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    From John Dovey Firecat@2:460/256 to All on Friday, February 11, 2022 08:03:04
    https://upstreamreviews.com/?p=3114
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  • From Richard Falken@1:135/115 to John Dovey Firecat on Friday, February 11, 2022 05:08:58
    Re: https://upstreamreviews.com/?p=
    By: John Dovey Firecat to All on Fri Feb 11 2022 08:03 am

    https://upstreamreviews.com/?p=3114

    The writting was on the wall for a long time already.

    Most publishers in the magazine market are politically loaded, in an explicit way. A whole lot of the magazines listed in Diasurgical's Grinder only want woke themes or only accept stories from authors with a woke background (stated explictly). Of those who don't place a disclaimer, reading the magazines shows they are biased to the woke too.

    Nevertheless, my theory is that the market for a lot of magazines is the people who are trying to get published by the magazine and who buy the magazines to do research. I don't think the current distribution model of a lot of these magazines would be able to reach end-readers enough to sustain the publication at all.

    Anyway, aften the Baen fiasco, a lot of authors and _actual_ readers have gone sour against the industry.


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  • From John Dovey Firecat@2:460/256 to Richard Falken on Friday, February 11, 2022 14:48:13
    Re: https://upstreamreviews.com/?p=
    By: John Dovey Firecat to All on Fri Feb 11 2022 08:03 am
    https://upstreamreviews.com/?p=3114
    The writting was on the wall for a long time already.
    Most publishers in the magazine market are politically loaded, in an explicit
    way. A whole lot of the magazines listed in Diasurgical's Grinder only want
    woke themes or only accept stories from authors with a woke background (stated
    explictly). Of those who don't place a disclaimer, reading the magazines shows
    they are biased to the woke too.
    Nevertheless, my theory is that the market for a lot of magazines is the people
    who are trying to get published by the magazine and who buy the magazines to do
    research. I don't think the current distribution model of a lot of these magazines would be able to reach end-readers enough to sustain the publication
    at all.
    Anyway, aften the Baen fiasco, a lot of authors and _actual_ readers have gone
    sour against the industry.
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    Which Baen fiasco? You talking about after Jim died?
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  • From Richard Falken@1:135/115 to John Dovey Firecat on Friday, February 11, 2022 07:46:50
    Re: https://upstreamreviews.com/?p=
    By: John Dovey Firecat to Richard Falken on Fri Feb 11 2022 02:48 pm

    Which Baen fiasco? You talking about after Jim died?

    No. Well, it was after Jim died, but I am not talking about Jim here.

    Some guy started complaining in the Internets that the Baen forum had right-wingers on it, so a cancel campaign was initiated against Baen. As a result, they banned the head publisher from a convention and sent threatening messages to Baen's hosting provider.

    Having Toni Weisskopf banned from the DisCOn was not very popular and got a lot of people angry.

    Baen had to shut the forums down, move them to a new provider, and then reopen them as a private service for verified customers only - so if you wanted to go and troll inside, you had to purchase something.

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  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to John Dovey Firecat on Friday, February 11, 2022 08:56:00
    Hello John Dovey Firecat!

    ** On Friday 11.02.22 - 08:03, John Dovey Firecat wrote to All:

    https://upstreamreviews.com/?p=3114

    Does that system just report sales based on POS at end-user
    terminals? I don't subscribe to any POS analysis system. I am
    sure that many independent shops don't either. So, many numbers
    are not represented.

    And.. some books (particulary mmpk) are "strippable", meaning
    that the bookseller has the option to return unsold titles by
    simply ripping the front covers off, mailing back the covers
    and destroying the rest of the book. Does the BookScan system
    reflect that scenario properly?


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  • From John Dovey Firecat@2:460/256 to Richard Falken on Friday, February 11, 2022 16:59:48
    Re: https://upstreamreviews.com/?p=
    By: John Dovey Firecat to Richard Falken on Fri Feb 11 2022 02:48 pm
    Which Baen fiasco? You talking about after Jim died?
    No. Well, it was after Jim died, but I am not talking about Jim here.
    Some guy started complaining in the Internets that the Baen forum had right-wingers on it, so a cancel campaign was initiated against Baen. As a result, they banned the head publisher from a convention and sent threatening
    messages to Baen's hosting provider.
    Having Toni Weisskopf banned from the DisCOn was not very popular and got a
    lot of people angry.
    Baen had to shut the forums down, move them to a new provider, and then reopen
    them as a private service for verified customers only - so if you wanted to go
    and troll inside, you had to purchase something.
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    Ok. *that* one. I thought you might be talking about the *Sad Puppies* episode...
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  • From John Dovey Firecat@2:460/256 to August Abolins on Friday, February 11, 2022 17:04:00
    Hello John Dovey Firecat!
    ** On Friday 11.02.22 - 08:03, John Dovey Firecat wrote to All:
    https://upstreamreviews.com/?p=3114
    Does that system just report sales based on POS at end-user
    terminals? I don't subscribe to any POS analysis system. I am
    sure that many independent shops don't either. So, many numbers
    are not represented.
    And.. some books (particulary mmpk) are "strippable", meaning
    that the bookseller has the option to return unsold titles by
    simply ripping the front covers off, mailing back the covers
    and destroying the rest of the book. Does the BookScan system
    reflect that scenario properly?
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    I've always found the numbers to be hugely suspicious. I had my publishing company for twelve years and got to see the insider BS that this involves. They only count people inside the club and even then they fudge the numbers. Given that, this makes the abysmal numbers of sales reported here even worse...
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  • From Richard Falken@1:135/115 to John Dovey Firecat on Friday, February 11, 2022 08:59:35
    Re: https://upstreamreviews.com/?p=
    By: John Dovey Firecat to Richard Falken on Fri Feb 11 2022 04:59 pm

    Ok. *that* one. I thought you might be talking about the *Sad Puppies* episode...

    Heh, the Sad Puppies came to mind, but they are definetively not what I was talking about (and totally not the last crisis).

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