There's a problem here for Pi fans ... that niche is
now getting crowded. ARM chips are fine, but many
of the Intel chips offer plenty of power AND potential
WindersStuff compatibility.
Something like the Pi-Zero 2W & Pi-3/4 still have a
relatively open niche. They are not intended to compete
with more 'real' PCs, but are 'powerful/cheap enough' for a
lot of applications. Alas RPI has put a lot of money/effort
into something which is just an also-ran ... one of many
'minimal PCs'. Did they waste their money ? Will they be
in biz a year or two from now ? The NAME is attractive,
but that only goes just so far.
Just sayin' ...
No other ARM board comes close to having as much support.
A cheaper or more powerful ARM board where the OS never gets updates
and/or that has features that simply never work right is not an
alternative to a Pi.
Scanning Amazon for "x86 single board computers" I got :
youyeetoo X1 - x86 Windows Linux Single Board Computer with Intel
Celeron N5105 - Mini PC $119 (bare board)
WayPonDEV youyeetoo X1 X86 Single Board Computer - A 64bit Windows 10/11/Linux Mini PC $119 (looks a lot like the above)
Beelink Mini PC, Intel 12th Gen Alder Lake- N95(up to 3.4GHz),
8GB DDR4 RAM 256GB PCIe 1X SSD, Mini $179 (boxed)
C-Box-M2 Mini PC Aluminum Body 11th gen Intel N5105,
Windows 11 Pro, 8GB RAM 256G SSD, $129 (boxed)
NVIDIA Jetson Nano Developer Kit
$149 (bare board)
N40 Mini PC Fanless Celeron N4020 (up to 2.8GHz) with 4GB
DDR4/64GB eMMC RAM Mini Desktop $109 (boxed)
And others ......
Price/performance-wise, these are all good competitors
for the Pi5. Small, fairly powerful, the x86 ones will
run Winders if you're dumb enough (don't expect vast
performance however).
There's a problem here for Pi fans ... that niche is
now getting crowded. ARM chips are fine, but many
of the Intel chips offer plenty of power AND potential
WindersStuff compatibility.
Something like the Pi-Zero 2W & Pi-3/4 still have a
relatively open niche. They are not intended to compete
with more 'real' PCs, but are 'powerful/cheap enough' for a
lot of applications. Alas RPI has put a lot of money/effort
into something which is just an also-ran ... one of many
'minimal PCs'. Did they waste their money ? Will they be
in biz a year or two from now ? The NAME is attractive,
but that only goes just so far.
Just sayin' ...
So rather than the rPi becoming an also-ran, they, or small Arm SoC
systems like them, look to be the future.
Try the rPi5, it is good. Pi OS is good. I've been looking at Unix like Windows PC alternatives since Sun Sparcs in the early 90s, I'm more
impressed now, than I have ever been in the past.
Price/performance-wise, these are all good competitors
for the Pi5. Small, fairly powerful, the x86 ones will
run Winders if you're dumb enough (don't expect vast
performance however).
I think raspberries, even the new Pi 5, have a ratio: power/performance/consumption still very favourable compared to the
X86s
I am finally abandoning Intel slowly device by device. This PC will
probably be the last device as I need to run legacy XP and programs in a VM.
On 12/18/23 02:18, Brian Gregory wrote:
No other ARM board comes close to having as much support.
A cheaper or more powerful ARM board where the OS never gets updates
and/or that has features that simply never work right is not an
alternative to a Pi.
This is true at the moment with the Orange Pi 5, but there are promises
of new GPU drivers such as Panthor being released which might change this.
<https://www.phoronix.com/news/Panthor-DRM-Newer-Mali>
On 18/12/2023 17:30, GMG wrote:
I think raspberries, even the new Pi 5, have a ratio:
power/performance/consumption still very favourable compared to the
X86s
And that is what is driving the ARM revolution right now. Total cost of ownership including electricity costs.
What is driving the Pi against other ARM platforms seems to be cost and support, rather than performance.
Il 18/12/2023 18:45, The Natural Philosopher ha scritto:
On 18/12/2023 17:30, GMG wrote:
I think raspberries, even the new Pi 5, have a ratio:
power/performance/consumption still very favourable compared to the
X86s
And that is what is driving the ARM revolution right now. Total cost of ownership including electricity costs.
What is driving the Pi against other ARM platforms seems to be cost and support, rather than performance.
yes the support, the wide support of the Pis, is very actractive because
of intrinsecal quality and expandability (of the support)
GMG <EJIJG@scubatin.it> wrote:
Il 18/12/2023 18:45, The Natural Philosopher ha scritto:
On 18/12/2023 17:30, GMG wrote:
I think raspberries, even the new Pi 5, have a ratio:
power/performance/consumption still very favourable compared to the
X86s
And that is what is driving the ARM revolution right now. Total cost of
ownership including electricity costs.
What is driving the Pi against other ARM platforms seems to be cost and
support, rather than performance.
yes the support, the wide support of the Pis, is very actractive because
of intrinsecal quality and expandability (of the support)
It's one of the reasons I will stay with Pis. I'm actually moving
from a Beaglebone Black to a Pi 4 for one application just at the
moment. I'm not interested in using my Pis as desktop machines. My
'work' machines (as in systems with a keyboard and screen, for writing programs, for using my browser, for sending E-Mail, etc.) are x86
based but, more important, they come as integrated boxes with space
for multiple disk drives, card readers and so on. Making a Pi into
such a system is 'messy' IMHO.
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