Re: Re: Democrats attempt assassination
By: IB Joe to Ken Nischan on Sun Jul 14 2024 08:33:54

I'd like know what his social media posts were like... I'd like to hear what friends and family think.

Supposedly, he did not really have much of a social media presence, which was hampering investigators. Be interesting to hear about his friends and family. They reported the house that was of interest was in a nice neighborhood, something I would think an unemployed 20-something couldn't afford. That makes me wonder if he was not living with family.

His vehicle supposedly had explosives in it, per news reports.

From what I can see, from the news and social media, there are videos of peo telling the authorities about a man on the roof with a gun.

You have to be careful with those, though. Some of them were clearly filmed after the assassin had already been killed but are being passed off as before. Others are a bunch of sound but the picture is not of anything but the ground. --- SBBSecho 3.20-Linux
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Re: Re: Democrats attempt assassination
By: IB Joe to Aaron Thomas on Sun Jul 14 2024 18:16:42

What the... Every time something like this goes down they always make the shooter out to be a lone gunman.

Until they find evidence to the contrary, he is a lone gunman.
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I think that the Elitists know they dodged a bullet (along with Trump) because if the attempt on Trump had succeeded, it would have started a hot civil war and the Elitist operatives would have been very high on the list of ones do go next.

But do we even have people on our side who are willing to more than just cast a ballot? All we ever do is vote, while the leftists are controlling the airwaves, infiltrating government agencies, mis-educating the kids, and emptying jails.

There is supposedly a large percentage of gun owners, who one could imagine believe in 2A rights, that are not even registered to vote. So they are not even casting ballots. There is at least one Trump supporter in BBS land (who posts frequently on Dovenet) who recently bragged about not being registered to vote.

It is supposed that if these gun owners, who live in swing states that went blue in 2020, are 2A, had been registered, and had voted for Trump in the past election, he would have carried those states.

I would not even count on people on your side to even cast ballots.

I doubt that the secret service is struggling with incompetence. It's more likely that they're serving the world's elite and trying to kill Trump. They don't seem to have any problem protecting Obama or Bush.

The Secret Service that was present at the rally did their job. The detail that came up with the initial security plan, which didn't include someone on that nearby roof, are the ones whose methods are coming into question from both Democrat and Republican congresspeople.

If they were *really* trying to "kill Trump" they would have allowed the shooter to keep firing until he got him. Instead the counter-sniper shot him dead with his first shot.

"The Democrat party tried to kill Trump" is just as bad as the conspiracy theory that "there was no shooter (or there was and he was a MAGA martyr) and the Trump team faked it all." If they were trying to kill him, they really goofed when they shot the shooter dead.

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On 15 Jul 2024, Mike Powell said the following...

You have to be careful with those, though. Some of them were clearly filmed after the assassin had already been killed but are being passed
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I am fully suspicious of anything the DOJ/FBI/CIA have to say about anything. I think we'll never get the full truth from them anyway. Once we get a "NORMAL" government in we can explore any failures and hold some people accountable.

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On 15 Jul 2024, Mike Powell said the following...

Until they find evidence to the contrary, he is a lone gunman.

I think it was a setup... they won't be finding any evidence any time soon.

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The entity known as Mike Powell attempted to say -

From what I can see, from the news and social media, there are videos of
peope telling the authorities about a man on the roof with a gun.

You have to be careful with those, though. Some of them were clearly filmed
after the assassin had already been killed but are being passed off as before.

The entity known as Mike Powell is full of shit. But this is a free
country and the entity is welcome to post whatever nonsense it wants.

Others are a bunch of sound but the picture is not of anything but the ground.

The body on the top of the shed was the same body that was holding
an AR-15 style semiautomatic rifle that was used in an assassination
attempt. That is something the entity known as Mike Powell would
like folks to forget.

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The entity known as Mike Powell attempted to say -

Until they find evidence to the contrary, he is a lone gunman.

The body of the one and only gunman has been found and identified.
An investigation is being conducted as why the security was so bad.
Heads will roll.

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There is supposedly a large percentage of gun owners, who one could imagine believe in 2A rights, that are not even registered to vote. So they are not even casting ballots. There is at least one Trump
supporter in BBS land (who posts frequently on Dovenet) who recently bragged about not being registered to vote.

That's a good point, but are the Democrats really trying to take our guns?

I would not even count on people on your side to even cast ballots.

Definitely not. I'll be dragging a few by their ears.

The Secret Service that was present at the rally did their job. The detail that came up with the initial security plan, which didn't include someone on that nearby roof, are the ones whose methods are coming into question from both Democrat and Republican congresspeople.

I saw a video where the secret service didn't shoot at the suspect until he
was already firing at the president. How could that be correct procedure?

Then I saw another video where some other officers of some sort were
walking over by the building where the shooter was, and people were telling them that there was somebody on the roof, and the officers acted like they didn't care. Which police department or security company was that?

"The Democrat party tried to kill Trump" is just as bad as the conspiracy theory that "there was no shooter (or there was and he was a MAGA
martyr) and the Trump team faked it all." If they were trying to kill him, they really goofed when they shot the shooter dead.

They probably saw this nutty kid coming, and instead of stopping him, they gave him a chance to do the Democrats' dirty work.

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You have to be careful with those, though. Some of them were clearly filmed after the assassin had already been killed but are being passed off as before. Others are a bunch of sound but the picture is not of anything but the ground. --- SBBSecho 3.20-Linux

I am fully suspicious of anything the DOJ/FBI/CIA have to say about anything. >think we'll never get the full truth from them anyway. Once we get a "NORMAL" >government in we can explore any failures and hold some people accountable.

The ones I am talking about didn't come from the government. They came
from attendees who posted them on social media.

I'm okay to wait and see the evidence... I would prefer to see a congressional >hearing, it needs to be public.

Rand Paul and a Democrat are working towards this. So are others.


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Democrats in my state made some changes pertaining to who can buy a gun, but I didn't hear anyone complaining about it. I think we're mor riled up about other stuff.

Standard Elitist Play: Distract everyone to focus on Topic 1, while you quietly pass legislation on Topic 2 so no one will notice or complain.

The media doesn't provide much coverage of things that happen in the New York government. We woke up one day to discover that bail was reformed and that the jails were literally being emptied as a result. And we never saw it coming until it was too late. The state's legislature did it all while we were sleeping, in one night.

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More so than Republicans, supposedly. Chicago is a Democrat party stronghold and they have strict restrictions. I think your own home state is/was considering bans and restrictions.

Democrats in my state made some changes pertaining to who can buy a gun, but I
didn't hear anyone complaining about it. I think we're more riled up about other stuff.

Maybe some of the other stuff was a clever ruse to draw attention away from their anti-2A actions.

I saw that one. You cannot tell whether or not it was before or after the shooting. Since there are no shots being fired, I would assume it was after but who knows.

I will revisit this thread with a link to the video when I find it..
But I thought it showed the gunman alive and on top of the roof, followed by a
woman shouting to officers that there's "someone on the roof," (after we just saw him alive and on the roof.)

There have now been credible reports that local police were indeed aware,
but may not have contacted Secret Service quick enough. The local chief,
or union rep (I forget which), has been defending their actions.

IB Joe mentioned a rumor that the gunman was confronted on the roof by a local policeman. Although the report didn't mention "on the roof," it did say that
a LEO did confront the gunman and then retreated.

The report also said that the current head of the Secret Service was taking responsibility for what happened, but would not step down.

IIRC, that report was from channel 10 in Phoenix and can be found on youtube.

There were definately some breakdowns in communication, and there were definately some breakdowns in the Secret Service's initial scouting of the site. IMHO, the counter-snipers did their job and killed the guy, and the
ones on the ground mostly did their job in securing the President. IMHO,
they should not have allowed him to stop and address the crowd between the podium and the vehicle, just in case there was another gunman, but I also
don't think they really could have stopped Trump from doing so.

If so many rallygoers saw a gunman beforehand, why weren't any of them yelling at Trump to get off stage? Or were they in on it, too?

In the video, it's just a lady who saw the guy on the roof, but this lady was close to the gunman and far away from the president.

There is something odd about that. It sounds like there were some people "wandering around" either just inside of, or just outside of, the security perimeter that were able to see the gunman. I wonder why they were allowed
to be there if they really were not a part of the rally?

If I were in charge of security I would want the area between the rally and
the edge of the perimeter to be empty as I believe it would make it easier
for security to keep track of who is doing what, but that is just me. I have *no idea* what the official protocol is in that regard.


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The media doesn't provide much coverage of things that happen in the New York >government. We woke up one day to discover that bail was reformed and that the >jails were literally being emptied as a result. And we never saw it coming >until it was too late. The state's legislature did it all while we were >sleeping, in one night.

Chances are that your state legislature has a website where you can keep
track of what bills are proposed, up for vote, etc. You local media will mention some of them during newscasts but other news, like about what Trump
has said or done today, etc., will push more boring stories about the legislature out of the news cycle.


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IB Joe mentioned a rumor that the gunman was confronted on the roof by a local policeman. Although the report didn't mention "on the roof," it
did say that a LEO did confront the gunman and then retreated.

The report also said that the current head of the Secret Service was taking responsibility for what happened, but would not step down.

So far, it looks like a mistake was made by local police (whoever those officers near the shooter are.) But the narrative coming from Washington is that "it's the head of the secret service's fault." Somebody is definitely creating a distraction here, but I can't tell who it is for sure.

In the video, it's just a lady who saw the guy on the roof, but this lad close to the gunman and far away from the president.

There is something odd about that. It sounds like there were some people "wandering around" either just inside of, or just outside of, the
security perimeter that were able to see the gunman. I wonder why they were allowed to be there if they really were not a part of the rally?

Yea obviously the people who were anywhere near the shooter were not people who were screened.

I'm not a security expert either, but I agree with you that unchecked spectators, 300 yards away or whatever, is a bad idea. They should stick with indoor rallies.

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until it was too late. The state's legislature did it all while we were >sleeping, in one night.

Chances are that your state legislature has a website where you can keep track of what bills are proposed, up for vote, etc. You local media will mention some of them during newscasts but other news, like about what Trump has said or done today, etc., will push more boring stories about the legislature out of the news cycle.

There is, but I never bothered reading (for example) the state senate's website until after all the chaos began. But even if that information was available, people are still right to be angry. We're sheeple; we rely on the media to tell us everything. They didn't tell us that "Today there's a slight chance of rain, and tomorrow morning the jails will be empty."

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

Standard Elitist Play: Distract everyone to focus on Topic 1, while you quietly pass legislation on Topic 2 so no one will notice or complain.

The media doesn't provide much coverage of things that happen in the
New York government. We woke up one day to discover that bail was
reformed and that the jails were literally being emptied as a result.
And we never saw it coming until it was too late. The state's
legislature did it all while we were sleeping, in one night.

And not in an election year. All on purpose.


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The report also said that the current head of the Secret Service was taking responsibility for what happened, but would not step down.

So far, it looks like a mistake was made by local police (whoever those officers near the shooter are.) But the narrative coming from Washington is that "it's the head of the secret service's fault." Somebody is definitely creating a distraction here, but I can't tell who it is for sure.

It is now out that the Secret Service knew about the shooter and his whereabouts (but maybe didn't see a gun) for ~20 minutes prior to when he
took his shots.

I believe that seems like too long a time. However, I also believe that if Crooks had turned out to be a Trump supporter who was only trying to get a better view, and the Secret Service shot him dead without seeing a gun,
there'd be people arguing here, the internet, and everywhere that the Secret Service did something horrible and "murdered a Trump supporter."

15 or more years ago, I don't think that'd been much of an issue... people
had more sense back then... but it damn sure is now.

One other thing we *don't* know... if the Secret Service knew of a possible threat and told Trump's team about it, which they could have (they
certainly had *time* to), who is to say that it was not the Trump Team's decision to bring Trump out anyway.

Yea obviously the people who were anywhere near the shooter were not people wh
were screened.

I'm not a security expert either, but I agree with you that unchecked spectators, 300 yards away or whatever, is a bad idea. They should stick with indoor rallies.

They could have just been hot and looking for shade but I believe someone should have been there to herd them back into the rally area, or out of
the area, whichever the appropriate case.


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