Cyberpope wrote --

True enough; my seeming natural affinity for reading & English styuff in school goes back to my mom teaching me young & instilling a love of reading

When I was growing up there were always books in the house, then I found
the school library, then the public library. Books can open up a whole new world to people.
Unfortunately many parents just plop their young ones in front of the one-eyed babysitter and never instill a love of reading into the kids, probably because the parent was never taught that.

I read adult scifi

I am a non-fiction reader, mostly history, science, biographies, etc.

Heinlein- then reread as ab adult to discover another world in his writings)

I am like that with news.
I read/listen to both sides and make my own decisions. Of course I agree more with the writer who shares my opinion on things. :)

Sure, it was lurid, but it put it all in a perspective

Perception is very important on any subject.

schools don't teach "history" they force the memorisation of names(people & places) & numbers, usually out of contect of the nmotivations involved.

It is very important to not only know dates of events (your example of
The Great War, Arch Duke Ferdinand, etc). But it is also very important to know the background of why it happened.
Sure he was shot in 1914, Germany, England, France, Russia went to war
but what were some of the underlying reasons aren't taught or skimmed over.
The British Empire is seldom mentioned seeing Germany as a competitor in colonies (mostly in Africa), Germany building a navy to compete with
England, the Austro-Hungarian Empire about to collapse from inside making room for
Germany, which had only been a
Then add in the reason for colonies and empires, which was mostly based
on trade, not just conquering some country because they were weaker, etc.
To often there is little context taught.
History doesn't happen in a vacuum.

Nobody's learning from history, because nobody's teaching it any more, to kids, anyway.

Yep. --sigh--

Sort of like people believed X because society thought Y.

Yup, & this is readily accessible now by digesting popular TV, movies, & books.

Too often movies and tv don't give a subject a lot fact and often is one sided.
If one wants to present some one-sided argument about something, fine,
just be honest about not try and pretend its the only side.

& other kneejerk isms, like "war solves nothing." (hmm? Slavery, Nazism?)

And notice how suddenly that side wants to change the subject?
Or the "Yeah, but" argument.

I'd love to terach,

I do a lot of training for new parking enforcement officers but I
quickly get bored repeating the same thing often either "by the book" or out in the field.
I could never be a teacher repeating the same thing several times a day
in a class.
Once every couple of months is about my limit. :)
Joe
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Kurt wrote --

I struggled with math all through high school and college

I was never any good at math.
In college I was a journalism major and there were not math classes
required. Yeah.
A lot of what I know was learned outside of formal education, as I needed
to know and the ability to apply that to whatever the situation calls for.
But its odd.
I have trouble with a figures but it I translate those into money I do
ok.
Take 5038 minus 347 I make that
$5,038.00
- 347.00
--------
$4,691.00

Works for me. :)
Joe
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Joe,

Works for me. :)

Sounds like a dime is a dollar with all the taxes taken out. <G>

Daryl

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When I was growing up there were always books in the house, then I found the school library, then the public library. Books can open up a whole new world to people.

Amen! I had a slew of books suited to my changing reading level/age, but also a huge shelf of more adulty books (not "adult", 'though I did find one my dad left out when I was 9 & added to my knowledge & wonder of the adult world)

Unfortunately many parents just plop their young ones in front of the one-eyed babysitter and never instill a love of reading into the kids, probably because the parent was never taught that.

Yup. My tv, until I was 12, was limited to watching with my parents whatever they were watching, plus Saturday morning cartoons(before they all got political-only); at 12, I got a 12" B&W of my own & could watch my own programming, on the understanding that I'd know better than to watch what I'd know was inappropriate. (& I really did!)

Because I was, thank God, raised properly, I did know right from wrong.

First saw & rode a city bus at age 19. Naturally, I sat in the first seats I found empty, so I could see where I was going & not walk any more than required. When older folk, especially witgh canes, entewred the bus, I was up like a shot &6 moving back, as I could see into the future alternative history & feel my dad beside me, as I kept sitting, & felt a cuff upside the head & a very stern, no-nonsense, "You do NOT take a seat from a senior."

This derives from my having to crosdsd the street every snow day & shovel a wide pat5h from door to road for a senior neighbour, wide enough for her & her cane, & completely free of snow or ice (our own walkway just had to be reasonably cleared)

Knowledge from example -- no better way!

Personally I think this goes with the loss of religion being a part of modern society/culture.

I know there was right & wrong, & I didn't think of myself as operating in a vacuum. My actions were observed/known, & I certainly had the option to choose differently.

This went back to the examples my dad demonstrated, of knowing what I did wrong, sometimes before I even did it! ("Don't even think about [...]")

I read adult scifi

I am a non-fiction reader, mostly history, science, biographies, etc.

I read this, too, now. . . :) Usually have one or two of each going at any given time.

I was surprised to find a couple of biographies I've really loved: Ruth Ginsburg's, Steve Jobs', & some by practicing(not just teaching) PhD scientists, giving me new knowkedge & inside peeks. . .

Heinlein- then reread as ab adult to discover another world in his writings)

I am like that with news.
I read/listen to both sides and make my own decisions. Of course I agree more with the writer who shares my opinion on things. :)

Funny that; me, too! *LOL*

I like watching pro poker, & I've read dozens of the best books written by successful career players(who else to consult?) & I'm lovingf how I sees asituatoin & maker a mwental decision of how I'd plkay it & then they do the same, & the commentator explains why it's the best play (I didn't know why - it just seemed right by instinct.)

You give me a good stake, & I'll be a successful career player soon enough!

That's not happening by you or anyone else, so I keep playing online & learning, & putting all my 'extra' money into the family/household, & maybe one day, when this job of raising kids is done, I can explore a new hobby that might provide a nice nut for retirement.

Some thing else the young don't have: the concept of delayed gratification equaling greater returns all over.

Sure, it was lurid, but it put it all in a perspective

Perception is very important on any subject.

Too bad they remove context from everything now, even in schools.

I had a few deelightful teachers who loved at least one subject & it showed. Math was taught with real-life exanmples ofwhy a new concept is useful. Scence was taugfht with flair & no unwilingness to answer any questions I had (some not during classtime, of course)

Creative Writing, too, was simply encouraged & my first efforts were judged realistically & without unnecessary pandering nor negativity, encouraging me to try harder, to polish up the rough edges (as that's all they are, from a 9-10yo beginner)

I loved writing for years, but some of life got in there & broke my momentum, but I hope/want to get back into it, but more non-fiction now, I'm thinking. . .

I still write bits & pieces here & there -- usually letters that I intend to encourage specific actions (fundraising, lobbying, & such)

schools don't teach "history" they force the memorisation of names(people & places) & numbers, usually out of contect of the nmotivations involved.

It is very important to not only know dates of events (your example of
The Great War, Arch Duke Ferdinand, etc). But it is also very important to know the background of why it happened.
Sure he was shot in 1914, Germany, England, France, Russia went to war but what were some of the underlying reasons aren't taught or skimmed over.
The British Empire is seldom mentioned seeing Germany as a competitor in colonies (mostly in Africa), Germany building a navy to compete with England, the Austro-Hungarian Empire about to collapse from inside making room for
Germany, which had only been a
Then add in the reason for colonies and empires, which was mostly based
on trade, not just conquering some country because they were weaker, etc.
To often there is little context taught.
History doesn't happen in a vacuum.

Exactly. It's sad that they don't teach it (I don't think this was ever the schools' job,. but more the parents & grandparents & extended family, to tell stories from their perspective & experiences)

Like the Little Johnny wartime tale with the moral: "The moral of the story is you don't {mess} with my grandpa when he's been drinking."

Nobody's learning from history, because nobody's teaching it any more, to kids, anyway.

Yep. --sigh--

You have to dig it out of the morass; & they don't teach this kind of initiative towards learning any more either. I was last generation for this, too, I fear.

One fave example from my life is how in grade 5(age 10) the Social Studies teacher brought up how the next segment of history teaching(provincial mandatory curriculum was about where we come from, but hat he's not allowed to look at it from every side, so it was up to us to learn & debate it in class.

We had as cvouple days to research our chosen poisition (pretty much evolution vs Creation) & prepare a presentastion to the class on why it should be the one we all accept as the real facts.

Thge summary, on Friday was that the only view with objective favts we can look up in the encyclopedia & defend, using otherfacts, was Evolution, & we're free to believe Creation all we want, but school time will be reserved for evolutionary presupositions. We were encouraged to ask our parents to take us to Sunday school if we wanted to l;earn more of the Creation.

I lived in a sort of Bible Belt, so he couldn't just focus on evolution-based teaching, & keep his job, reputation, & family, I 'spect.

Even now, 40+ years later, I admire this approach taken with ten year olds.
How he walked a difficult & thin line successfully & gave us the tools we could always use to make decisions about how we feel about our universe.

I spent a bit of time as an athiest, hostile to all religion, then went through a fundamentalism phase; now I'm more what your founding fathers would call a Deist. (The universe was created, but I couldn't explain Who or how very accurately, I'm sure)

I love a lively discussion of the topcs with believers of all types & athiests of all types. I find common ground with all.

I guess because my attitude isn't my way is the ojnly waqy, nor is it on "winning"

To stay within the boundaries here, & I'll just say that I believe exclusionary approaches to be inherently flawed. Example: "God must love insects: He made so many of them."

Glossary, which puts my words into licit use:
God: Without prejudice: however one views such a concept/person
He: the correct English neuter pronoun
made: they're here, aren't they?

Those three can be expanded in one's own understandings as necessary to realize I'm not making an incendiary statement, nor an exclusi8onary one.

Communication, not friction, is my goal. . .

My ultimate concept of true good religion boils down to this: "to love & to learn."; I've yet to find a religion(including athiestic ones) that can't be likened to this phrase.

Like has been said: "I love everybody, & you're next!" (spiritually, people, settle down!)

Sort of like people believed X because society thought Y.

Yup, & this is readily accessible now by digesting popular TV, movies, & books.

Too often movies and tv don't give a subject a lot fact and often is one sided.
If one wants to present some one-sided argument about something, fine, just be honest about not try and pretend its the only side.

Exactly; i'm able to uynderstand modern society's shallowness by digestiung their more pouplar inputs. (ezxcept I tend to not give much weight to rap, nor Jerry Springer-esque personalities/shows--I know they exist, & I get some of why they're popular, &. . . I'm done.)

& other kneejerk isms, like "war solves nothing." (hmm? Slavery, Nazism?)

And notice how suddenly that side wants to change the subject?
Or the "Yeah, but" argument.

I'd never heard "but" with a full stop after, befdore that! :P

I'd love to terach,

I do a lot of training for new parking enforcement officers but I
quickly get bored repeating the same thing often either "by the book" or out in the field.
I could never be a teacher repeating the same thing several times a day in a class.
Once every couple of months is about my limit. :)

Yup, I get this. My teaching would have to be in the context of doing. I believe I could teaxch a classof ten to sixteen year olds the same curriculum every year, but make it new & different each time, so that no two classes would have the same understanding of the subjects.

My 'trick' would be that my teaching would be reflective & inclusive of my students each year.

I was Sundasy Dschool teacher once, becausethey needed another, & I listened to my kids (8-10 year olds) complain about leaerning the same stories from the same stupid piocture books every year since they were two! So the next week, I pulled a list of topics out of my butt & presented it to them to choose one.

They chose "Women of the Bible" (I liked that they did, actually, as I felt quite confident I could make this subject sing & dance for them)

Nothing but accolades & appreciation were communicated to me by parents & other leaders in the church, so I believe in my methodology not learned in any loonyversity, textbook, or ready-made curriculum.

I scared the other teachers at first but they came on board as we(my class) progressed.

I was so freakingly impressed by the kids' insights, even at that tender age!

Lots of fun!

Your friend,

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George,

Because I was, thank God, raised properly, I did know right from wrong.

I was as well...getting my share of spankings (although I think my brother got more), and we both consider ourselves better for it.

First saw & rode a city bus at age 19. Naturally, I sat in the first seats I found empty, so I could see where I was going & not walk any
more than required. When older folk, especially witgh canes, entewred
the bus, I was up like a shot &6 moving back, as I could see into the future alternative history & feel my dad beside me, as I kept sitting,
& felt a cuff upside the head & a very stern, no-nonsense, "You do NOT take a seat from a senior."

Even though I'm disabled, I will yield the VAN handicapped parking spaces
to those who need such. There are many people in far worse shape than I am.

Personally I think this goes with the loss of religion being a part of modern society/culture.

We also threw out any sense of morality and conduct. Now, it's like
"anything goes".

I loved writing for years, but some of life got in there & broke my momentum, but I hope/want to get back into it, but more non-fiction
now, I'm thinking. . .

I write Gospel Poetry every so often, but rarely do songs anymore. There
is a classic Story And Clark upright spinet piano here, but it's likely
way out of tune, as I doubt it has been played since 2 years before my Mom died.

Like the Little Johnny wartime tale with the moral: "The moral of the story is you don't {mess} with my grandpa when he's been drinking."

I liked the late Archie Campbell's "Bedtime Stories For Adults". Those included the Spoonerisms of Rindercella and The Pee Thrittle Igs. <G> You
can search for that on YouTube.

I spent a bit of time as an athiest, hostile to all religion, then went through a fundamentalism phase; now I'm more what your founding fathers would call a Deist. (The universe was created, but I couldn't explain
Who or how very accurately, I'm sure)

Without going too deep into creation, the point is "you can't get something from nothing"...you have to have a Creator. I'm reminded of the joke where
this athiest tells God that "he has found a way to create things"...and says "First, you take some dirt...", and God interjects "Hold on!! Get our own dirt". <G>

To stay within the boundaries here, & I'll just say that I believe exclusionary approaches to be inherently flawed. Example: "God must
love insects: He made so many of them."

The stinging ones and the rodents I have to wonder why they bother us.
Or like the tagline "Don't you wish Noah had swatted those 2 mosquitoes??". Along that line, I did Bill Cosby's "Noah And The Ark" for my final exam
in 10th grade drama class in high school...I got a perfect score. :)

Like has been said: "I love everybody, & you're next!" (spiritually, people, settle down!)

I think of the one where this guy told this girl in the relationship,
he'd work to get rid of cancer in life. When told "that's commendable",
he said "I'll go after the Capricorns next". <G>

Exactly; i'm able to uynderstand modern society's shallowness by digestiung their more pouplar inputs. (ezxcept I tend to not give much weight to rap, nor Jerry Springer-esque personalities/shows--I know
they exist, & I get some of why they're popular, &. . . I'm done.)

Or you go to the hockey games to watch the fights. <G>

Daryl

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Cyberpope wrote --

Amen! I had a slew of books suited to my changing reading level/age, but also a huge shelf of more adulty books

My father brought a Encyclopedia Britannia which I loved reading.
I would just grab a volume at random, to start, and read from cover to
cover. Later I would read it starting with Volume One.
That disappeared in a move when I was around 13/14.

Yup. My tv, until I was 12, was limited to watching with my parents whatever they were watching,

Same here.
Until I was 18, and on my own, there was only one tv in the house. And before cable was thought of and only three or four channels.
Now I don't even have a tv. Got rid of it years ago. And I don't miss
it.

Because I was, thank God, raised properly, I did know right from wrong.

Same here.

First saw & rode a city bus at age 19.

I guess I was around 10 at the time. Had a ride to school then get home
on my own.
Today a 10 year-old riding a bus alone would cause a lot of people to go
into a swoon.

Naturally, I sat in the first seats I found empty

I like to ride in back. That way I can keep an eye on what's going on
around me.

When older folk, especially witgh canes, entewred the bus, I was up like a shot &6 moving back

At my age that is getting more and more rare. :)

Personally I think this goes with the loss of religion being a part of modern society/culture.

Agreed.
Joe
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Daryl wrote --

Without going too deep into creation, the point is "you can't get something from nothing"...you have to have a Creator.

I like the reply Billy Graham gave an interviewer if he believed in
creation or the big bang theory. He replied "I believe God created everything, with a big bang". :)

Or you go to the hockey games to watch the fights. <G>

I guess you heard about the big street fight where a hockey game broke
out.
Joe
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Even though I'm disabled, I will yield the VAN handicapped parking spaces to those who need such. There are many people in far worse shape than I am.

That's yhe recommended use of the parking placardss here; I got mine & a note said, "If you're having a good enough day to use a different parking stall, please do so & leave the accessible ones for those in worse shape."

When riding with as friend, I'll get then to drop me near the entrance themn go find a patking space elsewhere (I keep my placard in my pocket unless it's really needed for me--not for them)

We also threw out any sense of morality and conduct. Now, it's like "anything goes".

Yup, baby followed bathwater into the sewer. .

I liked the late Archie Campbell's "Bedtime Stories For Adults". Those included the Spoonerisms of Rindercella and The Pee Thrittle Igs. <G> You can search for that on YouTube.

I love those; came across a bunxch in texty format on this echo near 20 years ago -- prolly still have them on my IBM486 in the closet.

Without going too deep into creation, the point is "you can't get something from nothing"...you have to have a Creator.

& I'm of the belief that mere mortals cannot copmrehend the immortal nor infinite in any describable way, & I leave everyone to their own metaphors...

If their metaphorical beliefs lead to the harming of others, I can easily disprove them, otherwise -- have at it!

I'm reminded of the

joke where
this athiest tells God that "he has found a way to create things"...and says "First, you take some dirt...", and God interjects "Hold on!! Get our own dirt". <G>

I love that one!

The stinging ones and the rodents I have to wonder why they bother us.
Or like the tagline "Don't you wish Noah had swatted those 2 mosquitoes??".

Ellen Degeres did a bit where she phoned up God to ask about the mosquitos, paused as if listening, & said, "Oh, no, I hadn't considered all those working in the perst control industry."

Along that line, I did Bill Cosby's "Noah And The Ark" for my final exam
in 10th grade drama class in high school...I got a perfect score. :)

One of my fave Cosby bits, but all are tainted now, sadly, by what he became.

I think of the one where this guy told this girl in the relationship,
he'd work to get rid of cancer in life. When told "that's commendable",
he said "I'll go after the Capricorns next". <G>

Red flag for psychopath warning!

Or you go to the hockey games to watch the fights. <G>

I went to a boxing match & a hockey game broke out! It was almost a shock!

Butr fair is fair, I guess. . .

I don't watch nor play sports. Ok, sports involving barely dressed shapely fenmales I might watch for artistic appreciation, of course. (like figure skating -- gymnastics, too, until I found out that they retire at age 11!)

Your friend,

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My father brought a Encyclopedia Britannia which I loved reading.

We had te 1867 kleather+silver bicentenniel edition of Encyclopedia Britannica, & also a World Book set.

I would just grab a volume at random, to start, and read from cover to cover. Later I would read it starting with Volume One.
That disappeared in a move when I was around 13/14.

I did tthat, too, but more often, I'd gran a ramdom one, start reading, then start chassing citations to read more on a subject that caught my interest. (We also had the yearly update volume from '68 til '80, as I was long one from home by then & my younger sibs only used the Worldbook set.)

Yup. My tv, until I was 12, was limited to watching with my parents whatever they were watching,

Same here.
Until I was 18, and on my own, there was only one tv in the house. And before cable was thought of and only three or four channels.
Now I don't even have a tv. Got rid of it years ago. And I don't miss it.

Yup, we had the same, 3 or 4; likely a different set! :D

Got cable in our town in '78 & my dad got it, as his Saturday wrestling had moved channels. . . I was stikl the remote, of course, & my dad would ask me to put it on 10, & I'd ask "channel tewn, or number ten?" as I couldn't not consider the difference & try to clue into the number he was giving me from the post-delivered TV gUide(remember it?); eventually he started saying "channel 10(local)" or "number 10(ABC from Seattle); channel 10 moved to 13 with cable & 10 was 4. . . (now ABC's on 2, wheere our first on-screen TV Listing was, also the old video game consoles! Like the oribinal Pong my dad borrowed one weekend from a workmate; he was enrtaptured by the tech; I was already blase at 11, in '78)

Because I was, thank God, raised properly, I did know right from wrong.

Same here.

Makes a nice differtence, erxcept we now know all too well what happens to thosewhgo weren't. I used to get mad at them all, but now I just pity them.

Aging puts everything into new perspectives, eh?

First saw & rode a city bus at age 19.

I guess I was around 10 at the time. Had a ride to school then get home on my own.
Today a 10 year-old riding a bus alone would cause a lot of people to go into a swoon.

Was it a city bus or dedicated schoolbus?

Naturally, I sat in the first seats I found empty

I like to ride in back. That way I can keep an eye on what's going on around me.

I get that; I did that when on Gryhound, going cross-country.

When older folk, especially witgh canes, entewred the bus, I was up like a shot &6 moving back

At my age that is getting more and more rare. :)

I get that. I'm allowed per my disability (using a cane when not on my wheelchair) but I got wearied of riding because the only ones who got up to give me a seat were white haired seniors who maty well havew needed the seat that day (likely they'd only sat because there wasn't a lot of choice at the ti8mie)

So, now, with a wheelchair, I have my own bays to park at & be secured; I might 'accidentally' run over & scuff the $400 Nike "kicks" of those college kids sprawled in the seniors' seat, but never a senor, except once I bumped an 88yo lafy's shoes (nor harm but she began caterwalling, to force me to be a gentleman & accept her reparation dsemand of my buying her a drink at her care home's pub night(that night); at $1 a drink, & bext door to my place, how could I not?! It was fun -- git my arse whupped by a 102-year-old gent, twice, in Checkers! Danced with my 'date' & a few others, up when I could, in my chair when I needed to. I like older music (only as far bac, usually, as Big Band / WW2 era; they were more into what your parents must've listened to as kids. . .

Personally I think this goes with the loss of religion being a part of modern society/culture.

Agreed.

You've had a few more years to observe the change than I. . .

What year were you born? I'm only as far back as 1967.

Your friend,

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Joe,

I like the reply Billy Graham gave an interviewer if he believed in creation or the big bang theory. He replied "I believe God created everything, with a big bang". :)

There you go.

I guess you heard about the big street fight where a hockey game
broke out.

And, now for something completely different!! :P

Daryl

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George,

One of my fave Cosby bits, but all are tainted now, sadly, by what he became.

He had another one where the 2 gangs were competing against other for the "buck buck championship" of the world.

The "home gang" noted "the opposition is cheating, with rocks in their pockets". When it came time for the opposition to be the "horse", the
responses were:

1) What was that?? A mosquito??!!
2) A piece of paper!!

We've got you beat...bring out your last man.

Dead silence, then "Come Out, Fat Albert!!" Hey, Hey Hey!!", and the
ground starts shaking. Needless to say, the opposition conceded when
they saw Fat Albert coming. <G>

I think of the one where this guy told this girl in the relationship,
he'd work to get rid of cancer in life. When told "that's commendable",
he said "I'll go after the Capricorns next". <G>

Red flag for psychopath warning!

Cue the music for "The Shining".

I went to a boxing match & a hockey game broke out! It was almost a
shock!

Someone else said the same thing.

I don't watch nor play sports. Ok, sports involving barely dressed shapely fenmales I might watch for artistic appreciation, of course.
(like figure skating -- gymnastics, too, until I found out that they retire at age 11!)

I wondered how they stayed in the outfits, as they were so tight on
them. I thought if they turned the wrong way, or pooted (everyone does),
they'd have a major wardrobe malfunction.

Daryl

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Cyberpope wrote --

(We also had the yearly update volume from '68 til '80

We never had any updates. It was the original 1948 or '50 books.

Yup, we had the same, 3 or 4; likely a different set!

We had NBC, which went on the air here in 1948, CBS, which went on the
air in 1952, and ABC that went on the air in 1956.
At one time the NBC station also carried some CBS shows the first couple
of years.

Got cable in our town in '78

My mother (a widow) and I got cable c. 1967 when we moved to a small town
in Colorado that was far from anything. It consisted of like five channels (NBC, CBS, ABC and two independents, from from Colorado Springs (where we
had lived for three years) and on
The cable company also a weather channel, where a camera merely panned
back and forth a series of screens with time, temp, forecast, etc.
Trinidad didn't have any tv until the cable arrived in 1966 and
departments stores (we had two) had signs in the window reading "We now sell televisions!"

10(local)" or "number 10(ABC from Seattle); channel 10 moved to 13 with cable & 10 was 4. . . (now ABC's on 2,

The cable company we had at one time did that a lot, shuffling local
stations around so Channel 3 would be on 4, etc. Then after one learned where the channels were actually on they did it again.
Like stores that move things all over the place and where you brought X
they were now selling Y and X was somewhere else. I hate when they do that. Its to keep people in the store longer hoping they will buy more.

Aging puts everything into new perspectives, eh?

I like to joke that at my age nothing much surprises me any longer.

I guess I was around 10 at the time. Had a ride to school then get home on my own.

Was it a city bus or dedicated schoolbus?

City bus.

I get that; I did that when on Gryhound, going cross-country.

I generally traveled cross country (WV to CO and back to visit my mother
who was still in CO) on the train. C&O (now CSX)to Cincinnati, connect to
the NY Central to Chicago, then the Santa Fe to CO.
I went on the bus just once, and that was enough.
I missed the through bus from Cincinnati to Denver, and had to take a
local to Trinidad. That thing stopped at every wide spot in the road and if someone flagged it down in the middle of nowhere, it stopped, day or night.
Pull into some diner and told "20 minute rest stop", order the food and
maybe it would be served at the 19 minute mark, then grab whatever one could carry and run back to the bus.

What year were you born? I'm only as far back as 1967.

I was born in 1950.
Joe
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Joe,

Like stores that move things all over the place and where you brought
X they were now selling Y and X was somewhere else. I hate when they
do that. Its to keep people in the store longer hoping they will buy
more.

Been there, done that, got the wardrobe. I didn't go to the store to also get exercise...but I have to wonder if it's as expensive as a visit to the gym, the way prices are going lately. :P

I like to joke that at my age nothing much surprises me any longer.

I say that, but every so often, something happens...and I can hear my late wife as clear as day saying either "Say Who What Huh??", or "Gag Me A Goat With A Triple Backhoe" (she had a way with words). :P Duct tape can't fix stupid, but it helps masks the noise. Also, Silence is Golden, but Duct Tape
Is Silver. <G>

I went on the bus just once, and that was enough.

I rode Greyhound from North Little Rock, Arkansas to Huntsville, Alabama
for a ham radio event a few years ago. We had stops in Memphis and Nashville, Tennessee...and I had a layover to change buses in Nashville. On the way
back, my relatives who live there, picked me up, and we went out to an area White Castle restaurant for lunch of their "gut grenades", and I spent some time with them at their house, before they took me back to the bus station.

But, there was so little leg room, that my legs basically turned to water,
as they stiffened up. When I went to stand up, I nearly fell...but my pants did. Had I not had Depends on, it would've been "full moon rising" (never
mind "Bad Moon Rising" by Credence Clearwater Revival). When I traveled, I preferred going Amtrak, as I had a lot more leg room to stretch out, whether
in coach or sleeping car. But, health and finances have ended all travel outside of central Arkansas.

I was born in 1950.

Beat me by 10 years...yet in some circles, I'm still "a puppy"...but, I'm weaned and toilet trained. :P

Daryl

... Are cranberries healthy?? I never heard one complain.
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Daryl wrote --

Beat me by 10 years...yet in some circles, I'm still "a puppy"...but, I'm weaned and toilet trained. :P

Well, you're partly correct. :)
Joe
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Joe,

Beat me by 10 years...yet in some circles, I'm still "a puppy"...but, I'm

we

aned and toilet trained. :P

Well, you're partly correct. :)

It's my sphincter muscles that have gone into retirement...and you'll have the same thing as well one day, old timer. <g,d,r>

Daryl

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The cable company also a weather channel, where a camera merely panned back and forth a series of screens with time, temp, forecast, etc.

The weather channel's humble beginning, eh?

Trinidad didn't have any tv until the cable arrived in 1966 and departments stores (we had two) had signs in the window reading "We now sell televisions!"

Trinidad being a town you lived in, & not the island next to Tobago?

The cable company we had at one time did that a lot, shuffling local stations around so Channel 3 would be on 4, etc. Then after one learned where the channels were actually on they did it again.
Like stores that move things all over the place and where you brought X they were now selling Y and X was somewhere else. I hate when they do that. Its to keep people in the store longer hoping they will buy more.

Frusterating, indeed., It don't work with me -- theur ghoal may be such, but al lit does is frustrate me into rushing only to gety the desired items, tyhen get out & never return (cue Golden Goose moral)

I like to joke that at my age nothing much surprises me any longer.

I'm in wonderful shape for the shape I'm in, I joke.

I generally traveled cross country (WV to CO and back to visit my mother who was still in CO) on the train. C&O (now CSX)to Cincinnati, connect to the NY Central to Chicago, then the Santa Fe to CO.
I went on the bus just once, and that was enough.
I missed the through bus from Cincinnati to Denver, and had to take a local to Trinidad. That thing stopped at every wide spot in the road and if someone flagged it down in the middle of nowhere, it stopped, day or night.
Pull into some diner and told "20 minute rest stop", order the food and maybe it would be served at the 19 minute mark, then grab whatever one could carry and run back to the bus.

Sa,e up here on my one big Greyhound trip. I've used it for smaller trips just fine, but now they've pulled out of BC completely. I liked they could take me in my wheelchair, if I called ahead to say when I weanted the accessible coach.

Only for East-West, though. Never did take them up on it.

I was born in 1950.

Definitely got a few years on me! You were a senior(17 in grade 12?) when I was born!

Your friend,

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George,

The cable company also a weather channel, where a camera merely panned back and forth a series of screens with time, temp, forecast, etc.

The weather channel's humble beginning, eh?

I remember when they went on the air. Like Virginia Slims cigarettes,
"you've come a long way, baby". <G>

Trinidad being a town you lived in, & not the island next to Tobago?

Colorado to be exact.

I'm in wonderful shape for the shape I'm in, I joke.

I'm in shape...round's a shape.

Daryl

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Cyberpope wrote --

The cable company also a weather channel, where a camera merely panned back and forth a series of screens with time, temp, forecast, etc.

The weather channel's humble beginning, eh?

LOL. I guess so.

Trinidad didn't have any tv until the cable arrived in 1966

Trinidad being a town you lived in, & not the island next to Tobago?

Yeah, a dot of land on the NM state line in SE Colorado. Pop. about
10,000 and the largest town within a 50 mile radius.

I liked they could take me in my wheelchair

Our city buses are all HC accessible with "kneeling" buses.
The front drops down, a ramp is put out with front seating that is put up
for wheelchair space.

Definitely got a few years on me! You were a senior(17 in grade 12?) when I was born!

Yep, graduated from HS in 1968.
Joe


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The weather channel's humble beginning, eh?

I remember when they went on the air. Like Virginia Slims cigarettes, "you've come a long way, baby". <G>

It was al;reast well established by the time I knew of it. . . still don't use it much -- my wife lives it; I prefer the app for quick checks.

Trinidad being a town you lived in, & not the island next to Tobago?

Colorado to be exact.

from the high mountains to the low swamps, eh?

I'm in wonderful shape for the shape I'm in, I joke.

I'm in shape...round's a shape.

That's allowed!

I'm not round--I'm not sure what shape this is; "out of," I'd guess. . .

Your friend,

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I liked they could take me in my wheelchair

Our city buses are all HC accessible with "kneeling" buses.
The front drops down, a ramp is put out with front seating that is put up for wheelchair space.

HC = handicapped?

These are whaty we have, too -- tyhe new ones have a bay behind the driver where I back in against a padded shock bumper & no straps needed. Much more independent & speeds the buses up, especially in rush hour.

Where are you?

Definitely got a few years on me! You were a senior(17 in grade 12?) when I was born!

Yep, graduated from HS in 1968.

I was 16 months old then, in June-1968. No memories of that year, but a few the year after, when i was 2. . .

My main block of memories begin when I was 5. . .

Your friend,

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