CP wrote --

Feel free to use either in your future interactions with Marines -- friendly, pompous, or otherwise

The Navy and Marines have always been friendly rivals.
Its like a family. We pick on each other but if some outsider starts
trouble look out.
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The Navy and Marines have always been friendly rivals.
Its like a family. We pick on each other but if some outsider starts
trouble look out.

Fair play.

So why is there a Marine on every Navy ship?

How come there's no annual Navy-Marines football game?

Navy plays Army every year, no?

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How come there's no annual Navy-Marines football game?

Navy plays Army every year, no?

I watch that game every year. When they talk about the players and what
their future military career is planned to be, some of the Navy players are headed for the Marines instead of the Navy.

To my knowledge, the Marine Corp does not have its own officer's school.
Future Marine officers attend Navy.

The other four traditional branches... Army, Navy, Air Force, and the Coast Guard... all have their own academies.

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Cp wrote --

So why is there a Marine on every Navy ship?

Not every ship.
Mine was a flagship with an admiral onboard and the Marine detachment
were his body guards.
The Marines are associated with the Navy, though a separate branch of the service.
At one time the Navy was the Marine's taxi service, taking them where
they needed to go.
I work with some cops who were Marines and the friendly rivalry
continues.
One calls me "squid" and I call him "jarhead".
We were talking one day and he called us our taxi service and I replied
how we softened up the beaches for then to wade ashore could stroll along the beach. :)

How come there's no annual Navy-Marines football game?

Because we would wallop them. :)

Navy plays Army every year, no?

Oh yeah, the biggest game of the year.
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How come there's no annual Navy-Marines football game?
Navy plays Army every year, no?

I watch that game every year. When they talk about the players and what their future military career is planned to be, some of the Navy players are headed for the Marines instead of the Navy.
To my knowledge, the Marine Corp does not have its own officer's school. Future Marine officers attend Navy.
The other four traditional branches... Army, Navy, Air Force, and the Coast Guard... all have their own academies.

I did not know this.

I knew that the extreme survival train a friend of mine helps teach in Cali is atrended by both Navy SEALs & USMarines.

This school trains them to withstand torture(a very extreme class), to escape POW status, wherever they are & to make it alive to a US base or embassy.

I guess what matters is all branches are available & well-trained for the eventualities they're needed for.

I, of course, have no skin in the game. I respect those troops who are level heradeed & who respect codes of honour.

I don't respect all troops -- I don't respect those who drunkenly start fights with unarmed allies quietly drinking in a port bar.

Even when a war is unjustified, & only started because corpotrations demanded it (e./g. Viet Nam) I respect the men (& women) who believed they were putting themselves in the way of danger to protect their country(in whatever way they were told they were, even if not literally valid)

This is why I have nothing but the leastmost(negaive, even) respect for Jane Fonda, who had nothing but the uytmost disrespect for these returning soldiers.

Did you know, therte was no spitting on soldiers returjning home, at airports, as all the medusa reported?

The NYTimes published a piece debunking this claim/belief & referenced a poll that showed antiwar protesters had more respect for soldiers than for politicians or their protester peers.

Fonda was still a traitor to her country, & I can't respect that.

Even those who betrayed America in the previous wars between Canada & the US -- I've got no respect for those who break faith with their country &/or corps.

Just like how cops don't respect the informants they rely on so much.

I was a punkass JD teenager, but the cops respected me, because I respected them for just doing their job. My failing in my task (not to get caught) is in no wy t heir fault or problem. I would be simply, "Yes, sir; no sir, as you say, sir."

In the station they'd try to get inifo from me on the goings on around town. I readily admitted to knowing who was leading this wave or that wabe of crime tyheuy were tackling, but I balked at sharing that info; I was polite, "Haha, sir, like I'm going to trade my life in for an extra cigarette; thanks for playing, though."

They'd laugh, give me the pack, & let me smoke until I was ready to go lie down on my bunk again.

Out opf my peer group, I might be the only one who's still alive. Most lost it in shootouts with cops, or high speed chases, or got life in prison for some thing, & perhaps ran afoul of certain people inside.

One buddy was a known murder, yetthe police obeyed orders & declared it a suicide (even though his skeleton was found remotely, & no weapon was at the scene.)

[Ok, it was, in one sense a suicide: he chose to take an Angel's Harley for a joy ride in a town where the Angels ownerd the police detachment]

I had expected he was at the bottom of the river, actually. Othwers had their thoughts, but all knew he was dead, put down for disrespecting power.

But I'm 100% reformed nowe & far (physically & philosophically) from those times in my life.

I'm now a model citizen, working with all levels of government to improve society for all.

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Cp wrote --

So why is there a Marine on every Navy ship?

Not every ship.
Mine was a flagship with an admiral onboard and the Marine detachment
were his body guards.

Honor guard, mostly, or did they really expect someone to disturb his admiralship in an antisocial manner?

The Marines are associated with the Navy, though a separate branch of the service.
At one time the Navy was the Marine's taxi service, taking them where
they needed to go.

Why not? Smne as the USAF flies army guys whee going, now & again, eh, if they have a plane heading that way, although I understand they have to buckle in, in the cargo hold.

Taking a ship seems like a nice way to go -- relax for the time it takes, longer than a glight. . . :) (greatfor those afraid to fly)

My parents met on a ship going overseas, as her dad & mine were being reposted to France on a Canadian Air Force base for a time. (where I was born 2.5 years later)

I work with some cops who were Marines and the friendly rivalry
continues.
One calls me "squid" and I call him "jarhead".
We were talking one day and he called us our taxi service and I replied
how we softened up the beaches for then to wade ashore could stroll along the beach. :)

Why not? Gotta have fun, eh? At least the navy guys are operating the ship, while tyhe marinecools his heels, or does he get work assignments, too?

I'll continue my "A sheep would be too obvious" joke for now, though -- always gets a chuckle, even from Marine sergeants!

How come there's no annual Navy-Marines football game?

Because we would wallop them. :)

& you can't be busting their morale so badly -- they might be needed, eh?

Are the SEALs actual Navy men, or a separate, related, branch like the Marines?

I knew a ladft who trains moainly SEALs in San Diego in stuff like withstanding torture, escaping POW status & reporting in with intel gathered(implication there needs to be some)

Brutal tests they go through -- like that SEAL pre-qualifying test, where they darn near get drowned, trying to force a few to quit before graduation (something-"SUB"?)

I guess this is just for certauin members who are expected to end up behind enemy lines as part o9f their trained-for-roles?

Was your training pretty prosaic, like not too dissimilar to what army boys go through in boot, or do you share boot camp for training?

I thank you for your service -- I don't like how the big boys start & run wars, but unlike Jane Fonda, I don't put blameon the sincere men & women who only want to protect those back home from the threas they are deployed to deal with.

Navy plays Army every year, no?

Oh yeah, the biggest game of the year.

Do you play? Or did you?

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Cp wrote --

Mine was a flagship with an admiral onboard and the Marine detachment
were his body guards.

Honor guard, mostly, or did they really expect someone to disturb his admiralship in an antisocial manner?

I never remember seeing them actually doing anything.
They would wander around, sometimes hounour guards when big shots came aboard.
We only had about 15 of them on a 1000 man ship.
I remember one time watching them jog around the deck and we all agreed
that something stupid to do. Then a few years later it seemed everyone was
out jogging.

How come there's no annual Navy-Marines football game?

Because we would wallop them. :)

& you can't be busting their morale so badly

And we would hurt their feelings, and we know how sensitive they are. :)

Was your training pretty prosaic, like not too dissimilar to what army boys go through in boot, or do you share boot camp for training?

No, they had their own boot camp.
Navy boot camp was rather easy. We only marched to and from class,
carrying wooden rifles.
About once a week we hit the obstruction field which was just climbing
over walls, going up and down lines as if boarding or leaving a ship (hand
over hand), etc.
There were no long hikes, marching (other than to class), etc.
The only time I marched after that was in a Memorial Day parade and got
an extra day off for that. :)

I thank you for your service

Thank you but I didn't do that much and was just serving my country and
doing what a good male citizen should do.

Navy plays Army every year, no?

Oh yeah, the biggest game of the year.

Do you play? Or did you?

Neither. :)
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How come there's no annual Navy-Marines football game?

Because we would wallop them. :)

& you can't be busting their morale so badly

And we would hurt their feelings, and we know how sensitive they are. :)

Yet y'all are on cruises in the Caribbean & popping in on Mardi Gras occasionally, when do you praxtice football?

Well, they're just hitching rides on the same ships, so same question, eh?

Was your training pretty prosaic, like not too dissimilar to what army boys

go through in boot, or do you share boot camp for training?
No, they had their own boot camp.
Navy boot camp was rather easy. We only marched to and from class,
carrying wooden rifles.
About once a week we hit the obstruction field which was just climbing
over walls, going up and down lines as if boarding or leaving a ship (hand over hand), etc.
There were no long hikes, marching (other than to class), etc.

Must be nice -- why so easy, is it because the thinking is that direct naval warfare is ancient history?

Are the nuclear missile capable subs under Navy? Is it a separate group who train for those? & I guess SEALs are the ones who might sneak into a country using underwater sea-dos?

Does USAF handle the carriers themselves, or is that Navy?

The only time I marched after that was in a Memorial Day parade and got
an extra day off for that. :)

Sweet!

I thank you for your service

Thank you but I didn't do that much and was just serving my country and
doing what a good male citizen should do.

Fair enough; but you were there, available to bedeployed, if needed, to put yourself between the enemy & the non-combatants behind you. That's not such a thing any more, so I do respect it & honour it when I meet/recognize it.

My disrespect is saved wholly for those who make war for the purposes of profiteering. (I'm looking at you, Walmart & Big Steel) and for those who do disservice to the uniform or country, whether of mine or any other. I include those who act like asses when visiting (shore leave or otherwise just passing through, depending on branch.)

The rightwing wingnuts like to demand we respect & honour every troop. I'm a little more particular than that. . . I want to know the one I'm speaking with is of the good type, not the goofball type, before I determine how much respect I want to give.

Nowadays you only hear of the ones each extremist end of the political continuum wants to highlight.

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CP wrote --

There were no long hikes, marching (other than to class), etc.

Must be nice -- why so easy, is it because the thinking is that direct naval warfare is ancient history?

We were more interested in swimming than hiking. One can't hike very far
on a ship, but if something happened one would need to know how to swim, or
at least tread water. :)
Of course we had life boats and all but there might come the time we had
to jump into the water. :)

Are the nuclear missile capable subs under Navy?

All ships come under the Navy. Other than the Coast Guard, which is
under the Treasury Dept. Except in war time. I think the last time that happened was in WWII.
Generally the Coast Guard doesn't stray too far from shore. :)
They look out for smugglers, small craft accidents, etc.

Does USAF handle the carriers themselves, or is that Navy?

I should say not! :)
Carrier fliers are all Navy people.
We have an agreement with the Air Force. We don't fly our carriers in
the air and they don't steer our boats. :)

My disrespect is saved wholly for those who make war for the purposes of profiteering. (I'm looking at you, Walmart & Big Steel) and for those who do disservice to the uniform or country,

Agree.

whether of mine or any other. I include those who act like asses when visiting (shore leave or otherwise just passing through, depending on branch.)

Agree.
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CP wrote --

There were no long hikes, marching (other than to class), etc.

Must be nice -- why so easy, is it because the thinking is that direct naval

warfare is ancient history?
We were more interested in swimming than hiking. One can't hike very far
on a ship, but if something happened one would need to know how to swim, or at least tread water. :)

So it's far easier to do a few hours of swimming & treading water in the Caribbean, eh,than Lake Erie, say?

But in wartime, you're morer likely going to be in a below freezing Atlantic than the warm clear waters of the Caribbean.. .?

Of course we had life boats and all but there might come the time we had
to jump into the water. :)

Better to have the skilols & not need them than to need them & not have them, eh?

If you ned to remain afloat & mobile in wateer for 90 mnutes to survive an incident, but you can only do 89 -- not cool -- so they prep you for 120, eh?

Are the nuclear missile capable subs under Navy?

All ships come under the Navy. Other than the Coast Guard, which is
under the Treasury Dept. Except in war time. I think the last time that happened was in WWII.

So the joint xchiefs essentially conscript the Coast Guard into active service? Otherwise it's more a domestic defense service, as the FBI vs CIA? (only one is allowed to operate in-country & only one can operate internationally?)

Generally the Coast Guard doesn't stray too far from shore. :)
They look out for smugglers, small craft accidents, etc.

Yup, they spend a lot of time off the coasts of SC & FL, eh?

Does USAF handle the carriers themselves, or is that Navy?

I should say not! :)
Carrier fliers are all Navy people.
We have an agreement with the Air Force. We don't fly our carriers in
the air and they don't steer our boats. :)

Seems fair! So there are Navy folk who can fly the fighter jets that are on the carriers? Did you ever serve on a carrier? Or is that a separate dispositioning after intake or basic?

How does the Air Force get their fighter jets into the foray at the front?

I do know that at one time, before the USAF, all planes(airships) were operated by Navy, especially thefirst mach-capable fighters, they're still listed as setting the first airspeed records,. per Guinness. & the original astronaut trainees were pulled from Navy, eh? (ship, airship, spadceship, -- all ships, eh? But trelationships werre deemed too unwieldy for themilitary to be involved in? leave thart to the FBI. . . *LOL* & the odd southern Sheriff who gets re- elected based 90% on how much deviant sex he can stop in his county, even amongst married folk? Some of them are still enforcing anti-sodomy laws against hetero couples!)

I think they interpret sodomy now to be anything but basic man-superior missionary. . . Still not sure how they identify these miscreants who are a clear & present danger to decent society, nor how they don't get shut down by the SCOTUS for ignoring the Constitutional rights of Americans.

Sorry; no idea how I got this switched from Navy stuff to this. . .

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Are the nuclear missile capable subs under Navy?

All ships come under the Navy. Other than the Coast Guard, which is
under the Treasury Dept. Except in war time. I think the last time that happened was in WWII.

So the joint xchiefs essentially conscript the Coast Guard into active service
Otherwise it's more a domestic defense service, as the FBI vs CIA? (only one i
allowed to operate in-country & only one can operate internationally?)

Back in the time he is referring to, the Coast Guard also used to escort
marine traffic beyond the US Coast. As Joe pointed out, that changed
sometime during or after WWII and may have only been a war-time thing.
Early in that war, we lost some Coast Guard vessels in the North Atlantic
to enemy fire (U-boats, I think).

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CP wrote --

So it's far easier to do a few hours of swimming & treading water in the Caribbean, eh,than Lake Erie, say?

And warmer too! :)

But in wartime, you're morer likely going to be in a below freezing Atlantic than the warm clear waters of the Caribbean.. .?

Thankfully I never had to find that out.
It does get cold in the Caribbean in the winter. I recall one winter
night it was only the upper 50s... Brr... :)

Better to have the skilols & not need them than to need them & not have them, eh?

You bet cha.

If you ned to remain afloat & mobile in wateer for 90 mnutes to survive an incident, but you can only do 89 -- not cool -- so they prep you for 120, eh?

Thankfully I never had to find out.
But with everyone in a Mae West, or at least life rings, when not in a lifeboat, one could survive a decent amount of time, depending on weather. Even the Navy doesn't have much control over that.

So the joint xchiefs essentially conscript the Coast Guard into active service?

Yep.

Otherwise it's more a domestic defense service, as the FBI vs CIA? (only one is allowed to operate in-country & only one can operate internationally?)

The Coast Guard was mainly for coastal defence and rescue (picking up survivors of ship wrecks, etc).
During Prohibition they were used to hunt down rum runners.
Today they are still coastal defence, along with air/sea rescue and
anti-drug chasing.

Seems fair! So there are Navy folk who can fly the fighter jets that are on the carriers?

The fliers on carriers are Navy men with the Navy air arm.

Did you ever serve on a carrier? Or is that a separate dispositioning after intake or basic?

I visited the John F. Kennedy once. Knew a guy onboard who gave me a
tour. That thing was huge! A floating city.
One is assigned after boot camp.
It was (still is I guess) a big day when one finds were they are going.
The unit one goes through boot camp with is broken up. I was assigned the
News along with one other person that was in my group. Everyone else was scattered to the four winds, thoug
(There's another Navy boot camp in FL and one in CA. The CA people are
on the west coast.
(Ships from the east and west trade positions at time. That is a east
coast ship will go the Mediterranean and/or the Pacific and hither and yon. A ship on one coast does stay there permanently).
After ward it was like running into an old high school class member when people ran into each other somewhere.

How does the Air Force get their fighter jets into the foray at the front?

Uh, fly them? :)
I imagine there are ships that will transport them.
But with bases all over the world I imagine its from a base nearest them, which have been flown from another base to that one, and on back to the
States.
I never really gave it any thought.
In the Navy we never thought much about the Air Force, if at all. :)

& the odd southern Sheriff who gets re-elected based 90% on how much deviant sex he can stop in his county, even amongst married folk? Some of them are still enforcing anti-sodomy laws against hetero couples!)

Then there's the old line Churchill once said about the Navy where the traditions are "rum, sodomy, and the lash".
AFASIK the lash is gone. :)

I think they interpret sodomy now to be anything but basic man-superior missionary. . . Still not sure how they identify these miscreants who are a clear & present danger to decent society, nor how they don't get shut down by the SCOTUS for ignoring the Co

The way things are today, its almost anything goes...

Sorry; no idea how I got this switched from Navy stuff to this. . .

See my quote above. :)
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Are the nuclear missile capable subs under Navy?

All ships come under the Navy. Other than the Coast Guard, which is
under the Treasury Dept. Except in war time. I think the last time that >> > happened was in WWII.

So the joint xchiefs essentially conscript the Coast Guard into active

service

Otherwise it's more a domestic defense service, as the FBI vs CIA? (only one

i

allowed to operate in-country & only one can operate internationally?)

Back in the time he is referring to, the Coast Guard also used to escort marine traffic beyond the US Coast. As Joe pointed out, that changed sometime during or after WWII and may have only been a war-time thing.
Early in that war, we lost some Coast Guard vessels in the North Atlantic
to enemy fire (U-boats, I think).

Something like this happened in Canada, too -- the Navy did the full escorting of suypply vessels, but our domestic coat guard expanded their purviewfarther away from land than they'd normally be -- more as an early waerning system than as an actual fighting unit. I don't recall reading of any that were sunk -- just RCNavy ships, by, likewise, uboats.

War just plain sucks, even when necessary (as a few were)

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Back in the time he is referring to, the Coast Guard also used to escort marine traffic beyond the US Coast. As Joe pointed out, that changed sometime during or after WWII and may have only been a war-time thing. Early in that war, we lost some Coast Guard vessels in the North Atlantic to enemy fire (U-boats, I think).

Something like this happened in Canada, too -- the Navy did the full escorting
of suypply vessels, but our domestic coat guard expanded their purviewfarther way from land than they'd normally be -- more as an early waerning system than
s an actual fighting unit. I don't recall reading of any that were sunk -- j
t RCNavy ships, by, likewise, uboats.

I expanded my knowledge of the US Coast Guard, and also the Canadian armed forces, while touring the Great Lakes. I have forgotten much (I need to go back and read my notes), but that is where I learned that our Coast Guard
was not always restricted to domestic operations in the past. There are a
few memorials/historical markers dedicated to Coast Guard units lost during
the early days of WWII on the lakes.

War just plain sucks, even when necessary (as a few were)

Yes indeed it does. Most serious conflict, whether it be large wars or
small, interpersonal conflicts, plain suck.

Mike


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Mike,

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No wonder the OS stinks. <G>

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I expanded my knowledge of the US Coast Guard, and also the Canadian armed forces, while touring the Great Lakes. I have forgotten much (I need to go back and read my notes), but that is where I learned that our Coast Guard
was not always restricted to domestic operations in the past. There are a few memorials/historical markers dedicated to Coast Guard units lost during the early days of WWII on the lakes.

How did this happen? I don't recall fighting happening there? Training in winter conditions, maybe?

War just plain sucks, even when necessary (as a few were)

Yes indeed it does. Most serious conflict, whether it be large wars or small, interpersonal conflicts, plain suck.

Yet humans are addicted to them, it seems (from Facebook, at least,. & the early days of "Fight-O Net" *G*)

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I expanded my knowledge of the US Coast Guard, and also the Canadian armed forces, while touring the Great Lakes. I have forgotten much (I need to go back and read my notes), but that is where I learned that our Coast Guard was not always restricted to domestic operations in the past. There are a few memorials/historical markers dedicated to Coast Guard units lost during the early days of WWII on the lakes.

How did this happen? I don't recall fighting happening there? Training in win
r conditions, maybe?

Sorry, the memorials are in cities that are "on the lakes," but they are
for coast guard persons lost in the Atlantic (usually). They were tied to
the Great Lakes area because they were with units from a Great Lakes town and/or were on boats either made at, or named after, a place on the
Great Lakes.

That said, the US's first air craft carriers were tested in Lake Michigan,
off of the coast of the Northern part of the lower peninsula of Michigan.

War just plain sucks, even when necessary (as a few were)

Yes indeed it does. Most serious conflict, whether it be large wars or small, interpersonal conflicts, plain suck.

Yet humans are addicted to them, it seems (from Facebook, at least,. & the ea
y days of "Fight-O Net" *G*)

Some people like drama, I guess. :)


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Sorry, the memorials are in cities that are "on the lakes," but they are
for coast guard persons lost in the Atlantic (usually). They were tied to
the Great Lakes area because they were with units from a Great Lakes town and/or were on boats either made at, or named after, a place on the
Great Lakes.

That makes sense -- likely a lot of people signed up originally in Michigan. . .

That said, the US's first air craft carriers were tested in Lake Michigan, off of the coast of the Northern part of the lower peninsula of Michigan.

Did you know the first USN submarines were used in the Civil War?

Yet humans are addicted to them, it seems (from Facebook, at least,. & the

ea

y days of "Fight-O Net" *G*)

Some people like drama, I guess. :)

Yup, so indicates Facebook's feed on any given day or week, or year. . .

& a big reason why I said fleep it, & here I am back in BBS Land, as I was ere Facebook was created, or at least before I heard of it!

I'm all about the Fidonet now! & BBSes here & there & wherever. . .

Still trying to find an active(lots of users, lots of local messaging) one -- doesn't even matter where, so long as I can telnet in. . .

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That said, the US's first air craft carriers were tested in Lake Michigan, off of the coast of the Northern part of the lower peninsula of Michigan.

Did you know the first USN submarines were used in the Civil War?

Yes. Did you know that the CSA actually created the first one? After one successful mission, the creator drowned in it. The first ones we learned
about in US History were later in the war than that one.

Still trying to find an active(lots of users, lots of local messaging) one -- oesn't even matter where, so long as I can telnet in. . .

I seem to have users but most of them do not use the local message areas at all.

Mike


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Did you know the first USN submarines were used in the Civil War?

Yes. Did you know that the CSA actually created the first one? After one successful mission, the creator drowned in it. The first ones we learned about in US History were later in the war than that one.

Wow. I think I've only heard of the Alligator, made by the Union -- why submarines, anyway, wasn't the Civil War pretty much all a land-based war?

Makes Sense -- only the successful ones would be remembered by history. . .

"You made a toy. It broke. . naghh, we won't be prioritizing that one into the history books.. ."

Still trying to find an active(lots of users, lots of local messaging) one -- >> doesn't even matter where, so long as I can telnet in. . .

I seem to have users but most of them do not use the local message areas at all.

How do I telnet into yours? Special port?


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CP wrote to Mike --

Wow. I think I've only heard of the Alligator, made by the Union

The CSA had the Hundley that was later lost at sea but it was found a few years ago off the coast of the Carollina's.

-- why submarines, anyway, wasn't the Civil War pretty much all a land-based war?

Pretty much, but the Union had a blockade for shipping since the South
had to import and export goods.
Submarines where used mainly to ram and sink wooden ships. It was for offensive rather than defensive use.
Joe
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Wow. I think I've only heard of the Alligator, made by the Union -- why subm
ines, anyway, wasn't the Civil War pretty much all a land-based war?

Mostly, yes, but there were some naval skirmishes, probably related to the union blockade of southern ports. IIRC, the CSA sub was used against a
union ship blockading the port of Charleston, SC.

Makes Sense -- only the successful ones would be remembered by history. . .

"You made a toy. It broke. . naghh, we won't be prioritizing that one into th
history books.. ."

I think it was a success in its initial mission. The goal was to quietly approach a ship, ram a harpoon-like rod with a bomb attached into the hull under the water level so that when it detonates, the ship takes on water
and sinks.

IIRC, he completed the first and last step... he was either too close
during the last part of the second step (the detonation) or had some other mishap before he made it back to shore.

Either way, it took on water and sank. I think it was named the Hundley,
after its creator.

How do I telnet into yours? Special port?

You seemed to have found Moe's, on port 27. The system I am posting from
runs on the standard port at the address in the origin line below. Moe's
is the one with all the classic DOS doors, like LORD, Yankee Trader, etc.

On this system, they have either been ported to linux or are new doors
written specifically for linux machines.

Mike


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Wow. I think I've only heard of the Alligator, made by the Union -- why

subm

ines, anyway, wasn't the Civil War pretty much all a land-based war?

Mostly, yes, but there were some naval skirmishes, probably related to the union blockade of southern ports. IIRC, the CSA sub was used against a
union ship blockading the port of Charleston, SC.

Makes Sense -- only the successful ones would be remembered by history. . . >> "You made a toy. It broke. . naghh, we won't be prioritizing that one into

th

history books.. ."

I think it was a success in its initial mission. The goal was to quietly approach a ship, ram a harpoon-like rod with a bomb attached into the hull under the water level so that when it detonates, the ship takes on water
and sinks.
IIRC, he completed the first and last step... he was either too close
during the last part of the second step (the detonation) or had some other mishap before he made it back to shore.
Either way, it took on water and sank. I think it was named the Hundley, after its creator.

Our dear moderator says the same, so sounds pretty definite.

How do I telnet into yours? Special port?

You seemed to have found Moe's, on port 27. The system I am posting from runs on the standard port at the address in the origin line below. Moe's
is the one with all the classic DOS doors, like LORD, Yankee Trader, etc.
On this system, they have either been ported to linux or are new doors written specifically for linux machines.

Your origin line is:
-+- SBBSecho 3.14-Linux
+ Origin: capitolcityonline.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/HTTP (1:2320/105)

So do I telnet to SSH:2022 ?
or to capitolcityonlne.net port 2022?

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CP wrote --

Our dear moderator says the same, so sounds pretty definite.

Ya sure know how to suck up. :)
Are you paying attention Daryl?
Joe (It has been said, let it be so).
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IIRC, he completed the first and last step... he was either too close during the last part of the second step (the detonation) or had some other mishap before he made it back to shore.
Either way, it took on water and sank. I think it was named the Hundley, after its creator.

Our dear moderator says the same, so sounds pretty definite.

<GRIN>

You seemed to have found Moe's, on port 27. The system I am posting from runs on the standard port at the address in the origin line below. Moe's is the one with all the classic DOS doors, like LORD, Yankee Trader, etc. On this system, they have either been ported to linux or are new doors written specifically for linux machines.

Your origin line is:
-+- SBBSecho 3.14-Linux
+ Origin: capitolcityonline.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/HTTP (1:2320/105)

So do I telnet to SSH:2022 ?
or to capitolcityonlne.net port 2022?

To get to Moe's, you telnet on port 27.

To get to Capitol City Online, you telnet to port 23 *OR* SSH to port 2022.

The origin line does not allow enough characters, so the missing port
numbers indicate (in this case) to use the defaults for all except SSH. :)

Mike


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Joe,

The CSA had the Hundley that was later lost at sea but it was found a few years ago off the coast of the Carollina's.

I think the National Underwater Marine Agency (NUMA), founded by the late
Dr. Clive Cussler, found that ship.

Submarines where used mainly to ram and sink wooden ships. It was
for offensive rather than defensive use.

The best submarine is a sandwich. <G>

Daryl

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CP wrote --

Our dear moderator says the same, so sounds pretty definite.

Ya sure know how to suck up. :)
Are you paying attention Daryl?
Joe (It has been said, let it be so).

You dream! I'm just a guy who says it like it is, or at least as far as I know it is.

I appreciate all sysops & mods for keeping the old school cybernetic dreams alive! But that's all -- to m, honesty includes expressing appreciation along the way of life's paths.

What's been said that is so, then?

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CP wrote --

I appreciate all sysops & mods for keeping the old school cybernetic dreams alive!

Another brownie point for CP. :)
Joe
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