• innovations back in the day

    From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Tony Langdon on Friday, April 05, 2019 20:36:00
    Hello Tony!

    ** 05.04.19 - 18:08, Tony Langdon wrote to August Abolins:

    Just before the internet/www browser approach took off, there was a
    very interesting BBS solution by Shotgun BBS.

    This approach and RIP turned out to be too little too late for the BBS scene. Sad, as there was a bit of innovation at the time. I never got to try any of the graphical BBS interfaces.

    The graphics were much better than the ansi offerings in standard bbses at the time. Mouseble too.

    The concept was brilliant, IMHO.


    Regards,
    ../|ug

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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to August Abolins on Sunday, April 07, 2019 08:54:00
    On 04-05-19 20:36, August Abolins wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    The graphics were much better than the ansi offerings in standard bbses
    at the time. Mouseble too.

    The concept was brilliant, IMHO.

    Yes, if only it had caught on a few years earlier. :)


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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854.1 to Tony Langdon on Sunday, April 07, 2019 11:02:32
    The concept was brilliant, IMHO.

    Yes, if only it had caught on a few years earlier. :)

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  • From August Abolins@2:221/360 to Tony Langdon on Sunday, April 07, 2019 19:53:16
    On 06/04/2019 6:54 p.m., Tony Langdon : August Abolins wrote:

    RE: SHOTGON w/RIP

    The graphics were much better than the ansi offerings in
    standard bbses at the time. Mouseble too.

    The concept was brilliant, IMHO. >


    Yes, if only it had caught on a few years earlier. :)

    The problem was that everything else outside of Shotgun/RIP was moving too fast

    forward. Along came the "browser" for internet.

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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Ward Dossche on Monday, April 08, 2019 12:05:00
    On 04-07-19 11:02, Ward Dossche wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    My mother always used to say "if our cat were a cow the milkman didn't need to stop".

    Haha that's another way of putting it. :)


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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to August Abolins on Monday, April 08, 2019 12:08:00
    On 04-07-19 19:53, August Abolins wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    The problem was that everything else outside of Shotgun/RIP was moving
    too fast forward. Along came the "browser" for internet.

    It would have needed to have caught on before the WWW did. ;)


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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Tony Langdon on Monday, April 08, 2019 19:54:00
    Hello Tony!

    ** 08.04.19 - 12:08, Tony Langdon wrote to August Abolins:

    The problem was that everything else outside of Shotgun/RIP was
    moving too fast forward. Along came the "browser" for internet.

    It would have needed to have caught on before the WWW did. ;)


    Mosaic, Netscape, ShotGun.. all emerged in the mid 90's.

    Shotgun had a pretty good chance, but the target audience was just BBS
    users.

    The browser solution with Mosaic, Netscape targetted people who wanted to explore the web.


    Regards,
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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to August Abolins on Tuesday, April 09, 2019 10:13:00
    On 04-08-19 19:54, August Abolins wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Mosaic, Netscape, ShotGun.. all emerged in the mid 90's.

    Shotgun had a pretty good chance, but the target audience was just BBS users.

    The browser solution with Mosaic, Netscape targetted people who wanted
    to explore the web.

    Exactly. Had shotgun had a few years jump on Mosaic, we might have had a lot of BBS users already on GUI, by the time the web came around, and BBSs might have made more inroads where web forums are today.


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  • From Charles Pierson@1:106/127 to August Abolins on Wednesday, January 13, 2021 14:27:09
    On 13 Jan 2021, August Abolins said the following...

    Just before the internet/www browser approach took off, there was a AA>> very interesting BBS solution by Shotgun BBS.

    This approach and RIP turned out to be too little too late for the BBS scene. Sad, as there was a bit of innovation at the time. I never got try any of the graphical BBS interfaces.

    The graphics were much better than the ansi offerings in standard bbses
    at the time. Mouseble too.

    The concept was brilliant, IMHO.

    I remember RIP, and I kind of liked it. Shotgun I don't recall. I don't know for sure that I would say RIP was better, anymore than I'd say ANSI was
    better than C=64 graphics.

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  • From Jay Harris@1:229/664 to August Abolins on Wednesday, January 13, 2021 18:25:42
    On 05 Apr 2019, August Abolins said the following...

    The graphics were much better than the ansi offerings in standard bbses
    at the time. Mouseble too.

    The concept was brilliant, IMHO.

    If you want to experience it today:

    ftp://vert.synchro.net/main/comm/riptel.msi

    Download and install RIPtel and call the BBS built into the address book (Black Flag) - It's a full RIP BBS, it won't even let you call it with an ANSI terminal.


    Jay

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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Jay Harris on Thursday, January 14, 2021 01:28:00
    Hello Jay!

    ** On Wednesday 13.01.21 - 18:25, Jay Harris wrote to August Abolins:

    If you want to experience it today:

    ftp://vert.synchro.net/main/comm/riptel.msi

    Download and install RIPtel and call the BBS built into the
    address book (Black Flag) - It's a full RIP BBS, it won't
    even let you call it with an ANSI terminal.

    VERY nice! It's pretty much how I remembered how it worked. It
    provided a very "fast" performance over dialup back then since a
    lot of the graphics and menus were pre-loaded client side.

    No annoying scrolling of the main menus or screens except for
    some of the text info within a frame.

    I'm wondering if rip could be viable on a smartphone. Seems like
    messaging and basic bbs functions would be a good fit for
    devices like that.



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  • From Charles Pierson@1:106/127 to August Abolins on Thursday, January 14, 2021 07:11:23
    On 14 Jan 2021, August Abolins said the following...
    If you want to experience it today:

    ftp://vert.synchro.net/main/comm/riptel.msi

    Download and install RIPtel and call the BBS built into the
    address book (Black Flag) - It's a full RIP BBS, it won't
    even let you call it with an ANSI terminal.

    VERY nice! It's pretty much how I remembered how it worked. It provided a very "fast" performance over dialup back then since a
    lot of the graphics and menus were pre-loaded client side.

    No annoying scrolling of the main menus or screens except for
    some of the text info within a frame.

    I'm wondering if rip could be viable on a smartphone. Seems like messaging and basic bbs functions would be a good fit for
    devices like that.


    I'm pretty sure that it would be possible. The question is are there enough BBSes around the utilize RIP to make it worth the time and effort?

    Theoretically, anything that can be done on a desktop or laptop could be be done on a smartphone or Tablet. You just have to account for the difference
    in hardware.

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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Charles Pierson on Thursday, January 14, 2021 09:37:00
    Hello Charles!

    ** On Thursday 14.01.21 - 07:11, Charles Pierson wrote to August Abolins:

    I'm wondering if rip could be viable on a smartphone.
    Seems like messaging and basic bbs functions would be a
    good fit for devices like that.


    I'm pretty sure that it would be possible. The question is
    are there enough BBSes around the utilize RIP to make it
    worth the time and effort?

    The number of bbses does not matter at this time. What matters
    is if the concept can even be implemented. Maybe some existing
    concepts of Rip technology can be utilized and make the
    necessary adjustments for smartphone/tablet detection.

    Building a traditional app from scratch for smartphone/tablet
    devices that serves bbs functions sounds like too much work.
    Utilizing existing open-source such as what Telegram provides
    (where people are encouraged to provide customized clients) is
    the closest one can get to "get something done".

    But maybe Rip can provide the direct connections to specific
    bbses that this hobby seems to be grounded on.


    Theoretically, anything that can be done on a desktop or
    laptop could be be done on a smartphone or Tablet. You
    just have to account for the difference in hardware.

    When I first experienced Rip sessions, it seemed unlike anything
    else out there at the time. The typical scrolling screens of
    most computer interfaces were tedious.
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  • From Charles Pierson@1:1/0 to August Abolins on Thursday, January 14, 2021 11:31:09
    On 14 Jan 2021, August Abolins said the following...
    I'm pretty sure that it would be possible. The question is
    are there enough BBSes around the utilize RIP to make it
    worth the time and effort?

    The number of bbses does not matter at this time. What matters
    is if the concept can even be implemented. Maybe some existing
    concepts of Rip technology can be utilized and make the
    necessary adjustments for smartphone/tablet detection.
    Building a traditional app from scratch for smartphone/tablet
    devices that serves bbs functions sounds like too much work.
    Utilizing existing open-source such as what Telegram provides
    (where people are encouraged to provide customized clients) is
    the closest one can get to "get something done".


    That's the trick. You don't have to build a traditional app from scratch. I haven't looked into RIP much, simply because I haven't seen much mentio of
    it. But if the source code for it is open source, that code can be used in
    the Android app. The only new coding would be cosmetic and perhaps any mouse functions to touchscreen, for example. I would think most of the rest of new code would be a matter of adjusting what accesses the X86 hardware to the comperable armf hardware.

    I'm by no means an expert on the subject. But from what I'm picking up, I believe that if a program works on a Raspberry Pi, it should work on an
    Andoid device.

    If my programming ability was better, I'd start compiling apks with available source codes for various BBS related programs just to see how they work as
    is. I'm silly like that.

    But maybe Rip can provide the direct connections to specific
    bbses that this hobby seems to be grounded on.

    That's an option. A specialized app to connect to a specific BBS. For a new person to BBSing, it'd probably be a fair introduction.
    Theoretically, anything that can be done on a desktop or
    laptop could be be done on a smartphone or Tablet. You
    just have to account for the difference in hardware.

    When I first experienced Rip sessions, it seemed unlike anything
    else out there at the time. The typical scrolling screens of
    most computer interfaces were tedious.
    --

    Scrolling screens only bothered me when a BBS had multiple pages of ANSI artwork on their log in that you couldn't bypass.

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  • From Jay Harris@1:229/664 to Charles Pierson on Thursday, January 14, 2021 14:10:39
    On 14 Jan 2021, Charles Pierson said the following...

    That's an option. A specialized app to connect to a specific BBS. For a newperson to BBSing, it'd probably be a fair introduction.

    That reminds me of when I was back in high school. I saved a HyperTerminal connection file to a 3.5" floppy and passed them out for free at school.

    Not sure if that ever got me any new callers, but I like to think it did.

    Now-a-days yeah, you'd need your own app. Maybe print out a QR code with a link to the app or something to make it appealing...


    Jay

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