• Pi 400 as a keyboard

    From F. W.@3:770/3 to All on Thursday, June 02, 2022 08:40:22
    Hmmm...let me ask a strange question: Can a Raspi 400 be used as a keyboard?

    Thx

    FW

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  • From Hermann Riemann@3:770/3 to All on Thursday, June 02, 2022 09:25:23
    Am 02.06.22 um 08:40 schrieb F. W.:
    Hmmm...let me ask a strange question: Can a Raspi 400 be used as a
    keyboard?

    Yes, with an Arduino Leonardo a correct software.

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  • From David Taylor@3:770/3 to F. W. on Thursday, June 02, 2022 09:37:07
    On 02/06/2022 07:40, F. W. wrote:
    Hmmm...let me ask a strange question: Can a Raspi 400 be used as a keyboard?

    Thx

    FW

    Directly, no.
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    Web: http://www.satsignal.eu

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  • From Theo@3:770/3 to F. W. on Thursday, June 02, 2022 14:09:18
    F. W. <me@home.com> wrote:
    Hmmm...let me ask a strange question: Can a Raspi 400 be used as a keyboard?

    Yes:
    https://randomnerdtutorials.com/raspberry-pi-zero-usb-keyboard-hid/
    The Pi400 has the USB OTG connection on the USB-C power port, so you'd need a suitable cable (and way to power the Pi if whatever you're plugging into
    can't do it)

    You'd need to adapt the code to read keystrokes from the physical keyboard
    and forward them to the gadget device.

    Alternatively, the PiKVM software allows the Pi to be a USB keyboard and supply keystrokes from a browser window. Without the HDMI input module you wouldn't be
    able to see what you're doing, but the keystrokes would still work.

    Theo

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  • From R.Wieser@3:770/3 to All on Thursday, June 02, 2022 14:52:29
    FW,

    Hmmm...let me ask a strange question: Can a Raspi 400 be used as a
    keyboard?

    That fully depends on how you want to connect it to the other device.

    Using USB ? Nope, as as far as I know you can't change its USB "master"
    mode into "client" mode (as the Pi Zero can). Though, as mentioned, you
    could always look at some extra hardware perhaps emulating an USB keyboard
    at one side and getting fed with 7 bits + strobe, I2C or SPI..

    Using Bluetooth ? Possibly, but you would need to be able to set it up in "client" mode (which actually initiates the connection). If that is not possible you could take a peek at the multitude of (very cheap) BlueTooth modules that you can buy.

    Using a PS/2 or even older Philips 5-pin plug ? Possibly, as the 400
    /should/ be fast enough to drive the pins by way of its own I/O pins.

    RS232 ? Yep, the 400 has got four hardware drivers.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser

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  • From F. W.@3:770/3 to All on Thursday, June 02, 2022 15:21:43
    Am 02.06.2022 um 14:52 schrieb R.Wieser:

    Hmmm...let me ask a strange question: Can a Raspi 400 be used as a
    keyboard?

    Using USB ? Nope, as as far as I know you can't change its USB "master"
    mode into "client" mode (as the Pi Zero can). Though, as mentioned, you could always look at some extra hardware perhaps emulating an USB keyboard
    at one side and getting fed with 7 bits + strobe, I2C or SPI..

    You are absolutely right. I did not think about that.

    FW

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  • From F. W.@3:770/3 to All on Thursday, June 02, 2022 15:24:41
    Am 02.06.2022 um 15:09 schrieb Theo:

    Alternatively, the PiKVM software allows the Pi to be a USB keyboard
    and supply keystrokes from a browser window.
    Excuse me please, I am not a native english speaker.

    I understand the words but not the meaning: supply keystrokes from a
    browser window? You mean I start a firefox with Linux and type into its
    canvas?

    FW

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  • From Theo@3:770/3 to F. W. on Thursday, June 02, 2022 16:34:09
    F. W. <me@home.com> wrote:
    Am 02.06.2022 um 15:09 schrieb Theo:

    Alternatively, the PiKVM software allows the Pi to be a USB keyboard
    and supply keystrokes from a browser window.
    Excuse me please, I am not a native english speaker.

    I understand the words but not the meaning: supply keystrokes from a
    browser window? You mean I start a firefox with Linux and type into its canvas?

    Yes:
    Install the distro from https://pikvm.org/ onto an SD card
    Power it up in your Pi
    Go to the website served from your pi, eg https://pikvm.local/
    Log in
    A window appears where the HDMI input would be
    Type into the window (or use the onscreen virtual keyboard with the mouse)

    The PiKVM distro itself doesn't use the Pi's HDMI output or a desktop installed, so out of the box it's easier use a browser on another computer,
    but the distro is based on Arch Linux so it should be possible to install
    those things.

    Theo

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  • From nospam@3:770/3 to address@not.available on Thursday, June 02, 2022 12:33:00
    In article <t7abqp$bvk$1@gioia.aioe.org>, R.Wieser
    <address@not.available> wrote:

    Hmmm...let me ask a strange question: Can a Raspi 400 be used as a keyboard?

    That fully depends on how you want to connect it to the other device.

    you should have stopped there, as that's the only thing you said that's
    not wrong, largely because it's meaningless.

    Using USB ? Nope, as as far as I know you can't change its USB "master"
    mode into "client" mode (as the Pi Zero can). Though, as mentioned, you could always look at some extra hardware perhaps emulating an USB keyboard
    at one side and getting fed with 7 bits + strobe, I2C or SPI..

    false. it can easily be done, and without any additional hardware.
    details in another post.

    Using Bluetooth ? Possibly, but you would need to be able to set it up in "client" mode (which actually initiates the connection). If that is not possible you could take a peek at the multitude of (very cheap) BlueTooth modules that you can buy.

    this is also false. bluetooth is certainly an option, also without any additional hardware.

    Using a PS/2 or even older Philips 5-pin plug ? Possibly, as the 400 /should/ be fast enough to drive the pins by way of its own I/O pins.

    ps/2? hah. 1990 wants you back.

    RS232 ? Yep, the 400 has got four hardware drivers.

    that's even more hilarious. perhaps 1990 is not far enough. you might
    also want to learn about how rs-232 actually works, because it needs
    more than 'four hardware drivers'. just sayin'..

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  • From nospam@3:770/3 to F. W. on Thursday, June 02, 2022 12:34:56
    In article <t7adh8$6ps$4@dont-email.me>, F. W. <me@home.com> wrote:

    Using USB ? Nope, as as far as I know you can't change its USB "master" mode into "client" mode (as the Pi Zero can). Though, as mentioned, you could always look at some extra hardware perhaps emulating an USB keyboard at one side and getting fed with 7 bits + strobe, I2C or SPI..

    You are absolutely right. I did not think about that.

    he's wrong.

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  • From nospam@3:770/3 to david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.inval on Thursday, June 02, 2022 12:33:37
    In article <t79srj$icb$1@dont-email.me>, David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> wrote:

    Hmmm...let me ask a strange question: Can a Raspi 400 be used as a keyboard?


    Directly, no.

    false.

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  • From nospam@3:770/3 to F. W. on Thursday, June 02, 2022 12:32:58
    In article <t79m0m$t28$1@dont-email.me>, F. W. <me@home.com> wrote:

    Hmmm...let me ask a strange question: Can a Raspi 400 be used as a keyboard?

    not a strange question and very easy:
    <https://github.com/Gadgetoid/pi400kb>

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  • From alister@3:770/3 to F. W. on Saturday, June 04, 2022 09:19:23
    On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 08:40:22 +0200, F. W. wrote:

    Hmmm...let me ask a strange question: Can a Raspi 400 be used as a
    keyboard?

    Thx

    FW

    pretty sure someone has written the code to do this (possibly @gadgetoid
    from @Pimoroni)



    --
    The trouble with computers is that they do what you tell them, not what
    you want.
    -- D. Cohen

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@3:770/3 to F. W. on Saturday, June 04, 2022 13:30:10
    On 02/06/2022 07:40, F. W. wrote:
    Hmmm...let me ask a strange question: Can a Raspi 400 be used as a
    keyboard?

    Thx

    FW
    Not without some keys to press..


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    obvious truth if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, which
    they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives.”

    ― Leo Tolstoy

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  • From Martin Gregorie@3:770/3 to The Natural Philosopher on Saturday, June 04, 2022 13:21:11
    On Sat, 4 Jun 2022 13:30:10 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    On 02/06/2022 07:40, F. W. wrote:
    Hmmm...let me ask a strange question: Can a Raspi 400 be used as a
    keyboard?

    Thx

    FW
    Not without some keys to press..

    ... which the Pi400 has, being a keyboard with an internal 4GB Pi 4 and
    what looks like all Pi 4 interfaces connected to sockets on its rear edge.




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    Gregorie | gregorie dot org

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@3:770/3 to Martin Gregorie on Saturday, June 04, 2022 14:30:33
    On 04/06/2022 14:21, Martin Gregorie wrote:
    On Sat, 4 Jun 2022 13:30:10 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    On 02/06/2022 07:40, F. W. wrote:
    Hmmm...let me ask a strange question: Can a Raspi 400 be used as a
    keyboard?

    Thx

    FW
    Not without some keys to press..

    ... which the Pi400 has, being a keyboard with an internal 4GB Pi 4 and
    what looks like all Pi 4 interfaces connected to sockets on its rear edge.




    Ah. Missed that. Seems an expensive way to make a cheap keyboard. I buy 'Kensingtons' for my servers that don't get used much. Here I have a
    Cherry mechanical tacky-clacky.

    --
    The lifetime of any political organisation is about three years before
    its been subverted by the people it tried to warn you about.

    Anon.

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  • From Tom Furie@3:770/3 to The Natural Philosopher on Saturday, June 04, 2022 14:10:27
    On 2022-06-04, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Ah. Missed that. Seems an expensive way to make a cheap keyboard.

    But if you already have one at hand are are wondering about the utility
    of being able to plug it in wherever you might need a keyboard, it
    looks more like an efficient use of resources. Better than carrying a
    Pi400 *and* a spare keyboard to the server room.

    Cheers,
    Tom

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  • From R.Wieser@3:770/3 to there are more ways to do what he on Sunday, June 05, 2022 10:52:07
    For anyone who's wondering whats going on, nospam has taken a dislike to me, 'cause I do not let him get away with continuous usage of hollow claims
    and other shennigans.

    Reference :

    Newsgroups : alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.software.thunderbird,alt.comp.software.firefox

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    current last message in our "conversation" : <t7b63a$k25$1@gioia.aioe.org>




    nospam,

    That fully depends on how you want to connect it to the other device.

    you should have stopped there, as that's the only thing you said
    that's not wrong, largely because it's meaningless.

    As always, not underbuild or explained, and as such absolutily meaningless.

    I thought it was a good idea to make the OP (and respondants) aware that
    there are more ways to do what he asked for. You know, giving options.

    false. it can easily be done, and without any additional hardware.
    details in another post.

    Its always easy to bash someone with something /someone else/ came up with, isn't it.

    The only thing you've shown that I do not know everything about everything.
    In further news it has been concluded that water is wet.

    Using Bluetooth ? Possibly, but you would need to be able to set it
    up in "client" mode (which actually initiates the connection). If that
    is not possible you could take a peek at the multitude of (very cheap)
    BlueTooth modules that you can buy.

    this is also false. bluetooth is certainly an option, also without any additional hardware.

    :-) you might want to re-read what I said there.

    "forgetting" about the first part of what you quoted yourself just makes you look stupid - or someone who doesn't let details like that stop him from
    making accusations.

    Using a PS/2 or even older Philips 5-pin plug ? Possibly, as the 400
    /should/ be fast enough to drive the pins by way of its own I/O pins.

    ps/2? hah. 1990 wants you back.

    Arrogance has called, it want to fight you to get their lost title back.

    Kid, its about what the *OP* might want or need, not you.

    RS232 ? Yep, the 400 has got four hardware drivers.

    that's even more hilarious. perhaps 1990 is not far enough. you might
    also want to learn about how rs-232 actually works, because it needs
    more than 'four hardware drivers'. just sayin'..

    As always, not underbuild or explained, and as such absolutily meaningless. just sayin'..

    You obviously have no idea what I ment with "hardware drivers" in this
    context, but that didn't stop you drom jumping to the (percieved) chance to again bash me with it.

    Suggestion : find yourself the specs of the 400 and check out its RS232 capabilities. Than compare it to what the Pi 3 range offers, and see if you can spot the difference.

    And by the way, assuming that you where talking about the different
    available RS232 signals and how they are converted into worldly electrical ones, you're still wrong. On multiple points (no pun intended).

    *Ofcourse* you are now going to demand that I prove that, and I will than
    tell you that as long as you refuse to do so yourself (as in the above) I
    won't do it either. Probably following it up with, again, pointing out that you're a hypocrite.

    The above just to spare you another meaningless post.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser

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  • From R.Wieser@3:770/3 to All on Sunday, June 05, 2022 10:52:23
    nospam,

    Using USB ? Nope, as as far as I know you can't change its USB
    "master"
    mode into "client" mode (as the Pi Zero can). Though, as mentioned,
    you
    could always look at some extra hardware perhaps emulating an USB
    keyboard
    at one side and getting fed with 7 bits + strobe, I2C or SPI..

    You are absolutely right. I did not think about that.

    he's wrong.

    As always, not underbuild or explained, and as such absolutily meaningless.

    And actually ? I think I'm more right than wrong there. The only thing I missed was an USB-to-go option on the 400. But you just could not pass up
    a chance to bash me and make it sound as if that invalidates everything I
    said there.

    And by the way, I have no problem with taking Theos and that randomnerdtutorials.com websites word for it that it actually does exist.
    I do not even have the urge to double-check it.

    In contrast I would not even believe you if would tell me that the sun comes
    up in the east.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser

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  • From nospam@3:770/3 to address@not.available on Monday, June 06, 2022 08:15:24
    In article <t7hqsl$es3$1@gioia.aioe.org>, R.Wieser
    <address@not.available> wrote:

    Using USB ? Nope, as as far as I know you can't change its USB
    "master"
    mode into "client" mode (as the Pi Zero can). Though, as mentioned,
    you
    could always look at some extra hardware perhaps emulating an USB
    keyboard
    at one side and getting fed with 7 bits + strobe, I2C or SPI..

    You are absolutely right. I did not think about that.

    he's wrong.

    As always, not underbuild or explained, and as such absolutily meaningless.

    it was explained in another post, which you are deliberately ignoring.

    And actually ? I think I'm more right than wrong there.

    actually, you're not. you're not even close.

    the solution is very simple, with only a usb cable needed.

    The only thing I
    missed was an USB-to-go option on the 400.

    you missed quite a bit more than that, nor is that even relevant.

    what you said was largely unhelpful word salad, to make it look like
    you know what you're talking about, and you don't.

    But you just could not pass up
    a chance to bash me and make it sound as if that invalidates everything I said there.

    you invited it by saying things that had little to no validity.

    And by the way, I have no problem with taking Theos and that randomnerdtutorials.com websites word for it that it actually does exist.
    I do not even have the urge to double-check it.

    In contrast I would not even believe you if would tell me that the sun comes up in the east.

    there are some people who have seen the sun rise in the west.

    maybe you can figure out how it happened, although i doubt it.

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  • From nospam@3:770/3 to address@not.available on Monday, June 06, 2022 08:15:21
    In article <t7hqs6$ebg$1@gioia.aioe.org>, R.Wieser
    <address@not.available> wrote:

    For anyone who's wondering whats going on, nospam has taken a dislike to me, 'cause I do not let him get away with continuous usage of hollow claims
    and other shennigans.

    no, it's because you don't like when you're cornered and your claims
    shown to be nonsensical or flat out false.

    That fully depends on how you want to connect it to the other device.

    you should have stopped there, as that's the only thing you said
    that's not wrong, largely because it's meaningless.

    As always, not underbuild or explained, and as such absolutily meaningless.

    I thought it was a good idea to make the OP (and respondants) aware that there are more ways to do what he asked for. You know, giving options.

    that's fine, except you neglected to mention any options that would
    actually work and be helpful to the op.

    nothing more than a lot of word-salad to make it look like you know
    what you're talking about (and you don't).

    false. it can easily be done, and without any additional hardware.
    details in another post.

    Its always easy to bash someone with something /someone else/ came up with, isn't it.

    it's easy when it's wrong and unhelpful.

    if it's correct, then no bashing is needed. only thanks. not applicable
    here.

    i'm the only person in this thread who provided a working solution and
    with a link. another person mentioned where one could find the solution
    but did not provide the actual link.

    The only thing you've shown that I do not know everything about everything.

    that's a start.

    In further news it has been concluded that water is wet.

    not always.

    <https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/08/100825174102.htm>
    Carter explained that the substance became known as "dry water"
    because it consists of 95 percent water and yet is a dry powder. Each
    powder particle contains a water droplet surrounded by modified
    silica, the stuff that makes up ordinary beach sand. The silica
    coating prevents the water droplets from combining and turning
    back into a liquid. The result is a fine powder that can slurp up
    gases, which chemically combine with the water molecules to form
    what chemists term a hydrate.

    Using Bluetooth ? Possibly, but you would need to be able to set it
    up in "client" mode (which actually initiates the connection). If that >> is not possible you could take a peek at the multitude of (very cheap)
    BlueTooth modules that you can buy.

    this is also false. bluetooth is certainly an option, also without any additional hardware.

    :-) you might want to re-read what I said there.

    "forgetting" about the first part of what you quoted yourself just makes you look stupid - or someone who doesn't let details like that stop him from making accusations.

    nothing has been forgotten.

    it's clear that you don't actually know how one would turn a pi 400
    into a bluetooth keyboard.

    bluetooth is more work than via usb and might be a somewhat interesting
    project which could be the basis for other and more useful projects,
    but if the goal is to reimplement a bluetooth keyboard, it's not worth
    the trouble.

    nor is usb worth the trouble either. like bluetooth keyboards, usb
    keyboards are also very cheap, the cheapest costing less than a pi
    zero.

    Using a PS/2 or even older Philips 5-pin plug ? Possibly, as the 400
    /should/ be fast enough to drive the pins by way of its own I/O pins.

    ps/2? hah. 1990 wants you back.

    Arrogance has called, it want to fight you to get their lost title back.

    Kid, its about what the *OP* might want or need, not you.

    where did you get the idea i wanted anything?

    the fact is that usb has been around for more than 20 years.

    if he wanted ps/2 (or rs-232 for that matter), he would have said so.

    RS232 ? Yep, the 400 has got four hardware drivers.

    that's even more hilarious. perhaps 1990 is not far enough. you might
    also want to learn about how rs-232 actually works, because it needs
    more than 'four hardware drivers'. just sayin'..

    As always, not underbuild or explained, and as such absolutily meaningless. just sayin'..

    You obviously have no idea what I ment with "hardware drivers" in this context, but that didn't stop you drom jumping to the (percieved) chance to again bash me with it.

    you're assuming facts not in evidence again.

    not that it matters since the likelihood that he wants an rs-232
    keyboard is zero.

    Suggestion : find yourself the specs of the 400 and check out its RS232 capabilities. Than compare it to what the Pi 3 range offers, and see if you can spot the difference.

    more waffling.

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  • From R.Wieser@3:770/3 to Who on Monday, June 06, 2022 16:28:54
    nospam,

    Using USB ? Nope, as as far as I know you can't change its USB
    "master" mode into "client" mode (as the Pi Zero can). Though,
    as mentioned, you could always look at some extra hardware perhaps
    emulating an USB keyboard at one side and getting fed with 7 bits
    + strobe, I2C or SPI..

    You are absolutely right. I did not think about that.

    he's wrong.

    As always, not underbuild or explained, and as such absolutily
    meaningless.

    it was explained in another post, which you are deliberately ignoring.

    You said "he's wrong." You did not explain what, how or why. You still haven't.

    And actually ? I think I'm more right than wrong there.

    actually, you're not. you're not even close.

    As always, not underbuild or explained, and as such absolutily meaningless.

    the solution is very simple, with only a usb cable needed.

    Who said that the OP wanted an USB cable solution ?

    The only thing I
    missed was an USB-to-go option on the 400.

    you missed quite a bit more than that, nor is that even relevant.

    Both parts of the above line are hollow claims and as such absolutily meaningless.

    you invited it by saying things that had little to no validity.

    As always, not underbuild or explained, and as such absolutily meaningless.

    In contrast I would not even believe you if would tell me that the sun
    comes up in the east.

    there are some people who have seen the sun rise in the west.

    maybe you can figure out how it happened, although i doubt it.

    I'm sure I cannot. Maybe you could explain it ? It would be a small step
    for mankind if you did.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser

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  • From R.Wieser@3:770/3 to looking at how the OP on Monday, June 06, 2022 16:10:58
    Nospam,

    For anyone who's wondering whats going on, nospam has taken a dislike to
    me,
    'cause I do not let him get away with continuous usage of hollow claims
    and other shennigans.

    no, it's because you don't like when you're cornered and your claims
    shown to be nonsensical or flat out false.

    By whom ? Not by you, that much is sure.

    But, feel to quote where above that happened. Ofcourse, you won't. Why ? Because, nonwithstanding your relentless claiming, you never did.

    that's fine, except you neglected to mention any options that
    would actually work and be helpful to the op.

    As always, not underbuild or explained, and as such absolutily meaningless.

    But, if you think so you only have to prove, underbuild or even just explain why none of the ones I mentioned will work - which you never will. You
    simply do not have that kind of knowledge.

    nothing more than a lot of word-salad to make it look like you
    know what you're talking about (and you don't).

    As always, not underbuild or explained, and as such absolutily meaningless.

    Besides, looking at how the OP responded I get the feeling he understood
    just fine.

    Its always easy to bash someone with something /someone else/ came up
    with, isn't it.

    it's easy when it's wrong and unhelpful.

    That you still have to prove, or at least underbuild.

    if it's correct, then no bashing is needed.

    And neither is it when someone is wrong. A discussion would be helpfull.
    What you are trying to do isn't.

    only thanks.

    Funny, I think the OP did thank me.

    not applicable here.

    :-) I think you're alone in that.

    The only thing you've shown that I do not know everything about
    everything.

    that's a start.

    How would you know ? Its not a point you have reached yourself yet. In
    fact, looking at the hollow claims you keep posting, you're not even
    anywhere near to it.

    In further news it has been concluded that water is wet.

    not always.

    <https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/08/100825174102.htm>
    Carter explained that the substance became known as "dry water"
    because it consists of 95 percent water and yet is a dry powder.

    Funny how even the first line of your quoted tells you not once but *twice* that its "dry". The word "wet" doesn't appear /anywhere/ in that same
    article.

    IOW, you have linked to something that doesn't support your claim /at all/.
    Are you *that* stupid, or is it just your "comprehensive reading" skill that went on the fritz again ?

    "forgetting" about the first part of what you quoted yourself just makes
    you
    look stupid - or someone who doesn't let details like that stop him from
    making accusations.

    nothing has been forgotten.

    So, you confess that you actually purposely ignored it, just so you could
    make nother accusation. Thanks for confirming that. :-)

    it's clear that you don't actually know how one would turn a pi
    400 into a bluetooth keyboard.

    :-) Did I say I knew that ? I don't think so. Its just you trying to
    "move the goalposts".

    Hey! Wasn't that what you accused me of in that other thread I linked to ? Yeah, it was. Makeing you *again* a a hypocrite.

    ps/2? hah. 1990 wants you back.

    Arrogance has called, it want to fight you to get their lost title back.

    Kid, its about what the *OP* might want or need, not you.

    where did you get the idea i wanted anything?

    If you do not want anything than why were you trying to bash me for
    informing the OP ?

    the fact is that usb has been around for more than 20 years.

    if he wanted ps/2 (or rs-232 for that matter), he would have said so.

    :-) Where did he say which kind of connection he wanted for his keyboard ?
    If he didn't mention any that than, by your logic, that means he didn't want one. And that makes no sense.

    You obviously have no idea what I ment with "hardware drivers" in this
    context, but that didn't stop you drom jumping to the (percieved) chance
    to
    again bash me with it.

    you're assuming facts not in evidence again.

    As always, not underbuild or explained, and as such absolutily meaningless.

    not that it matters since the likelihood that he wants an rs-232
    keyboard is zero.

    Even if you would be right, how does that invalidate what I said ?

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser

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  • From druck@3:770/3 to All on Monday, June 06, 2022 15:41:47
    [Snip]

    Please take it to email. The rest of us aren't interested in the same
    old protagonists having endless arguments about whether black is white.

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  • From A. Dumas@3:770/3 to R.Wieser on Monday, June 06, 2022 15:24:28
    R.Wieser <address@not.available> wrote:
    nospam has taken a dislike to me,

    Who hasn't.

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  • From R.Wieser@3:770/3 to All on Monday, June 06, 2022 21:04:30
    druck,

    Please take it to email.

    How ? You've obviously not checked both his and my email addies.

    Besides, giving ones email address to random entities, especially ones that
    do not like you, is wrought with problems, none of which I desire to have.

    The rest of us aren't interested in the same old protagonists having
    endless arguments about whether black is white.

    Than set the subthread between nospam and myself to hidden. Problem solved.


    And oh, the next time you want to complain about something, do yourself a favour and /at least/ check out what is going on.

    The whole problem is that I *cannot* have an argument (discussion) with
    nospam, because he won't /ever/ give me anything specific that could be the basis of a discussion. Just a never-ending stream of "you're wrong" /
    "you don't know anything" claims, never underbuild.

    You don't need to take my word for that either - just pick and read any of
    the messages in this thread (or the one I linked to) he directed towards myself. They are all the same.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser

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  • From R.Wieser@3:770/3 to All on Monday, June 06, 2022 21:19:08
    In further news it has been concluded that water is wet.

    not always.

    <https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/08/100825174102.htm>
    Carter explained that the substance became known as "dry water"
    because it consists of 95 percent water and yet is a dry powder.

    Funny how even the first line of your quoted tells you not once but
    *twice* that its "dry". The word "wet" doesn't appear /anywhere/ in that same article.

    Meh. I got my head warbled and argued the wrong case, yours.

    This is mine : (chemically) bound or encapsulated water seems to loose some
    of its properties. News at eleven.

    In this case the water is encapsulated, not allowing you to touch it.
    Hence, no "wet" effect. Same as for water in a flask. Or, if you want a chemical binding, yell-o. Both simple "at home" examples. No exotics
    needed.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser

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  • From druck@3:770/3 to R.Wieser on Monday, June 06, 2022 21:19:19
    On 06/06/2022 20:04, R.Wieser wrote:
    druck,

    Please take it to email.

    How ? You've obviously not checked both his and my email addies.

    Besides, giving ones email address to random entities, especially ones that do not like you, is wrought with problems, none of which I desire to have.

    Point taken, perhaps I should have suggested shoving this up your
    collective rear-ends instead.

    The rest of us aren't interested in the same old protagonists having
    endless arguments about whether black is white.

    Than set the subthread between nospam and myself to hidden. Problem solved.

    Except having to regularly block copious volumes of argumentative
    nonsense, only serves to put people off using this newsgroup for genuine Raspberry Pi discussions.

    And oh, the next time you want to complain about something, do yourself a favour and /at least/ check out what is going on.

    Everyone here can see what is going on, you've made your point, now stop feeding the troll.

    ---druck

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  • From Jim Jackson@3:770/3 to druck on Monday, June 06, 2022 21:38:16
    On 2022-06-06, druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:
    On 06/06/2022 20:04, R.Wieser wrote:
    druck,

    Please take it to email.

    How ? You've obviously not checked both his and my email addies.

    Besides, giving ones email address to random entities, especially ones that >> do not like you, is wrought with problems, none of which I desire to have.

    Point taken, perhaps I should have suggested shoving this up your
    collective rear-ends instead.

    +1

    .....
    Everyone here can see what is going on, you've made your point, now stop feeding the troll.

    +1

    Maybe people who hide their email address, feel they can be an arse with impunity. I'm also continually amazed at the TRIVIA that people can get
    wound up about.

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  • From Lew Pitcher@3:770/3 to Jim Jackson on Monday, June 06, 2022 21:55:19
    On Mon, 06 Jun 2022 21:38:16 +0000, Jim Jackson wrote:

    [snip]

    Maybe people who hide their email address, feel they can be an arse with impunity. I'm also continually amazed at the TRIVIA that people can get
    wound up about.

    Obligatory xkcd: https://xkcd.com/386/

    --
    Lew Pitcher
    "In Skills, We Trust"

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  • From Jim Jackson@3:770/3 to Lew Pitcher on Monday, June 06, 2022 21:57:00
    On 2022-06-06, Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> wrote:
    On Mon, 06 Jun 2022 21:38:16 +0000, Jim Jackson wrote:

    [snip]

    Maybe people who hide their email address, feel they can be an arse with
    impunity. I'm also continually amazed at the TRIVIA that people can get
    wound up about.

    Obligatory xkcd: https://xkcd.com/386/


    :-)

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  • From R.Wieser@3:770/3 to together with the on Tuesday, June 07, 2022 09:24:07
    druck,

    Than set the subthread between nospam and myself to hidden. Problem
    solved.

    Except having to regularly block copious volumes of argumentative
    nonsense, only serves to put people off using this newsgroup for genuine Raspberry Pi discussions.

    Welcome to the real world,where usenet is like the old wild-west.: Anyone
    can do whatever they please, from dumping whatever they like in as many newsgroups they can find to bashing people in it.

    And yes, after so many years of not wanting to do it I rather recently (two years or so ago) decided that automatically removing some peoples posts together with the replies to them from (standard) view would be a good idea. Times change.

    Everyone here can see what is going on, you've made your point, now stop feeding the troll.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I just realized something from the above : is
    the reason you are responding to me (and not nospam) because my post is the only one you're seeing ? He's already been put in the doghouse by you and others ?

    In that case any more posting in an attempt to make you and others aware of
    the game nospam is playing is indeed a bit superfluous here.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser

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  • From R.Wieser@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, June 07, 2022 09:26:44
    Lew,

    Obligatory xkcd: https://xkcd.com/386/

    If only my "conversation" with nospam would have progressed that far.
    Actually having something to discuss would be a vast improvement.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@3:770/3 to R.Wieser on Tuesday, June 07, 2022 10:57:19
    On 07/06/2022 08:24, R.Wieser wrote:
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I just realized something from the above : is the reason you are responding to me (and not nospam) because my post is the only one you're seeing ? He's already been put in the doghouse by you and others ?
    I am certainly not seeing his posts.

    I give people about ten chances and if they haven't in ~ten posts posted anything interesting amusing or useful, kill file them


    --
    "The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow witted
    man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest
    thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid
    before him."

    - Leo Tolstoy

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  • From nospam@3:770/3 to address@not.available on Tuesday, June 07, 2022 08:10:39
    In article <t7l2vo$19i4$1@gioia.aioe.org>, R.Wieser
    <address@not.available> wrote:

    But, if you think so you only have to prove, underbuild or even just explain why none of the ones I mentioned will work - which you never will. You simply do not have that kind of knowledge.

    you didn't suggest anything he could try, let alone work. all you did
    was throw out a lot of jargon, that it 'might' be possible, needs
    hardware, is a lot of effort, etc.

    i provided a link that turns a pi 400 into a keyboard, *exactly* what
    was requested, something which is *very* easy to do and with nothing
    more than a usb cable, which he almost certainly has.



    In further news it has been concluded that water is wet.

    not always.

    <https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/08/100825174102.htm>
    Carter explained that the substance became known as "dry water"
    because it consists of 95 percent water and yet is a dry powder.

    Funny how even the first line of your quoted tells you not once but *twice* that its "dry". The word "wet" doesn't appear /anywhere/ in that same article.

    what do you think 'dry' means?

    hint: dry = not wet.

    <https://www.dictionary.com/browse/dry>
    free from moisture or excess moisture; not moist; not wet:
    a dry towel; dry air.

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  • From nospam@3:770/3 to address@not.available on Tuesday, June 07, 2022 08:10:44
    In article <t7lj4e$1l5j$1@gioia.aioe.org>, R.Wieser
    <address@not.available> wrote:


    The whole problem is that I *cannot* have an argument (discussion) with nospam, because he won't /ever/ give me anything specific that could be the basis of a discussion. Just a never-ending stream of "you're wrong" /
    "you don't know anything" claims, never underbuild.

    that's false. i've provided a lot of specifics in various threads, with references when appropriate, which you either do not understand and
    think it means something different or you just ignore it.

    You don't need to take my word for that either

    because it's wrong.

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  • From nospam@3:770/3 to address@not.available on Tuesday, June 07, 2022 08:10:43
    In article <t7l2vo$19i4$2@gioia.aioe.org>, R.Wieser
    <address@not.available> wrote:

    Using USB ? Nope, as as far as I know you can't change its USB
    "master" mode into "client" mode (as the Pi Zero can). Though,
    as mentioned, you could always look at some extra hardware perhaps
    emulating an USB keyboard at one side and getting fed with 7 bits
    + strobe, I2C or SPI..

    You are absolutely right. I did not think about that.

    he's wrong.

    As always, not underbuild or explained, and as such absolutily
    meaningless.

    it was explained in another post, which you are deliberately ignoring.

    You said "he's wrong." You did not explain what, how or why. You still haven't.

    i did. do try to keep up.

    all that's needed is to install something and connect the pi 400 to the
    other computer with a usb cable. thats *it*.



    the solution is very simple, with only a usb cable needed.

    Who said that the OP wanted an USB cable solution ?

    who said he wanted something else?

    the year is 2022. usb has been the standard keyboard connection for
    more than 20 years. ps/2 faded away into obscurity long ago.

    if he wanted ps/2 for some reason, he would have said so.




    In contrast I would not even believe you if would tell me that the sun
    comes up in the east.

    there are some people who have seen the sun rise in the west.

    maybe you can figure out how it happened, although i doubt it.

    I'm sure I cannot. Maybe you could explain it ? It would be a small step for mankind if you did.

    to be fair, it's a very specific scenario and i don't expect very many
    people to know about it, however, it *does* exist.

    i only mentioned it because there are always exceptions, and you have a
    habit of using exceptions to try to prove people wrong, no matter how
    rare they might be.

    anyway, it's very simple: fly faster than the earth is rotating, and in
    the opposite direction.

    concorde was a supersonic plane that flew at roughly twice the speed of
    sound between new york city and either london (via british airways) or
    paris (via air france), until its retirement in october, 2003.

    evening flights would often take off after the sun had set in london or
    paris (mainly in winter months) and fly west to new york where the sun
    was still shining.

    that meant that prior to the flight, passengers would see the sun set
    in the west while on the ground and depart in darkness. during the
    flight, they'd see the sun rise in the west as they flew westward into daylight, only to see the sun set once again in the west after landing
    in new york, all within a roughly 4-5 hour time span.

    although concorde no longer flies, supersonic flights are expected to
    return within a decade, with more advanced and quieter planes, at which
    point people will once again be able to experience this unusual (and
    very real) phenomenon.

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  • From R.Wieser@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, June 07, 2022 18:14:07
    nospam,

    i provided a link that turns a pi 400 into a keyboard, *exactly* what
    was requested,

    Reading comprehension again ? I suggest you re-read the OPs first post.

    He asked if it was *possible*, not to present him with exactly how to do it.

    There is a bit of a difference between trying to *help* someone, and
    smothering someone to death with "you don't need to think about it, here is
    how somebody else did it" information (assuming you actually provided that link. Which I, at this moment, do not take your word for).

    what do you think 'dry' means?

    hint: dry = not wet.

    Yep, it means that. You also lied, by pointing at *encapsulated* water to "prove" your point.

    You know, I get the feeling that you either did not actually understand what you read there, or are still assuming - even when I've given ample
    indication that I wouldn't - that I would just drop to my knees and bow to
    what some sciency document says.

    You said "he's wrong." You did not explain what, how or why. You still
    haven't.

    i did. do try to keep up.

    As so often, you could have just quoted where you did that. You never do. You're just lying about that you did.

    The whole problem is that I *cannot* have an argument (discussion)
    with nospam, because he won't /ever/ give me anything specific that
    could be the basis of a discussion. Just a never-ending stream of
    "you're wrong" / "you don't know anything" claims, never underbuild.

    that's false. i've provided a lot of specifics in various threads,
    with references when appropriate, which you either do not understand
    and think it means something different or you just ignore it.

    and again, you're lying. You never did and you never will.

    As it turns out that the people here seem to alreay know that you are
    playing games, so my pointing out to them where and how you are playing - claiming your ass of but never onderbuild it, being rtaher hypocritical - it isn't really needed here anymore.

    So, goodbye to you.

    Regards,
    Rudy wieser.

    P.s.
    Have you already figured out how, in regard to email retention, POP3 can be made to act the same as IMAP ? No, I didn't think so.

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  • From Andreas Bockelmann@3:770/3 to Theo on Friday, June 10, 2022 07:50:43
    Theo schrieb:

    Yes:
    Install the distro from https://pikvm.org/ onto an SD card
    Power it up in your Pi
    Go to the website served from your pi, eg https://pikvm.local/
    Log in

    Thanks, that's a cool project. I just wathced the video they linked. If had known about this, my colleagues had been able to save a lot of money isntead
    of buying KVM switches from Dell.


    --
    Mit freundlichen Grüßen
    Andreas Bockelmann

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  • From Theo@3:770/3 to Andreas Bockelmann on Friday, June 10, 2022 11:11:54
    Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> wrote:
    Theo schrieb:

    Yes:
    Install the distro from https://pikvm.org/ onto an SD card
    Power it up in your Pi
    Go to the website served from your pi, eg https://pikvm.local/
    Log in

    Thanks, that's a cool project. I just wathced the video they linked. If had known about this, my colleagues had been able to save a lot of money isntead of buying KVM switches from Dell.

    They spent a long time going through multiple revs of hardware, and now they are shipping the v3 module which is pretty nice (~$100 so not super cheap, although
    you can stick an HDMI/USB switch on the front to control multiple
    computers). The $30 metal case is nice too.

    Unfortunately it's now sourcing the Pi4 that's the problem :(

    (it is possible to cobble up something using another Pi - a Pi Zero is ok, a $35 HDMI capture module from Aliexpress and a bunch of cables, but it's too fragile to deploy in a production environment)

    Theo

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