BWAHWAHWA that's so bad
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Dr Sharon Aitken wrote to All <=-

BWAHWAHWA that's so bad

What is? No idea what you're referring to.



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Dr Sharon Aitken wrote to All <=-

BWAHWAHWA that's so bad

What is? No idea what you're referring to.



Hi Dan,
Sharon was replying to a message on Telegram which had an image embedded in it. unfortunately, the gateway cannot carry images across.

All the best
John

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Dr Sharon Aitken wrote to All <=-

BWAHWAHWA that's so bad

What is? No idea what you're referring to.

Hi Dan,
I've transcribed the text from the meme that Sharon was commenting on below. All the best
John


Wizard: Why is the barbarian carrying a skillet?
Bard: He thinks it's his spellcasting focus.
Wizard: He has spells?
Bard: Just one. Every time he hits someone with it he shouts "Cast Iron!"


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John Dovey wrote to Dan Clough <=-

Dr Sharon Aitken wrote to All <=-

BWAHWAHWA that's so bad

What is? No idea what you're referring to.

Hi Dan,
Sharon was replying to a message on Telegram which had an image
embedded in it. unfortunately, the gateway cannot carry images
across.

I see. What's the point of crossposting/gating it to FidoNet then?

Maybe "Telegram" should stay within "Telegram".



... Nothing is so smiple that it can't get screwed up.
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Hi Dan...

John Dovey wrote to Dan Clough <=-

Dr Sharon Aitken wrote to All <=-

BWAHWAHWA that's so bad

What is? No idea what you're referring to.

Hi Dan,
Sharon was replying to a message on Telegram which had an image
embedded in it. unfortunately, the gateway cannot carry images
across.

I see. What's the point of crossposting/gating it to FidoNet then?
Maybe "Telegram" should stay within "Telegram".
... Nothing is so smiple that it can't get screwed up.
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The person did not form a R)eply. They just posted a brand new message in response to the last one they saw on the screen.

Ciao!
/|ug (https://t.me/aabolins)

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I see. What's the point of crossposting/gating it to FidoNet then?


Maybe "Telegram" should stay within "Telegram".



The point is simply that FidoNet is doomed to a smaller and smaller audience if some attempt isn't made to bridge the gap to more modern interfaces. The Telegram gateway is currently the best experiment in that area.
Feel free to continue this discussion/debate in Future4Fido. I'd prefer to keep it off this echo.

Thanks
John
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John Dovey wrote to Dan Clough <=-

I see. What's the point of crossposting/gating it to FidoNet
then?

Maybe "Telegram" should stay within "Telegram".

Look at this mess of "quoting style" above.... It's not only ugly,
it's inaccurate. See below.

The point is simply that FidoNet is doomed to a smaller and
smaller audience if some attempt isn't made to bridge the gap to
more modern interfaces.

That's been true for 30 years, and the interfaces have been modernized
quite a bit already.

The Telegram gateway is currently the best experiment in that area.

Well it's not much of an experiment, by the looks of it. FidoNet is
about *text* messaging, not replying to "embedded images", with no
quoting or context available. Just doesn't work well.

Feel free to continue this discussion/debate in Future4Fido.
I'd prefer to keep it off this echo.

Fair enough, okay.


... AAcckk!! II''mm iinn hhaallff dduupplleexx
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August Abolins wrote to Dan Clough <=-

Hi Dan...

John Dovey wrote to Dan Clough <=-

Dr Sharon Aitken wrote to All <=-

BWAHWAHWA that's so bad

What is? No idea what you're referring to.

Hi Dan,
Sharon was replying to a message on Telegram which had an image
embedded in it. unfortunately, the gateway cannot carry images
across.

I see. What's the point of crossposting/gating it to FidoNet then?
Maybe "Telegram" should stay within "Telegram".

The person did not form a R)eply. They just posted a brand new
message in response to the last one they saw on the screen.

Kinda splitting hairs there, aren't you? "In response to" doesn't mean
the same thing as "Replying"?

My point here is that this Telegram translation/gate/crossover is not
very good, and isn't keeping with the established purpose of FidoNet -
which is exchanging *text* messages in a recognized manner.



... If it weren't for Edison we'd be using computers by candlelight
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Re: Re: BWAHWAHWA that's so
By: Dan Clough to August Abolins on Sat Apr 30 2022 17:59:00

Kinda splitting hairs there, aren't you? "In response to" doesn't mean the same thing as "Replying"?

It doesn't. For

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Re: Re: BWAHWAHWA that's so
By: Dan Clough to August Abolins on Sat Apr 30 2022 17:59:00

Kinda splitting hairs there, aren't you? "In response to" doesn't mean
the same thing as "Replying"?

It doesn't. For

Sorry for this. I hit the wrong button.

I meant to say that for new users, aka those who have never used Fido before, that we are trying to gently get involved, the difference is marginal as they are accustomed to a different style.
replying to message with a completely new message makes complete sense in any of the IM apps.

All the best
John
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John Dovey wrote to John Dovey <=-

By: Dan Clough to August Abolins on Sat Apr 30 2022 17:59:00

Kinda splitting hairs there, aren't you? "In response to" doesn't mean
the same thing as "Replying"?

I meant to say that for new users, aka those who have never used
Fido before, that we are trying to gently get involved, the
difference is marginal as they are accustomed to a different
style. replying to message with a completely new message makes
complete sense in any of the IM apps.

Perhaps it does, in any of the IM apps.

My point is.... This here is *NOT* an IM app. In my particular case,
I'm reading a QWK packet of echomail on a laptop computer. Many others
might be reading this message on the actual message base while logged
into a BBS.

The "translation" in going from Telegram to the other (original)
interfaces is what sucks. This is *FIDONET*, not an IM app. Regardless
of what you believe, or want, they are not the same thing.



... So easy, a child could do it. Child sold separately.
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John Dovey wrote to John Dovey <=-

By: Dan Clough to August Abolins on Sat Apr 30 2022 17:59:00
I meant to say that for new users, aka those who have never used
Fido before, that we are trying to gently get involved, the
difference is marginal as they are accustomed to a different
style. replying to message with a completely new message makes
complete sense in any of the IM apps.

Perhaps it does, in any of the IM apps.
My point is.... This here is *NOT* an IM app. In my particular case, I'm reading a QWK packet of echomail on a laptop computer. Many others might be reading this message on the actual message base while logged into a BBS.
The "translation" in going from Telegram to the other (original) interfaces is what sucks. This is *FIDONET*, not an IM app. Regardless of what you believe, or want, they are not the same thing.
... So easy, a child could do it. Child sold separately.
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And yet here we are, with me replying to you from Telegram. Being all modern. --- tg BBS v0.7.1
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John Dovey Firecat wrote to Dan Clough <=-

John Dovey wrote to John Dovey <=-

By: Dan Clough to August Abolins on Sat Apr 30 2022 17:59:00
I meant to say that for new users, aka those who have never used
Fido before, that we are trying to gently get involved, the
difference is marginal as they are accustomed to a different
style. replying to message with a completely new message makes
complete sense in any of the IM apps.

Perhaps it does, in any of the IM apps.
My point is.... This here is *NOT* an IM app. In my particular case,
I'm reading a QWK packet of echomail on a laptop computer. Many others might be reading this message on the actual message base while logged
into a BBS.
The "translation" in going from Telegram to the other (original) interfaces is what sucks. This is *FIDONET*, not an IM app. Regardless of what you believe, or want, they are not the same thing.
... So easy, a child could do it. Child sold separately.
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And yet here we are, with me replying to you from Telegram. Being
all modern. --- tg BBS v0.7.1
* Origin: Fido by Telegram BBS from Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/256)

Yep, looks reasonably good. First message I've seen that does. Can you
pass on the secret of doing it properly to everybody else who wishes to
use Telegram? That would be a good thing.



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And yet here we are, with me replying to you from Telegram. Being

all modern. --- tg BBS v0.7.1

* Origin: Fido by Telegram BBS from Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/256)

Yep, looks reasonably good. First message I've seen that does. Can you

pass on the secret of doing it properly to everybody else who wishes to

use Telegram? That would be a good thing.


Doesn't it strike you as absolutely ironic that the reply formatting you like is from Telegram and the reply formatting you criticize is from Fido?

SMH

JD
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John Dovey wrote to Dan Clough <=-

And yet here we are, with me replying to you from Telegram. Being

all modern. --- tg BBS v0.7.1

* Origin: Fido by Telegram BBS from Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/256)

Yep, looks reasonably good. First message I've seen that does.
Can you

pass on the secret of doing it properly to everybody else who
wishes to

use Telegram? That would be a good thing.

Doesn't it strike you as absolutely ironic that the reply
formatting you like is from Telegram and the reply formatting you criticize is from Fido?

Nope, it doesn't, because you're wrong. The above is how it arrived
here. Garbled ugly mess, and inaccurate to boot. As far as I can tell
this latest reply from you came from a phone, and that's why it looks so crappy. It's garbage. When sent from a computer/BBS, it looks fine
(assuming the writer knows a little about what they're doing).

You can argue all you want, but the evidence is right there above.



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