Which is more your favorite version? I like KDE because it reminds me a lot of Windows. So my choice would be Kubuntu. What’s yours?
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Re: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu?
By: The Millionaire to All on Fri Sep 27 2019 10:05 am

Which is more your favorite version? I like KDE because it reminds me a lot of Windows. So my choice would be Kubuntu. What’s yours?

I love the smell of distro wars in the morning.

Honestly, the least an environment reminds me of Windows, the better.

I am currently using DWM or Fluxbox nearly everywhere so my answer to Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu is I don't care much.
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Which is more your favorite version? I like KDE because it reminds me a lot of Windows. So my choice would be Kubuntu. What’s yours?

You just don't get it, do you.

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Re: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu?
By: The Millionaire to All on Fri Sep 27 2019 10:05 am

Which is more your favorite version? I like KDE because it reminds me a lot of Windows. So my choice would be Kubuntu. What's yours?

I remember reading that the KDE project started out as being something similar to Windows, to make it easier for Windows users to switch to Linux. That may have been true at the time, but I think other GUI environments for Linux these days are also fairly easy for Windows users.

I haven't used KDE in a while, but my favorite Linux distribution these days is
probably Linux Mint with the Cinnamon interface. I think it looks nice and works well. Ubuntu isn't bad either, but I don't like its default GUI as much. Cinnamon can be installed on Ubuntu, so that would work for me too.

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The Millionaire wrote to All <=-

Which is more your favorite version?

You ask that like those are the only two Linux options available.
I dislike them both quite a bit, but probably hate Kubuntu more
because it implies "KDE"...

I like KDE because it reminds me a lot of Windows. So my
choice would be Kubuntu.

LOL.... yep. That's exactly why I hate KDE. Well, that and the
bloat that comes with it.

What's yours?

My daily driver laptop, my BBS machine, and my home server are all
running on Slackware, with the XFCE desktop environment (if using
a GUI). I have various other machines running various other
distros, just for testing/experimenting/fun. One of my current
favorites is "MX Linux" which is a Debian-variant and does NOT use
the systemd init system. I have even gotten my wife to start
using Linux Mint on her laptop, although she still keeps a Win7
machine also for doing weird things with iTunes/iPhones.

I do have a work laptop provided by my employer which runs Windows
10 to do various work-required things. I despise it greatly.

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Which is more your favorite version? I like KDE because it reminds me a lot of
Windows. So my choice would be Kubuntu. Whatâ Ös yours?

I usually run slackware and debian at times. I use the xfce desktop these days.
I liked kde in the 3.* times.

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On 27 Sep 2019, The Millionaire said the following...

Which is more your favorite version? I like KDE because it reminds me a lot of Windows. So my choice would be Kubuntu. What’s yours?

I don't see any relevance here.

Elightenment, Plasma, GNOME, Xfce, Cinnamon, Mate, just to name a few of the more prominent ones are not tied to any particular distro. Pick the distro
you like and then pick the desktop you want to run at the moment on that distro.

The only one of the above that tends to break things is GNOME which increasingly becomes intertwined with any distro that bases its init on SystemD, and although there's little to be done about it, SystemD sucks in as many ways as it doesn't.

If you are using a distro that is dependent upon a particular desktop or windoww manager I would suggest that perhaps you are painting yourself into a corner.

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On 27 Sep 2019 at 03:47p, tallship pondered and said...

On 27 Sep 2019, The Millionaire said the following...

Which is more your favorite version? I like KDE because it reminds me lot of Windows. So my choice would be Kubuntu. What’s yours?

I don't see any relevance here.

You may want to review some past posts made my the original poster and a my recent and earlier posts to them :)

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On 27 Sep 2019, Gamgee said the following...

The Millionaire wrote to All <=-

Which is more your favorite version?

You ask that like those are the only two Linux options available.
I dislike them both quite a bit, but probably hate Kubuntu more

My daily driver laptop, my BBS machine, and my home server are all running on Slackware, with the XFCE desktop environment (if using

All Hail the great Bob Dobbs and the Church of the Subgenius! If you're gonna run a Gui it's really hard to beat Slackware w/Xfce! I prefer Slackware -current for most of my production servers, and have been a Slackware zealot since 93.

I still like to chide people with "Oh yea, SuSE, the German fork of Slackware!

... Windows 3.1 - From the people who brought you EDLIN.

Here's one for ya: https://bit.ly/2mu5AQz :P

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All Hail the great Bob Dobbs and the Church of the Subgenius!

You're not talking about this guy, are ya!

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The holy visage of "Bob" Dobbs is copyright 1990, and probably other years as well - MAYBE EVEN YEARS YOU WON'T FIND IN YOUR PINK CALENDAR!
- by the Church of the SubGenius. Fnord.

(Note that the face of J.R. ``Bob'' Dobbs is a registered trademark of the Church of the SubGenius. Fnord.)

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For my Raspberry PI, I use Kubuntu
For Intel processors, I like Ubuntu 14...

I've used command line systems for so long, and probably because of my age, I just like having a good GUI there so my brain isn't melting anymore...

But for me, whatever someone likes ... GUI or Command Prompt... It's their choice. I've used DOS and command like for all sorts of systems, I find it harder as I get older to remember commands etc... So I tend to go for a good GUI to help me do things...

So... My "Opinion" is ... To Each Their Own....

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On 27 Sep 2019, Arelor said the following...

I love the smell of distro wars in the morning.

I think the last one on here was in January/Feburary timeframe. I actually started that one by asking people's opinions on distros... :)

Honestly, the least an environment reminds me of Windows, the better.

There are so many that are trying to emulate Windoze now...

I am currently using DWM or Fluxbox nearly everywhere so my answer to Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu is I don't care much.

Until earlier this yeat, I was running Ubuntu with Gnome. I didn't like how bloated it was getting, so I changed over to Debian with Mate. It's not too
bad once you get used to it.

I used Fluxbox for awhile. It was actually very easy to use, and had some
nice features.


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On 09-27-19 17:12, garycrunk wrote to All <=-

So... My "Opinion" is ... To Each Their Own....

That's my view too. I'm not too fussed about what GUI I use, provided I can make sense of it. I've used Mint with Cinnamon and Lubuntu with its default interface these days. Also used various GNOME and KDE interfaces over the years. Each has its strengths and weaknesses.

I still like the command line, but a GUI definitely has its uses, especially for desktop use.

The beauty of Linux is there's so much choice, there's something for just about everyone. :)


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tallship wrote to Gamgee <=-

> -=> The Millionaire wrote to All <=-

> TM> Which is more your favorite version?

You ask that like those are the only two Linux options available.
I dislike them both quite a bit, but probably hate Kubuntu more

My daily driver laptop, my BBS machine, and my home server are all
running on Slackware, with the XFCE desktop environment (if using

All Hail the great Bob Dobbs and the Church of the Subgenius! If
you're gonna run a Gui it's really hard to beat Slackware w/Xfce!
I prefer Slackware -current for most of my production servers,
and have been a Slackware zealot since 93.

Indeed! Nice to see another Slacker in the crowd. I have been
thinking hard about moving to -current... getting a little tired
of the wait for 15.0...

I've only been with it regularly since '02. Started with Linux
around 1998, learned some things with Slack, and also used RedHat
and Mandrake for a while before settling in with Slackware. Have
played with a lot of others since then but found no reason to
switch, and probably never will.

I still like to chide people with "Oh yea, SuSE, the German fork
of Slackware!

Heh, yeah. I never did like SuSE, just something about it seemed
strange and awkward.

... Windows 3.1 - From the people who brought you EDLIN.

Here's one for ya: https://bit.ly/2mu5AQz :P

Holy crap! I take it that's your project? Interesting, I'll try
to find time to check it out!


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On 27 Sep 2019, Arelor said the following...

I love the smell of distro wars in the morning.

I think we all do. Smells like Napalm. :D

Honestly, the least an environment reminds me of Windows, the better.

I personally prefer something that feels like Windows but is still its' own distinct thing. Linux Mint on Cinnamon feels like that, but I don't mind something a little more out there like what Haiku (I know, it's based on
BeOS, but still) has to offer.

There are so many that are trying to emulate Windoze now...

I guess it's because a lot of distros are trying to appeal to Windows users
who are dissatisfied with how MicroShaft are treating them. I don't blame
them, honestly. The fact that Windows 10 is so bogged down with non-OEM bloatware from word go, bewilders me. Some guys have reported that they had World of War Ships, a 2+GB Game installed on their machines, along with that damn puzzle game I see everyone's mothers raving about, forgot the name of
it. If you try to remove it, it just comes back. You have to use something
like Blackbird to remove that crap and disable the off-limits spying
features, and even then, when I installed Blackbird this time around, just because the spyware is so entertwined with the OS, It wouldn't let me install my printer!

If it weren't for the fact some of my hardware and software refuse to work on Linux, even with WINE, I would forgo dualbooting and just use Linux Mint all day, every day. Like I said before, my kingdom for Linux being at the top of the totem pole.

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On 27 Sep 2019, Gamgee said the following...

tallship wrote to Gamgee <=-

I've only been with it regularly since '02. Started with Linux
around 1998, learned some things with Slack, and also used RedHat
and Mandrake for a while before settling in with Slackware. Have
played with a lot of others since then but found no reason to
switch, and probably never will.

Mandrake. I really enjoyed Mandrake Linux. They went the way of Bankruptcy I believe right round the time the dotcom bubble popped in the Redhat 5.2 days. That's kind of how I remember it. I never really too a good look at Mandriva, but did work for a while with the Mageia folks bringing that distro to its first release.

It was kind of like a Redhat workstation. Good mix of desktop apps and availability of RPMs.

That's also right around the time that Redhat dropped their support
for Redneck language in their installer :)

... Windows 3.1 - From the people who brought you EDLIN.

Here's one for ya: https://bit.ly/2mu5AQz :P

Holy crap! I take it that's your project? Interesting, I'll try
to find time to check it out!

No that's someone I know from the Fediverse, I mirror it though because it's
so kewl and an amusing retro oddity. It's an easy install and kind of funf to revisit before running back to Vim.

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Mandrake. I really enjoyed Mandrake Linux.

I did to, I was a subscriber in 99 or so.

They went the way of Bankruptcy I believe right round the time the dotcom bubble popped in the Redhat 5.2 days.

I don't remember Mandrake going bankrupt. They merged with Conectiva Linux for reasons I don't know and created Mandriva. Some legal reasons around the name Mandrake I think.

I dropped Mandrake then and moved to Debian because I didn't want to run an OS called Mandriva. A good reason to change OSs, right? ;)

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On 28 Sep 2019, Al said the following...

I don't remember Mandrake going bankrupt. They merged with Conectiva
Linux for reasons I don't know and created Mandriva. Some legal reasons around the name Mandrake I think.

Yes that was probably it. I kept thinking that there was some kind of ifringement on the mascot looking like Marmaduke lolz.

I dropped Mandrake then and moved to Debian because I didn't want to run an OS called Mandriva. A good reason to change OSs, right? ;)

There was something about the name that I just didn't want to even bother looking, but I can't remember now. So now I know what happened to Conectiva.

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Re: Re: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu?
By: Gamgee to The Millionaire on Fri Sep 27 2019 03:05 pm

My daily driver laptop, my BBS machine, and my home server are all
running on Slackware, with the XFCE desktop environment (if using
a GUI).

Interesting.

I have an office in which every computer runs Slackware + KDE. I went with KDE because users have less of an issue if the desktop looks flashy. I don't like KDE myself but on the other hand some of their applications are quite good.

The computer my boss runs in his private office is Slackware + XFCE because he likes things that work without raping your RAM.
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tallship wrote to Gamgee <=-

I've only been with it regularly since '02. Started with Linux
around 1998, learned some things with Slack, and also used RedHat
and Mandrake for a while before settling in with Slackware. Have
played with a lot of others since then but found no reason to
switch, and probably never will.

Mandrake. I really enjoyed Mandrake Linux. They went the way of
Bankruptcy I believe right round the time the dotcom bubble
popped in the Redhat 5.2 days. That's kind of how I remember it.
I never really too a good look at Mandriva, but did work for a
while with the Mageia folks bringing that distro to its first
release.
It was kind of like a Redhat workstation. Good mix of desktop
apps and availability of RPMs.

Yep, I really liked Mandrake a lot. They had excellent GUI tools
included to make configuring much easier for a newbie, and yet of
course it had all the power of Linux under the hood. I used it
steadily for a couple of years. Eventually some other company was
bothering them about a trademark issue with "Mandrake", some kind
of a cartoon magician as I recall. So they merged with Connectiva
to become Mandriva, and that was the beginning of the end. The
name itself turned a lot of people off I think. That's when I
made the switch to Slackware for good. And yes, it had a lot of
similarities to Redhat.


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Re: Re: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu?
By: Black Panther to Arelor on Fri Sep 27 2019 06:25 pm

Until earlier this yeat, I was running Ubuntu with Gnome. I didn't like how bloated it was getting, so I changed over to Debian with Mate. It's not too bad once you get used to it.

You know, when I got started I used Gnome 2.xx, which was well implemented in Debian back then. When Gnome 3 was introduced I decided I wanted to look into other options.

I started playing with LXDE. It is quite nice if you want a fast DE, but the filemanager Debian shipped had a known, SOLVED bug that caused me massive data
loss. Good luck I had a backup. I actually left Debian for that issue alone.

I looked into Mate but I was unhsure of the capability of the desktop to survive the early years. I suppose that fear is no more.
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Re: Re: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu?
By: Nodoka Hanamura to Black Panther on Sat Sep 28 2019 02:42 am

If it weren't for the fact some of my hardware and software refuse to work on Linux, even with WINE, I would forgo dualbooting and just use Linux Mint all day, every day. Like I said before, my kingdom for Linux being at the top of the totem pole.

I am so sorry for you :-(

I have no Windows running in any of my machines. It is all Linux and OpenBSD here. Only exception is a KVM container with Windows I use to interact with government sites that require Internet Explorer.

Desktop Environments that catter to Windows refugee have a place, but they are just not for me.

Funz!
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Arelor wrote to Gamgee <=-

My daily driver laptop, my BBS machine, and my home server are all
running on Slackware, with the XFCE desktop environment (if using
a GUI).

Interesting.

I have an office in which every computer runs Slackware + KDE. I
went with KDE because users have less of an issue if the desktop
looks flashy. I don't like KDE myself but on the other hand some
of their applications are quite good.

Very nice. I don't like KDE at all either, but I do usually
install it on a desktop/laptop machine just to have a couple of
it's apps. Notably I use K3b for burning optical disks.

The computer my boss runs in his private office is Slackware +
XFCE because he likes things that work without raping your RAM.

Yes, Xfce is lighter than KDE/Gnome, I'd call it a "middleweight".
Some of the very light ones like Fluxbox, windowmaker, TVM are a
little *too* thin for my liking. I think one of the reasons I
also like Xfce is that it looks a lot like Gnome used to (I guess
it's the GTK framework?). I always used Gnome back when it was
still included in Slack, and then switched to Xfce when it was
removed. Lots of choices!



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Re: Re: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu?
By: tallship to Al on Sat Sep 28 2019 04:38 am

I don't remember Mandrake going bankrupt. They merged with Conectiva Linux for reasons I don't know and created Mandriva. Some legal reasons around the name Mandrake I think.

Yes that was probably it. I kept thinking that there was some kind of ifringement on the mascot looking like Marmaduke lolz.

I think the problem is that the game conflicted with Mandrake The Wizzard, which was a comic book character, I think.
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Which is more your favorite version? I like KDE because it reminds me a lot o

f

Windows. So my choice would be Kubuntu. Whatâ Ös yours?

I usually run slackware and debian at times. I use the xfce desktop
these days.
I liked kde in the 3.* times.

I'm a Fedora man with Gnome. It just works and it isn't Windows.

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I usually run slackware and debian at times. I use the xfce desktop
these days.
I liked kde in the 3.* times.

I'm a Fedora man with Gnome. It just works and it isn't Windows.

I've taken Fedora out for a look before. I liked it but it just didn't stick for some reason.

When I first started using linux I used Gnome and KDE and I liked them both. Then Gnome made sweeping changes to the interface that I didn't care for so I dropped it. A short time later the same thing happened with KDE so I dropped it. I didn't have a favorite desktop for a while so I tried them all and after a while I settled on xfce. I've been happy with it ever since.

I like openbox too and think it works wonderfully.. I just like the xfce interface. I hope they don't have any big changes in mind!

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On 28 Sep 2019, Arelor said the following...

I have no Windows running in any of my machines. It is all Linux and OpenBSD here. Only exception is a KVM container with Windows I use to interact with government sites that require Internet Explorer.

That's only part of the story isn't it? Most of those sites require a *crippled* version (security-wise, many things are disabled) or an older, specific version of IE. At least that's what Ive had to deal with where
certain medical corporations required access to some of these government databases.

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For my Raspberry PI, I use Kubuntu

Umm, there's Kubuntu for the Pi?

I'm aware of Lubuntu, Ubuntu MATE, Ubuntu server and Xubuntu. And over at raspberrypi.org they have MATE, Ubuntu Core and Ubuntu Server. A quick google didn't turn up anything for me, either.

Are you sure?

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Honestly, the least an environment reminds me of Windows, the be

I personally prefer something that feels like Windows but is still its'

While I'm on board with the sentiment, what does "reminds me of Windows" look like? Pretty much every environment has a Start button-equivalent with menus,
a desktop, something akin to a taskbar, a system tray, etc.

I've been on Mint KDE for many years now; I'm not the tinkerer I used to be,
so I guess I'm just settled into what works for me. 'Course now that Mint is dropping KDE, some day I'll have to hop distros one more time.

I guess it's because a lot of distros are trying to appeal to Windows users

Are they still? Wasn't that fifteen years ago when Linux was going to take
over the desktop Any Minute Now (TM)? These days, who still pays attention to the desktop market?

The fact that Windows 10 is so bogged down
with non-OEM bloatware

Sounds awful. I do have a Windows 7 VM, but have no interest in 8 or 10.

If it weren't for the fact some of my hardware and software refuse to
work on Linux

I've so lost interest in Windows in the last 15 years, if there were
something that required Windows, I simply wouldn't run it; no loss to me. Of course, my needs these days are simple enough that that rarely happens.

There's only one exception to the above: Family Tree Maker. Genealogy has
been a passion since my teens, and FTM is the only reason I keep the Win7 VM around.

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A good reason to change OSs, right? ;)

Dunno 'bout OSes, but it's the reason I run the older OpenOffice code, rather than LibreOffice. That name just bugs the h*ll outta me for some reason.

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Yep, I really liked Mandrake a lot. They had excellent GUI tools

Mandrake was one of my early distros. While I remember liking it, I actually don't remember much about it any more.

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Re: Re: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu?
By: tallship to Arelor on Sat Sep 28 2019 05:42 pm

That's only part of the story isn't it? Most of those sites require a

*crippled* version (security-wise, many things are disabled) or an older, specific version of

IE.
At least that's what Ive had to deal with where
certain medical corporations required access to some of these government

databases.

I have yet to have problems with specific versions of IE.

What I hate is the fact that my digital life wears a tin-foil hat, I run most of it in
containers, firejails, whatever, with full disk encryption everywhere...


... then the social security mofos want me to use Internet Explorer
... then the bank my firm has accouns with wants me to handle critical auth credentials
in an unpatched Android piece of garbage.

It is pathetic.
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Re: Re: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu?
By: nathanael to Nodoka Hanamura on Sun Sep 29 2019 10:31 pm

While I'm on board with the sentiment, what does "reminds me of Windows"

look like? Pretty much every environment has a Start button-equivalent with menus,

a desktop, something akin to a taskbar, a system tray, etc.

Funny you say that. Dwm user here.

Also fluxbox with no desktop icons in many personal workstations.

You know, now you have mentioned, it turns the only Windowesque environments I am
installing are for other people to use
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On 28 Sep 2019, Al said the following...

so I tried them all and after a while I settled on xfce. I've been happy with it ever since.

I like openbox too and think it works wonderfully.. I just like the xfce interface. I hope they don't have any big changes in mind!

Agree with you and others, I too bounce from desktop to desktop and keep
going back to xfce. There is just something with it that feel more
comfortable. Being they just release 4.14 one can hope no big changes for a while!

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You wanted to live dangerously if you used any of those.

DOS machines were incredibly easy to back up. Any danger would have
been self-inflicted.

I don't know anyone that was able to back much up. I was lucky to have a 40Mb colorado tape drive so I could back stuff up until 40Mb became to small, and then I couldn't save file areas, just the BBS.

If you tried to backup >80Mb as always you need 80Mb or more to put it in. Drive space was too expensive for that.

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I actually loved those Colorado drives and the software that came
with them. Full was always better, but they supported incremental
and differential b/u's too IIRC.

Early versions had a bug in the incremental and multi-tape functions, you couldn't restore from it. But I was never comfortable with incremental backup.
I preferred a monolithic snapshot.

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OK, you're talking special case -- running a BBS. Most people didn't
have nearly that much data.

I s'pose you're right. I don't tend to think of myself as special :) But I guess for the time we were the power users. Although if you decompressed most of that data, a user would've had a pretty hefty data quantity too. But BBS users were the minority as well.

Towards the end of the tape drives life I had some 12 or so tapes to back everything up. It got to taking most of a day to manage a monolithic backup so they didn't happen as often. After that it did duty as a file area for a while,
and in the end it failed, lost one of the sensors and would run the
tape off the spool.

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