On 03-24-22 21:57, boraxman wrote to Utopian Galt <=-

I would think instead of creating a net, we could just try an actual BB dedicated to politics, that way if it does turn out a bad idea, its a simple matter of closing the BBS. This doesn't leave a 'defunct' network out there.

Im thinking of making a 2nd bbs Called Inland Utopia 2.0
Maybe I might do that.

It would be easier to administer and keep the malcontents off too, if
it is dedicated BBS?

It would be a BBS I might join myself, depending on how it goes.

I'm more a "bring the network to me" person, I tend to forget to do many logins (one of several reasons why web forums are a failure for me). However, a politics network hosted by a dedicated political BBS might be a way out. Keep it simple, use QWK networking for those of us who do decide to take a feed. I'm in two minds, if it's well done it might be interesting, especially if it discusses politics, rather than becomes a forum for pushing beliefs.


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I'm more a "bring the network to me" person, I tend to forget to do many logins (one of several reasons why web forums are a failure for me). However, a politics network hosted by a dedicated political BBS might be
a way out. Keep it simple, use QWK networking for those of us who do decide to take a feed. I'm in two minds, if it's well done it might be interesting, especially if it discusses politics, rather than becomes a forum for pushing beliefs.

From the political discussion I am trying to have on another network, I do not hold much hope of anything good coming from it. I kind of regret engaging in that discussion alone. We only have a few BBS users, and, well, you'll get lots of namecalling and assumptions and not much else.

At least of the discussion is on a BBS dedicated to it, the users can be "curated" and those who just think political discussion is accusing people of being "facists" and "liberals" can be booted off. Creating a public 'net' has a moral hazard here, because you are inviting discussion, and it becomes harder to justify kicking off the malcontents. If it is just on your own private BBS, it is less like censorship.

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Vk3jed wrote to boraxman <=-

I'm more a "bring the network to me" person, I tend to forget to do
many logins (one of several reasons why web forums are a failure for
me). However, a politics network hosted by a dedicated political BBS might be a way out. Keep it simple, use QWK networking for those of us who do decide to take a feed. I'm in two minds, if it's well done it
might be interesting, especially if it discusses politics, rather than becomes a forum for pushing beliefs.

As someone earlier pointed out... FIDO has at least two echoes dedicated to politics, and ILink and Dovenet each have one. Why not just use one of
those?



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BY: boraxman(21:1/101)

Im thinking of making a 2nd bbs Called Inland Utopia 2.0
Maybe I might do that.

It would be easier to administer and keep the malcontents off too, if it
is dedicated BBS?

It would be a BBS I might join myself, depending on how it goes.

I wanted to make like 20-30 message bases with forums of various topics. BBS would be largely center-right, but would be inclusive to drug legalization/decriminalization and lgbtq (positive and skeptics).


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BY: Blue White(21:4/134)

As someone earlier pointed out... FIDO has at least two echoes dedicated
to
politics, and ILink and Dovenet each have one. Why not just use one of those?

I was thinking of more specialist topics. It could be a perverse meld of PoofNet/SurvivalNet/WeedNet.


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On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 10:24:50 -0700
"Utopian Galt" <utopian.galt@21:4/108> wrote:

BY: boraxman(21:1/101)

Im thinking of making a 2nd bbs Called Inland Utopia 2.0
Maybe I might do that.

It would be easier to administer and keep the malcontents off too,
if it is dedicated BBS?

It would be a BBS I might join myself, depending on how it goes.

I wanted to make like 20-30 message bases with forums of various
topics. BBS would be largely center-right, but would be inclusive to
drug legalization/decriminalization and lgbtq (positive and
skeptics).

I would have nothing to do with a network like that. It's going to
breed too much bad blood that should maybe be left undiscovered.
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On 03-27-22 00:06, boraxman wrote to Vk3jed <=-

At least of the discussion is on a BBS dedicated to it, the users can
be "curated" and those who just think political discussion is accusing people of being "facists" and "liberals" can be booted off. Creating a public 'net' has a moral hazard here, because you are inviting
discussion, and it becomes harder to justify kicking off the
malcontents. If it is just on your own private BBS, it is less like censorship.

Yeah I see where you're coming from, but in a practical sense, a single BBS version isn't going to fly for me, for some of the same reasons web forums fail with me (at least the performance won't suck on a BBS ;) ).


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On 03-26-22 09:33, Blue White wrote to Vk3jed <=-

As someone earlier pointed out... FIDO has at least two echoes
dedicated to politics, and ILink and Dovenet each have one. Why not
just use one of those?

Definitely an option. Only one of those I'm on is the Dovenet one as it turns out. :)


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On 03-27-22 10:24, Utopian Galt wrote to Boraxman <=-

It would be a BBS I might join myself, depending on how it goes.

I wanted to make like 20-30 message bases with forums of various
topics. BBS would be largely center-right, but would be inclusive to

Hmm, I would hope it's more wide ranging than that. You've kinda lost my interest, I'm a little left od centre (not much, but enough to find the right off putting). :)

drug legalization/decriminalization and lgbtq (positive and skeptics).

Now those are areas that could be interesting, especially the issues surrounding legalisation of drugs. Despite being a non drug user myself (not even alcohol!), I have an open mind on the issue and can see some potential benefits, if this is appropriately managed.


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On 03-27-22 11:05, Utopian Galt wrote to Blue White <=-

BY: Blue White(21:4/134)

As someone earlier pointed out... FIDO has at least two echoes dedicated to
politics, and ILink and Dovenet each have one. Why not just use one of those?

I was thinking of more specialist topics. It could be a perverse meld
of PoofNet/SurvivalNet/WeedNet.

Interesting mix there! :)


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I have an idea
I have been kicking around the idea for creating a politics net . What
if I make a new net about politics and test run to see how toxic it gets
. ill host it here and we call it something like FSXnet Politics with
new zone number or I
could call something else like 404 or 1202 politics . or just
politicsNet ... Im willing if anybody likes that idea .

I would rather *NOT* see politics on fsxNet. That's one of the great things about it. If people want politics go to another message network.

Politics are poison to any FTN. It turns off too many people.

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Re: Re: To All ( PoliticsNet )
By: Cozmo to Solaris on Wed Apr 06 2022 05:35 pm

Politics are poison to any FTN. It turns off too many people.

FTN, as in specifically FidoNet networks? Or poison to any message network in general?

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Much like our round and round with netmail the other day… :)

FTN includes othernets.


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Cozmo wrote to Solaris <=-

Politics are poison to any FTN. It turns off too many people.

And just about anywhere else, too.



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FTN, as in specifically FidoNet networks? Or poison to any message network in general?

Personally I think poison to and message network.

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Amen to that!

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Re: Re: To All ( PoliticsNet )
By: Cozmo to Blue White on Sat Apr 09 2022 03:51 pm

Amen to that!

Amen to what? It would help to quote what you're replying to so people can follow the conversation.

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Am 09.04.22 schrieb Nightfox@21:1/137 in FSX_NET:

Hallo Nightfox,

Amen to that!

Amen to what? It would help to quote what you're replying to so
people can follow the conversation.

That's why I love OpenXP: You can just open the thread view and go to
the message that is referenced :)
(and most messages contain this information, as long as a 'reply'
function is used to write it)

Regards,
Anna

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Cozmo wrote to Blue White <=-

Amen to that!

How about a political board where all of the member boards commit to only keeping 10-20 messages at any given time? Rant, and it disappears.




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On 06 Apr 2022 at 05:35p, Cozmo pondered and said...

I would rather *NOT* see politics on fsxNet. That's one of the great things about it. If people want politics go to another message network.

Politics are poison to any FTN. It turns off too many people.

Noted and thanks for your feedback :)

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On 22 Mar 2022 at 11:29p, Solaris pondered and said...

I have an idea

:)

I have been kicking around the idea for creating a politics net . What
if I make a new net about politics and test run to see how toxic it gets
. ill host it here and we call it something like FSXnet Politics with
new zone number or I could call something else like 404 or 1202 politics
. or just politicsNet ... Im willing if anybody likes that idea .

Thanks for your creativity Solaris :) I'm thinking at the moment it's something I don't think we should pursue. Given there seems to be a few well established FTNs with echomail areas already set up for politics I'm not convinced at the moment that the need/demand from folks is there for such a thing. But I do admire your out of the box thinking :)

Right now I'm just circling back to an older thread I started and am trying to form a view for the merits (or otherwise) of a politics echo in fsxNet. That's a tough enough task heh...

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I have an idea
I have been kicking around the idea for creating a politics net . What if I make a new net about politics and test run to see how toxic it gets . ill host it here and we call it something like FSXnet Politics with new zone number or I could call something else like 404 or 1202 politics . or just politicsNet ... Im willing if anybody likes that idea .

Sysop SolaRis
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On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 23:29:37 -0400
"Solaris" <solaris@21:2/1202> wrote:

I have an idea
I have been kicking around the idea for creating a politics net .
What if I make a new net about politics and test run to see how toxic
it gets . ill host it here and we call it something like FSXnet
Politics with new zone number or I could call something else like 404
or 1202 politics . or just politicsNet ... Im willing if anybody
likes that idea .

Why?

FIDO_ALLPOLIT ALL-POLITICS
FIDO_POLITICS POLITICS
SPOOKNETSNPOLITI SN_POLITICS
ILPOLITICS IL_POLITICS
WNWENPOLIT WEN-POLITICS

You've got 5 different politics areas on 4 different networks, why
don't you use one of those rather than constructing another dead
network?
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I have an idea
I have been kicking around the idea for creating a politics net . What
if I make a new net about politics and test run to see how toxic it gets
. ill host it here and we call it something like FSXnet Politics with
new zone number or I could call something else like 404 or 1202 politics
. or just politicsNet ... Im willing if anybody likes that idea .

The issue is that discussion about politics can work. For example, a civilised discussion about Marxism, or the philosophical basis for Western Liberal Democracy.

The reason things go toxic is because people aren't wanting to discuss political subjects, but want to PUSH their ideas. That want to push a political view, rather than talk about politics.

It will be hard to keep these toxic people out, and I'll save you the trouble of creating another dead network, and tell you that with almost all certainty, it will turn rancid. Politics these days is rancid because people don't know how to discuss it.

I would think instead of creating a net, we could just try an actual BBS dedicated to politics, that way if it does turn out a bad idea, its a simple matter of closing the BBS. This doesn't leave a 'defunct' network out there.

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Hello Nigel Reed!

** On Wednesday 23.03.22 - 03:53, Nigel Reed wrote to All:

"Solaris" <solaris@21:2/1202> wrote:

I have an idea
I have been kicking around the idea for creating a politics net .
What if I make a new net about politics and test run to see..

FIDO_ALLPOLIT ALL-POLITICS
FIDO_POLITICS POLITICS
SPOOKNETSNPOLITI SN_POLITICS
ILPOLITICS IL_POLITICS
WNWENPOLIT WEN-POLITICS

You've got 5 different politics areas on 4 different networks, why
don't you use one of those rather than constructing another dead
network?

A dedicated net could provide "sub" categories for particular
topics.

Eg.

PoliticsNet/USA-Only
PoliticsNet/Europe-Only
PoliticsNet/World

..etc.

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Re: Re: To All ( PoliticsNet )
By: Solaris to Avon on Tue Mar 22 2022 11:29 pm

I have an idea
I have been kicking around the idea for creating a politics net . What if I make a new net about politics and test run to see how toxic it gets .

I have a feeling that could be a recipe for disaster. :P

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BY: boraxman(21:1/101)

I would think instead of creating a net, we could just try an actual BBS dedicated to politics, that way if it does turn out a bad idea, its a
simple matter of closing the BBS. This doesn't leave a 'defunct'
network out there.

Im thinking of making a 2nd bbs Called Inland Utopia 2.0
Maybe I might do that.


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I would think instead of creating a net, we could just try an actual BB dedicated to politics, that way if it does turn out a bad idea, its a simple matter of closing the BBS. This doesn't leave a 'defunct' network out there.

Im thinking of making a 2nd bbs Called Inland Utopia 2.0
Maybe I might do that.

It would be easier to administer and keep the malcontents off too, if it is dedicated BBS?

It would be a BBS I might join myself, depending on how it goes.

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On 03-23-22 22:58, boraxman wrote to Solaris <=-

I would think instead of creating a net, we could just try an actual
BBS dedicated to politics, that way if it does turn out a bad idea, its
a simple matter of closing the BBS. This doesn't leave a 'defunct' network out there.

Could do both, and if it flops, pull the BBS and the network more or less dies with it.


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