From the maker of BBS Wordle, BBS Drag Racing, Bowling Solitaire, X-News door and more comes Kannons and Katapults Remastered Edition! For the first time in the game's 34-year history, challenge other players in asynchronous turn-based battles! Create games, join existing matches, and compete on separate PvP rankings. Or just like the OG version you can battle vs. the Komputer. For more info and to download visit the KNK Remastered website here [https://bbswordle.com/knk25/].
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From the maker of BBS Wordle, BBS Drag Racing, Bowling Solitaire, X-News door and more comes Kannons and Katapults Remastered Edition! For the first time in the game's 34-year history, challenge other players in asynchronous turn-based battles! Create games, join existing matches, and compete on separate PvP rankings. Or just like the OG version you can battle vs. the Komputer. For more info and to download visit the KNK Remastered website here [https://bbswordle.com/knk25/]. ===

I have the same problem with this door as the others, it acts like enter was hit 5 or 6 times on startup and behaves that way... Wordle and x-news aren't affected as they ignore that. I've reported this, but was totally blown off. SBBS probably doesn't have this issue, but if I do Mystic and others probably do with the win32 door.

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Re: Kannons and Katapults - Remastered
By: Martin Kazmaier to Rob McGee on Mon Dec 01 2025 19:31:00

I have the same problem with this door as the others, it acts like enter was hit 5 or 6 times on startup and behaves that way... Wordle and x-news aren' affected as they ignore that. I've reported this, but was totally blown off SBBS probably doesn't have this issue, but if I do Mystic and others probabl do with the win32 door.

Are you logging into your bbs locally or via a terminal program? If so, what terminal program are you using?
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Re: Kannons and Katapults - Remastered
By: Martin Kazmaier to Rob McGee on Mon Dec 01 2025 19:31:00

I have the same problem with this door as the others, it acts like

enter was

hit 5 or 6 times on startup and behaves that way... Wordle and x-news

aren'

affected as they ignore that. I've reported this, but was totally

blown off

SBBS probably doesn't have this issue, but if I do Mystic and others

probabl

do with the win32 door.

Are you logging into your bbs locally or via a terminal program? If so, what terminal program are you using?

Thanks, it's the terminals. mtelnet, netrunner and icyterm all have this issue. syncterm does not and connectbot does not. Both of the last two disconnect on the advent calendar, though...

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To: Martin Kazmaier
Re: Kannons and Katapults - Remastered
By: Martin Kazmaier to Mike Powell on Tue Dec 02 2025 12:51 pm

From Newsgroup: FidoNet.DOORGAMES

Re: Kannons and Katapults - Remastered By: Martin Kazmaier to Rob
McGee on Mon Dec 01 2025 19:31:00

I have the same problem with this door as the others, it acts like

enter was

hit 5 or 6 times on startup and behaves that way... Wordle and x-news

aren'

affected as they ignore that. I've reported this, but was totally

blown off

SBBS probably doesn't have this issue, but if I do Mystic and others

probabl

do with the win32 door.

Are you logging into your bbs locally or via a terminal program?
If so, what terminal program are you using?

Thanks, it's the terminals. mtelnet, netrunner and icyterm all have
this issue. syncterm does not and connectbot does not. Both of the
last two disconnect on the advent calendar, though...

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works fine under synchronet using mtelnet and syncterm.
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Are you logging into your bbs locally or via a terminal program? If so, what terminal program are you using?

Thanks, it's the terminals. mtelnet, netrunner and icyterm all have this issue. syncterm does not and connectbot does not. Both of the last two disconnect on the advent calendar, though...

I have some issues with some terminal programs adding extra CRs when
accessing things on my DOS bbs. It can be fixed by using Syncterm in RAW
mode instead of Telnet mode. I am not sure how you invoke raw mode in
other terminal programs, or if you can.

Mike


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Re: Kannons and Katapults - R
By: Mike Powell to MARTIN KAZMAIER on Wed Dec 03 2025 11:21 am

I have some issues with some terminal programs adding extra CRs when accessing things on my DOS bbs. It can be fixed by using Syncterm in RAW mode instead of Telnet mode. I am not sure how you invoke raw mode in
other terminal programs, or if you can.

Most other terminals do part of what SyncTERM does in raw mode by default, especially around the binary mode and bare CR expansion. Telnet is a stupidly complex protocol, and not all implementers reach the same conclusions about what the various bits of text actually mean because the abstractions that made sense in the seventies don't really match todays landscape.

As for your DOS BBS, it sounds like it simply doesn't have a telnet server answering incoming connections.
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* In a message originally to Martin Kazmaier, Jas Hud said:

To: Martin Kazmaier Re: Kannons and Katapults - Remastered By: Martin Kazmaier to Mike Powell on Tue Dec 02 2025 12:51 pm

From Newsgroup: FidoNet.DOORGAMES

Re: Kannons and Katapults - Remastered By: Martin Kazmaier to Rob McGee on Mon Dec 01 2025 19:31:00

I have the same problem with this door as the others, it acts

like

enter was

hit 5 or 6 times on startup and behaves that way... Wordle and

x-news

aren'

affected as they ignore that. I've reported this, but was

totally

blown off

SBBS probably doesn't have this issue, but if I do Mystic and

others

probabl

do with the win32 door.

Are you logging into your bbs locally or via a terminal program? If so, what terminal program are you using?

Thanks, it's the terminals. mtelnet, netrunner and icyterm all have
this issue. syncterm does not and connectbot does not. Both of the
last two disconnect on the advent calendar, though...

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works fine under synchronet using mtelnet and syncterm.

Sorry fo the huge quote, using my phone. mtelnet skips 2 screens. syncterm works fine.

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To: Martin Kazmaier
Re: Kannons and Katapults - Remastered
By: Martin Kazmaier to Jas Hud on Wed Dec 03 2025 10:25 am@

works fine under synchronet using mtelnet and syncterm.

Sorry fo the huge quote, using my phone. mtelnet skips 2 screens.
syncterm works fine.

it showed the same screens as syncterm. so is this a mystic bbs issue?


i'm talking about knk2
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To: Martin Kazmaier
Re: Kannons and Katapults - Remastered By: Martin Kazmaier to Jas Hud
on Wed Dec 03 2025 10:25 am@

works fine under synchronet using mtelnet and syncterm.

Sorry fo the huge quote, using my phone. mtelnet skips 2 screens. syncterm works fine.

it showed the same screens as syncterm. so is this a mystic bbs issue?

i'm talking about knk2

I run ELE. I don't know. When I use mtelnet I don't see the ANSI music prompt.

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Hey Martin!

On Thu, 04 Dec 2025 11:34:00 , you wrote:

I run ELE. I don't know. When I use mtelnet I don't see the ANSI
music prompt.

Is it possible knk2 tries to detect ANSI music support, and if not found it doesn't display the prompt?

Mtelnet, as well as most other BBS telnet programs, have never supported ANSI music. Mtelnet never will, either. Syncterm is one of the few (maybe even one of the only) that does, though. So this may explain why whatever you're talking about is only displayed in Syncterm, and not in the others you've tried.

Regards,
Nick

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Re: Kannons and Katapults - Remastered
By: Nick Boel to Martin Kazmaier on Thu Dec 04 2025 04:36 pm

Mtelnet, as well as most other BBS telnet programs, have never supported ANSI music. Mtelnet never will, either. Syncterm is one of the few (maybe even one of the only) that does, though. So this may explain why whatever you're talking about is only displayed in Syncterm, and not in the others you've tried.

Honestly, IcyTerm supports a huge amount of stuff... I would be completely unsurprised to learn it does ANSI music as well.
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Hey Martin!

On Thu, 04 Dec 2025 11:34:00 , you wrote:

I run ELE. I don't know. When I use mtelnet I don't see the ANSI music prompt.

Is it possible knk2 tries to detect ANSI music support, and if not found it doesn't display the prompt?

Mtelnet, as well as most other BBS telnet programs, have never supported ANSI music. Mtelnet never will, either. Syncterm is one of the few (maybe even one of the only) that does, though. So this may explain why whatever you're talking about is only displayed in Syncterm, and not in the others you've tried.

It doesn't detect ANSI music it asks the user if they heard any or just saw
a series of characters.

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Hey Martin!

On Thu, 04 Dec 2025 16:44:00 , you wrote:

It doesn't detect ANSI music it asks the user if they heard any or just
saw a series of characters.

Ah, well sorry then. I tried. Good luck figuring it out!

Regards,
Nick

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To: Nick Boel
Re: Kannons and Katapults - Remastered
By: Nick Boel to Martin Kazmaier on Thu Dec 04 2025 04:36 pm

Is it possible knk2 tries to detect ANSI music support, and if not
found it doesn't display the prompt?

Mtelnet, as well as most other BBS telnet programs, have never
supported ANSI music. Mtelnet never will, either. Syncterm is one of
the few (maybe even one of the only) that does, though. So this may
explain why whatever you're talking about is only displayed

ansi sound sucks.

and this guy is just forgetting that he said no to the ansi sound effects.
it asks you.
"Press [ENTER] to continue. -=> FT64L64O5CDP32CDP32CDP16
If your terminal supports ANSI sound, you just heard some.
If it doesnt, you just saw some weird characters.

Do you want the ANSI sound effects? [Y/N] -=>"

this is mt32 when you say you want the sound
effects. it attemps the ansi music.
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Re: Kannons and Katapults - R
By: Stephen Hurd to Mike Powell on Wed Dec 03 2025 16:57:53

I have some issues with some terminal programs adding extra CRs when accessing things on my DOS bbs. It can be fixed by using Syncterm in RAW mode instead of Telnet mode. I am not sure how you invoke raw mode in other terminal programs, or if you can.

Most other terminals do part of what SyncTERM does in raw mode by default, e text actually mean because the abstractions that made sense in the seventies

As for your DOS BBS, it sounds like it simply doesn't have a telnet server a

The DOSBOX-X virtual modem answers the incoming calls, which are handed to it via haproxy.

Before that, I had tcpser answering for dosemu sessions and, IIRC, had similar issues.

Before that, it was OS/2 and VMODEM and there were no issues. ;)
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Re: Kannons and Katapults - R
By: Mike Powell to Stephen Hurd on Fri Dec 05 2025 10:08 am

The DOSBOX-X virtual modem answers the incoming calls, which are handed to it via haproxy.

Before that, I had tcpser answering for dosemu sessions and, IIRC, had similar issues.

Before that, it was OS/2 and VMODEM and there were no issues. ;)

So, the DOSBOX-X "softmodem" does support a telnet mode that may help with the issue... "ATNET1" selects telnet (and "ATNET0" turns it back off).

The thing to be careful of is that the entire command gets otherwise ignored if the substring "NET1" or "NET0" is in it, so if you're doing other init stuff you need to be sure it's separate.
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Hey Jas!

On Fri, 05 Dec 2025 04:40:14 -0600, you wrote:

and this guy is just forgetting that he said no to the ansi sound
effects. it asks you. "Press [ENTER] to continue. -=> FT64L64O5CDP32CDP32CDP16 If your terminal supports ANSI sound, you just heard some. If it doesnt, you just saw some weird characters.

Good to know!

Do you want the ANSI sound effects? [Y/N] -=>"

this is mt32 when you say you want the sound
effects. it attemps the ansi music.
https://i.imgur.com/fZIQTZ3.png

The only thing I was sure of when I replied was that Mtelnet /doesn't/ support ansi sound.

Syncterm does, though, and I agree with you it usually has been a terrible experience. If anyone could do the original DOOM soundtrack, though.. I'd give it another shot. Until then, though... :D

Regards,
Nick

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So, the DOSBOX-X "softmodem" does support a telnet mode that may help with the
issue... "ATNET1" selects telnet (and "ATNET0" turns it back off).

I assume that goes into the initial modem init string?

The thing to be careful of is that the entire command gets otherwise ignored i
the substring "NET1" or "NET0" is in it, so if you're doing other init stuff you need to be sure it's separate.

Noted. May complicate things a bit.


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* In a message originally to Martin Kazmaier, Nick Boel said:

Hey Martin!

On Fri, 05 Dec 2025 23:42:00 , you wrote:

No, this is not a synchronet game. This is a win32 door.

Right. But you're asking about it in Dovenet where people think you're referring to the JS version of the game, causing (at the very least
myself) confusion.

This message was posted on Fidonet.

What I'm stating is that when running the door on shsbbs.net, using mtelnet or netrunner or icyterm, the first few pages are skipped as if enter is hit repeatedly. Same is true with all win32 doors by this author. In many of them, this resutls in the first screen being

redrawn

many times before it calms down.

Contact the author and ask him about it? I gave you his email address, and
I don't think I've ever seen him post here, so what you are stating may be falling on deaf ears.

I have already done that and was ignored.

Regards, Nick

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So, the DOSBOX-X "softmodem" does support a telnet mode that may help with the issue... "ATNET1" selects telnet (and "ATNET0" turns it back off).

The thing to be careful of is that the entire command gets otherwise ignored if the substring "NET1" or "NET0" is in it, so if you're doing other init stuff you need to be sure it's separate.

So when I am in the BBS program and send 'ATNET1' to the DB-X "modem" I do get an "OK," which would make me think it supports it. To verify this, I sent an unknown string, 'ATBAG', and got "ERROR."

However, if I set the host mode init string to:

ATNET1|~~AT(actual init string)|

Which should send the ATNET1<cr>, wait a couple of seconds, and then send the real init.

I then used the telnet protocol to connect and I still got the same double-CR issue I had before. So apparently it recognizes ATNETx as a valid string but otherwise knows not what it means.... or I need to send it a different way.

Unlike BinkleyTerm, the BBS software *doesn't* have a separate pre-init that can be defined.

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Re: Re: Kannons and Katapults - R
By: Mike Powell to Stephen Hurd on Sat Dec 06 2025 11:14 am

I then used the telnet protocol to connect and I still got the same double-CR issue I had before. So apparently it recognizes ATNETx as a valid string but otherwise knows not what it means.... or I need to send it a different way.

It's possible that the telnet support doesn't do anything with NVT CRs, I didn't dig in too deeply into the source, just noticed that it does do at least some option negotiation and will track the current state.

So likely you only need to do this if you need to accept or send character 255 (which is a special telnet character) such as for uploads and downloads.
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