep this slightly on topic, the disaster that is the Hugos makes this abundantly clear, and was brought to a head by the ?Sad Puppies? issue a few years back. Jim Baen bucked the trend and made a fortune doing so, not only avoiding the twiteratti and their toxic cannibalism, but giving books away for free in electronic formats and *increasing* sales by doing so. After his death, there has been a little bit of a wobble there, but they seem to be getting back to what they do best.
Then the success of some of the independently published authors over the past five years or so, has really bucked the trend. Go look at ?The Land? for example. There are authors who have become millionaires in a short period of time, and I?m sure you know just how exceptional that is. The ones I?m talking about have completely rejected the industry approach and done exactly what they have been told wouldn?t work.
Then the serial model that a lot of these stories are based on relies on a micro-payment model from fans. Take a look at the numbers and you?ll be astounded. One story has around 10000 subscribers paying a minimum of $5 each per month. Some of those pay (substantially) more. And what they?re paying for is to read a few chapters ahead. That?s all. If they just waited a week or two they?d get to read the exact same content anyway. Point me to any traditionally published author that has earned $50k + a month for the last five years? I?ll wait.

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Fel is the nom de plume of James Galloway.
Here is a quote from a site dedicated to his stories at http://www.weavespinner.net/worlds_of_fel.htm
There is an author, who goes by the name of Fel. He releases his stories, chapter by chapter to the internet.� This page has links to his sites and to files of his stories.� They vary in genres, including fantasy and sci-fi.� In my own humble opinion, I believe that Fel has written novels and epics that rival the works of J. R. R. Tolkien's Lord of the Rings or Frank Herbert's Dune series.� He would be as popular and as well known, if only he could get these published.� Several of these books are comparable in length to the epic story Les Miserable's, or longer.� And, all of these stories have been posted for free on the internet.�
Fel has created several universes.� The story of Tarrin Kael is one.� This is a universe of fantasy (mythology, were-wolves, were-cats and other were animals, powerful wizard magic and sorcery to name a few items).�� Tarrin, his life and world are changed in drastic ways.� Follow him as he adjusts to his new life and overcomes many obsticals
The author, Fel, also has written in other genres.� One is a science fiction tale, based on earth in the present or near future.� In this story, earth has been conquered by an alien matriarchal empire that has telepathic abilities.� This is the story of the Subjugation.
Another story is the life of Kit Vulpan.� A young fur who is running from family, pain and life, but runs smack into love in the oddest of places. Only his family is not through terrorizing him yet.
Yet another universe is the story of Kyven Steelhammer.� He is a crystal cutter who can see spirits.� But, If certain people within his village find out, his life is forfeit.� Follow him as he finds his true courage and reason for life.� Follow him as he becomes a Spirit Walker.
Another is a story of dragons and magic.� The Dragons live on an island governed by a Dragon Council.� On this council is one Chromatic dragon, two Sky dragons, two Fire dragons, two Water dragons and two Earth dragons.� This council has ruled dragon kind for many years.� But, because of treachery, the future of the council is in jeopardy.� The treachery of a few dragons to the Earth Bond.� Could this treachery endanger or help friends in the United States?
Oh yeah.� All of these stories are copyrighted by Fel (James Galloway).
If you want to keep up with Fel's (i.e. James Galloway) stories directly from the author, check out the forums at the Sennadar link on the left.�
�

These sound very interesting. I love discovering new authors that I can binge read on.
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Re: I meant the books though
By: John Dovey to Richard Falken on Mon Aug 09 2021 04:54 am

Richard, firstly, welcome. Second, I really enjoy your work.

Thanks for the warm welcome.

May I ask which things have you read from me? I think I don't have you in my list of known fans...

The fact Baen does not bend to political trends is precisely one of their main strengths IMO. When they were forced to close their forum due to pressure from their hosting provider and managed to return back, claiming they were not going to yield, the response from the forum members was unconditional endorsement. That is saying something.

Authors who get published independently and are successful are vastly outnumbered by those who arent, I am afraid :-) Self-publishing is a full time activity. When I was actually bent into it I had to skip important college exams in order to attend cons and serve the fans. It is harder than running a regular store in a forgotten street of some dusty Spanish city.

I didn't use to think self-publishing had any chance at competing against regular publishers because regular publishers used to provide some value to authors. Nowadays, publishers want authors to do the marketing themselves, which is a bit lame. The reason an author needs a publisher is because they need an Editor, a Distributor, and a Marketing Agent. An Editor is easy to get without a publisher (even if pro, quality editors can cost you some dollar). Distribution is easy to achieve through the Internet. If publishers are not willing to do marketing themselves, they are condemning themselves to annihilation.

This is one of the reasons why I started researching fantasy magazines.
I already have experience publishing computer articles with Linux News Media (which distributes magazines for professional computer users and hobbyist microchipheads), and it seems to me magazines were still doing the Edit, Distribute and Market combo for the authors. Sadly, it looks like any magazine that is half-profitable is a self-serving publication, hard to crack, or just a private club for a pre-selected group of writers. None of these things is bad by itself but they reduce their value as a publication venue.


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Re: These sound very interesting. I love discovering new authors that I
By: Sharon Aitken to John Dovey on Mon Aug 09 2021 11:54:16

Fel is the nom de plume of James Galloway.
Here is a quote from a site dedicated to his stories at
http://www.weavespinner.net/worlds_of_fel.htm

These sound very interesting. I love discovering new authors that I can binge read on.

I converted the one series to PDFs and had them printed a few years ago. CLose to two thousand pages made for some hefty tomes. I LOVE the stories by Fel and tried hard to get him to agree to me publishing them for him, but he was absolutely not interested. Wanted NOTHING except that people hae the pleasure of reading for free.
To me, that is the definition of an artist, whether a writer, painter, musician or whatever ie that they create art because they cannot not do it, not for commercial gain.

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Re: I meant the books though
By: Richard Falken to John Dovey on Mon Aug 09 2021 06:29:10

Thanks for the warm welcome.

Pleasure

The fact Baen does not bend to political trends is precisely one of their main strengths IMO. When they were forced to close their forum due to pressure from their hosting provider and managed to return back, claiming they were not going to yield, the response from the forum members was unconditional endorsement. That is saying something.

Absolutely. Baen's Bar is one the most amazing places on the 'net.
'If you've discovered the "Ring of Fire" univers, and the Grantville Gazette, you will understand wha I mean!

Authors who get published independently and are successful are vastly outnumbered by those who arent, I am afraid :-) Self-publishing is a full time activity. When I was actually bent into it I had to skip important

Yes, it is definitely a full time activity. Not only that, but there are a few "tricks" to it which most don't understand, or are not willing to do. One of those is that the first book makes no money and in fact needs to be free, it's the _rest_ of the series that has the potential. Also, it is an unrelenting grind to market something effectively, and takes an extreme amoutn of effort, way beyond what your average amateur is prepared to expend.

It is harder
than running a regular store in a forgotten street of some dusty Spanish city.

That sounds strangely specific ... ? ;-)

I didn't use to think self-publishing had any chance at competing against regular publishers because regular publishers used to provide some value to authors. Nowadays, publishers want authors to do the marketing

No longer the case. A new generation of readers prefers to get their books from places like KU, RR, fanfiction.net and others. There are a number of stories initially published on Wattpad, for example, which had made the jump to the mainstream, becoming movies or top selling books. The watpadd fans are pretty much fanatics too.. and most of them have zero interest in looking elswhere for their reading material.

It's all a shifting sea at the moment, and this new generation are slowly becoming starting to have actual money to attract the large players. My 19 year old started reading on Wattpad when she was 12, and there are stories that she STILL reads that started then. SHe is one of the fanatics I was referring to ;-) She has started earning her own money recently and it is interesting to me to see what her priotities are.

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Hello BoonDock!

** On Monday 09.08.21 - 15:40, BoonDock wrote to Sharon Aitken:

by Fel and tried hard to get him to agree to me publishing
them for him, but he was absolutely not interested. Wanted
NOTHING except that people hae the pleasure of reading for
free. To me, that is the definition of an artist, whether a
writer, painter, musician or whatever ie that they create
art because they cannot not do it, not for commercial gain.

What does the fellow do for a living?

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Re: Fel
By: August Abolins to BoonDock on Mon Aug 09 2021 06:13 pm

Hello BoonDock!

** On Monday 09.08.21 - 15:40, BoonDock wrote to Sharon Aitken:

by Fel and tried hard to get him to agree to me publishing
them for him, but he was absolutely not interested. Wanted
NOTHING except that people hae the pleasure of reading for
free. To me, that is the definition of an artist, whether a
writer, painter, musician or whatever ie that they create
art because they cannot not do it, not for commercial gain.

What does the fellow do for a living?

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First thing I thought.

There is a big difference between people who wants to create art and people who wants to unleash their art to the world, in my opinion.

I am growing a bit tired of the idea that artists in general should work for free and rejoice in having their art appreciated, expecting no other reward. It is totally bananas. Personally, I write a lot of what I write because I like to write it, but writing and publishing are different things entirely. Writing is something that is easy to enjoy. Publishing is a full time job with deadlines and dealing with people who is both awesome and awful, moving heavy boxes, and taking time away from other important things.

If you expect somebody to create art for the love of it, don't expect them to care to distribute it... nobody goes through that sort of pain and effort unless they can at least make enough money to sustain it. I guess this is why I know so many people who writes a lot but only shares with his close friends, if at all.

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Hello Richard!

** On Monday 09.08.21 - 17:34, you wrote to me:

by Fel and tried hard to get him to agree to me publishing
them for him, but he was absolutely not interested. Wanted
NOTHING except that people hae the pleasure of reading for
free. To me, that is the definition of an artist [...]

What does the fellow do for a living?

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First thing I thought.

Once we learn what Fel does for a living, I think we shall be
enlightened.

Some people live with the notion that their hobby needs no
monetary recompense.

There is a big difference between people who wants to
create art and people who wants to unleash their art to
the world, in my opinion.

But in both cases the process still costs money. I'm just
curious how Fel does it.

[...] Writing is something that is easy to enjoy.
Publishing is a full time job with deadlines and dealing
with people who is both awesome and awful, moving heavy
boxes, and taking time away from other important things.

That's what agents are for! <G> But even though John stepped
up to offer publishing, Fel refused. Maybe the fellow known as
Fel has a good-enough life and does not want to handle more
responsibilities.

If you expect somebody to create art for the love of it,
don't expect them to care to distribute it... nobody goes
through that sort of pain and effort unless they can at
least make enough money to sustain it. I guess this is why
I know so many people who writes a lot but only shares
with his close friends, if at all.

Again.. that is why the artist needs an agent who can do all
the adminstrative/publishing/marketing stuff.

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Re: Fel
By: August Abolins to Richard Falken on Mon Aug 09 2021 07:53 pm

Again.. that is why the artist needs an agent who can do all
the adminstrative/publishing/marketing stuff.

As far as I understand, in every place where the industry is not completely dead, getting a useful agent is a feat in itself.

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Re: Fel
By: August Abolins to BoonDock on Mon Aug 09 2021 18:13:00

What does the fellow do for a living?

AFAIK at the height of his writing he was a College Student...
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Re: Fel
By: August Abolins to Richard Falken on Mon Aug 09 2021 07:53 pm

Again.. that is why the artist needs an agent who can do all
the adminstrative/publishing/marketing stuff.

As far as I understand, in every place where the industry is not completely
dead, getting a useful agent is a feat in itself.
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Here's a story idea about that predicament..

"..a pulp fiction writer struggling to stay afloat, is holed up in an abandoned mansion in the heart of Barcelona,
furiously tapping out story after story, becoming increasingly desperate and frustrated. When he is approached by a mysterious publisher offering a book deal that seems almost too good to be real, he leaps at the chance. But as he begins the work, and after a visit to the Cemetery of Forgotten Books, he realizes that there is a connection between his book and the shadows that surround his dilapidated home and that the publisher may be hiding a few troubling secrets of his own."

Oh.. nevermind. That's already been written as "The Angel's Game" by Carlos Ruiz Zafon. :D

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Anyways, if you enjoy the Swords and Sorcerer type books, one of my favourite sets was the Sword of Truth series by Terry Goodkind

I'm an avid and catholic reader, and have been my entire life, and I read fas

>I struggled with the Sword of Truth books though. They just seemed to drag on
>intlessly.

They can be a bit long I suppose. I think once I started reading the series I just kept going until I got to the last book, something like 7000 pages worth. By the end it was getting a little long winded to me as well, although I was reading them as they were being written and I often had to wait a year for the next installment so it likely didn't hit me the way it would someone reading them non-stop.

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In recent years I've moved away from most of the mainstream stuff. I'm afraid

>e publishing industry has lost the plot in a lot of ways. I disvovered Baen,
> especially their free library, and ended up consuming almost everything that
>ey published. Then I discovered the books by "Fel" and devoured those.. then
>more recent years the free story sites started gaining traction and that's be
>the focus of my attention for this part of my reading, which is why I started
>is echo..

I've bounced through a few free short story sites over the years. I suppose part of the adventure there is finding a few diamonds in the rough because there are quite a few lemons not quite making lemonade in there too.. B)
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