Nancy wrote --

An example of the smaller places that I was particularly thinking about
was a small restaurant

Restaurants usually operate on a shoe string, unless some big chain.
When I was in the produce business I saw many, many places come and go.
And it didn't matter if some small hole-in-the-wall or some fancy place.
Running a restaurant is for the love of it, not to make a lot of money.
Joe
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In a post between "JOE MACKEY : NANCY BACKUS", on 11/29/2019 5:52 AM

Restaurants usually operate on a shoe string, unless some
big chain. When I was in the produce business I saw many,
many places come and go. And it didn't matter if some small hole-in-the-wall or some fancy place. Running a restaurant
is for the love of it, not to make a lot of money.

I've seen several "for the love of it" restaurants only operate for a few short
years and then be "forced" to close. It primarily had to do with whether the operator owned the building or not. If not, then increasing rents made it difficult to operate on a living-wage profit and still have enough to cover operating expenses. If they owned the building or space, then more of the earnings could be retained for growth of the biz.

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Aug wrote --

I've seen several "for the love of it" restaurants only operate for a few

short years and then be "forced" to close. It primarily had to do with whether
the operator owned the building or not.

Very true.
It also has to do with becoming established. That usually takes a while.
People may crowd a place for first few weeks then business will drop.
Location is very important as well.
And all the expenses to open and maintain a place till they start to turn
a profit.
Fluctuation in the meat, veggie and other areas can cut into profit
keeping a place open.
Along with whether they are offering something new that's acceptable to
the community or simply just another burger joint or the like.
Joe
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Quoting Joe Mackey to Nancy Backus on 11-29-19 05:52 <=-

An example of the smaller places that I was particularly thinking about
was a small restaurant

Restaurants usually operate on a shoe string, unless some big chain.
When I was in the produce business I saw many, many places come and
go. And it didn't matter if some small hole-in-the-wall or some
fancy place. Running a restaurant is for the love of it, not to make
a lot of money.

Exactly.... and one does have to be somewhat savvy to make a go of it,
along with providing good food and service... We regularly eat at a
number of those small restaurants... doing our little part to keep them afloat... :)

ttyl neb

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Quoting August Abolins to Joe Mackey on 11-30-19 04:33 <=-

In a post between "JOE MACKEY : NANCY BACKUS", on 11/29/2019 5:52 AM

Restaurants usually operate on a shoe string, unless some
big chain. When I was in the produce business I saw many,
many places come and go. And it didn't matter if some small
hole-in-the-wall or some fancy place. Running a restaurant
is for the love of it, not to make a lot of money.

I've seen several "for the love of it" restaurants only operate for a
few short years and then be "forced" to close. It primarily had to do with whether the operator owned the building or not. If not, then increasing rents made it difficult to operate on a living-wage profit
and still have enough to cover operating expenses. If they owned the building or space, then more of the earnings could be retained for
growth of the biz.

The other major factor is wages.... even with rent to consider, one can
make a good go of it as long as one keeps it all in the family, and
doesn't have to pay wages.... and carefully keeps waste to a minimum...
we've seen that work well... :) And, if one is paying wages, things
will probably stay stable for years as long as one owns the building outright... ;)

ttyl neb

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Nancy wrote --

Exactly.... and one does have to be somewhat savvy to make a go of it,
along with providing good food and service... We regularly eat at a
number of those small restaurants... doing our little part to keep them afloat... :)

I much prefer locally owned places over chains.
Too often a chain will come in and wipe out the mom-and-pop places.
Joe
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I much prefer locally owned places over chains.
Too often a chain will come in and wipe out the mom-and-pop places.
Joe

Very much agreed!
Break the chains!

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E wrote --

Very much agreed!
Break the chains!

I think food in mom-and-pop tastes better than anything from a chain.
Don't recognise you E, welcome to Memories.
Joe Mackey
Moderator
Huntington, WV




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Re: Taxes
By: E Sullens to JOE MACKEY on Thu Dec 05 2019 07:29 pm

I much prefer locally owned places over chains.
Too often a chain will come in and wipe out the mom-and-pop places.

This is true in almost everything. I'm an independent auto parts store owner. Competition is fierce.

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On 06 Dec 2019, JOE MACKEY said the following...

I think food in mom-and-pop tastes better than anything from a chain.
Don't recognise you E, welcome to Memories.

Sometimes worse because of the quality of the product. Then again, I'm
biased. Been managing Waffle Houses for 33 years.

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Quoting Joe Mackey to Nancy Backus on 12-04-19 06:15 <=-

Exactly.... and one does have to be somewhat savvy to make a go of it, along with providing good food and service... We regularly eat at a
number of those small restaurants... doing our little part to keep them afloat... :)

I much prefer locally owned places over chains.
Too often a chain will come in and wipe out the mom-and-pop places.

When it comes to restaurants, we mostly just ignore the chains... plenty
of good local places to go, generally for less cost, or at least not
more expensive, and much better food... :) I suppose some types of restaurants might need to establish themselves, like a local pizza place
or such, to be able to compete with the chains, but again, they are
likely better food, so even so would stand a chance....

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