• Last weekend

    From Avon@21:1/101 to All on Tuesday, October 22, 2019 12:38:00
    Hi all.

    Well it's been a busy time here. I had family visiting from the North Island
    so have been less active in BBSing while we entertained them and had a nice time catching up.

    There's been a few new names asking for node numbers in fsxNet so am working with HUB ops to get them set up and added to the nodelist along with helping others last night get connected etc. When you do a bit of that before you
    know it the evening has gone and with it any further spare time! :)

    Tonight I have some more nodelist stuff to work on and I am hopefull I might finally fire up my Linux box again after some time away from it to see if I
    can remember anything I have thus far learned - ha!

    It's lunchtime Tuesday as I type this. If I am good I'll go for a walk soon.

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  • From apam@21:1/126 to Avon on Tuesday, October 22, 2019 09:50:22
    Well it's been a busy time here. I had family visiting from the North Island so have been less active in BBSing while we entertained them
    and had a nice time catching up.

    Sounds good! I've been busy working on Magicka, with a few new features
    to show for it.

    There's been a few new names asking for node numbers in fsxNet so am working with HUB ops to get them set up and added to the nodelist
    along with helping others last night get connected etc. When you do a
    bit of that before you know it the evening has gone and with it any
    further spare time! :)

    Ooh new people eh! Fresh victims for my ever-growing army of the undead.

    Tonight I have some more nodelist stuff to work on and I am hopefull
    I might finally fire up my Linux box again after some time away from
    it to see if I can remember anything I have thus far learned - ha!

    I'm sure it'll come back to you. If not, I'm sure there's plenty of
    people here who would be happy to help out. (And would be a nice fresh
    break from ongoing political debates)

    It's lunchtime Tuesday as I type this. If I am good I'll go for a
    walk soon.

    You're at work? You boss lets you go for walks if you're good?? I'm a bit confused.

    Andrew

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to apam on Monday, October 21, 2019 17:04:46
    Re: RE: Last weekend
    By: apam to Avon on Tue Oct 22 2019 09:50 am

    It's lunchtime Tuesday as I type this. If I am good I'll go for a
    walk soon.

    You're at work? You boss lets you go for walks if you're good?? I'm a bit confused.

    Many people have about an hour for lunch, and there are some people I know who choose to take some of that time to go walk around their workplace building to get some fresh air/exercise etc.. Some workplaces also have a gym on site.

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  • From apam@21:1/126 to Nightfox on Tuesday, October 22, 2019 10:24:10
    Re: RE: Last weekend
    By: apam to Avon on Tue Oct 22 2019 09:50 am

    It's lunchtime Tuesday as I type this. If I am good I'll go for a
    walk soon.

    You're at work? You boss lets you go for walks if you're good?? I confused.

    Many people have about an hour for lunch, and there are some people I
    know who choose to take some of that time to go walk around their
    workplace building to get some fresh air/exercise etc.. Some
    workplaces also have a gym on site.

    Yeah I get that bit, I was confused with the "If I am good" part. Can you imagine Avon being naughty at work? and his boss saying no walk for you!

    Perhaps he just meant if he has time left.

    Andrew

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Nightfox on Tuesday, October 22, 2019 06:24:00
    Nightfox wrote to apam <=-

    Many people have about an hour for lunch, and there are some people I
    know who choose to take some of that time to go walk around their workplace building to get some fresh air/exercise etc.. Some
    workplaces also have a gym on site.

    After staring at a screen all morning, I need to get out and walk in the sunlight. I usually find a place a 15 minute walk from my office for lunch,
    or bring a lunch and take 30 minutes for lunch and 30 for a walk.


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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to apam on Wednesday, October 23, 2019 09:58:58
    On 22 Oct 2019 at 09:50a, apam pondered and said...

    Tonight I have some more nodelist stuff to work on and I am hopefull
    I might finally fire up my Linux box again after some time away from it to see if I can remember anything I have thus far learned - ha!

    I'm sure it'll come back to you. If not, I'm sure there's plenty of
    people here who would be happy to help out. (And would be a nice fresh break from ongoing political debates)

    Well the evening efforts feel through as I needed to do some other chores. Perhaps tonight :)

    It's lunchtime Tuesday as I type this. If I am good I'll go for a
    walk soon.

    You're at work? You boss lets you go for walks if you're good?? I'm a bit confused.

    If I am good to myself I will go out and get some exercise vs sitting at my desk all lunchtime :)

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  • From nathanael@21:4/123 to Avon on Wednesday, October 23, 2019 14:13:46
    If I am good I'll go for a walk soon.

    I've been very good here: haven't missed a day in four months. But this month has been extremely frustrating; for whatever reason, I've been stuck at the same weight now for more than three weeks despite averaging only 1250 cal/day. I'm about ready to say "Screw this!" and go have a pizza.

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to nathanael on Wednesday, October 23, 2019 20:22:06
    On 23 Oct 2019 at 02:13p, nathanael pondered and said...

    If I am good I'll go for a walk soon.

    I've been very good here: haven't missed a day in four months. But this month has been extremely frustrating; for whatever reason, I've been
    stuck at the same weight now for more than three weeks despite averaging only 1250 cal/day. I'm about ready to say "Screw this!" and go have a pizza.

    we'll your well ahead of me in terms of discipline and consistency so good on you for keeping at it. I've got I'd say about 5-10kg I would like to loose.
    To look at me you would not think I need too. I'm quite a tall and slim-ish
    guy but I can feel the weight and the fat on my belly.

    I think for me it's more about being good with my eating and snacking than it is about exercise. Although I am the first to admit that I have been less active this winter so now that spring and some warner temps are on the radar
    I hope to bike and walk more.

    Anywhoo that's a long winded way of saying keep up the good work. Your body
    and your lifespan will thank you for it :)

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  • From Spectre@21:3/106.10 to nathanael on Wednesday, October 23, 2019 18:27:00
    stuck at the same weight now for more than three weeks despite
    averaging only 1250 cal/day. I'm about ready to say "Screw this!"
    and go have a pizza.

    Go and have a pizza to get over the good news. You know thats completely normal? Plateauing is pretty common. Theres a confluence of factors that work against you as you lose weight. Long story short, you'll either have cut that calorie intake or increase that excercise more... or a bit of both.

    Pizza time is now over, I hope you enjoyed it. Don't give up!

    Spec


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  • From Al@21:4/106 to Spectre on Wednesday, October 23, 2019 02:16:28
    Hello Spectre,

    Look what I see.. :)

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    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Alterego@21:2/116 to Spectre on Wednesday, October 23, 2019 20:42:16
    Re: Last weekend
    By: Al to Spectre on Wed Oct 23 2019 02:16 am

    Look what I see.. :)
    @TZUTC: +1100

    Close - I dont think you have the "+". Only the minus if you are behind GMT.

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    when_imported 5DB01651 9258 Wed Oct 23 2019 07:58 pm AEDT
    ...лоег

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Nightfox on Wednesday, October 23, 2019 13:14:00
    On 10-21-19 17:04, Nightfox wrote to apam <=-

    Many people have about an hour for lunch, and there are some people I
    know who choose to take some of that time to go walk around their workplace building to get some fresh air/exercise etc.. Some
    workplaces also have a gym on site.

    I used to manage walks of around 5km in what was left of my lunch hour after eating. For those who know Melbourne, that was enough to get from the LaTrobe Street end of the CBD to the big roundabout on Elizabeth St near the Royal Melbourne Hospital or up to Elgin St Carlton, and then get back in time to resume work. :)


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  • From nathanael@21:4/123 to Avon on Friday, October 25, 2019 12:02:12
    stuck at the same weight now for more than three weeks despite averag

    And then the past two days the weight is dropping again. No idea why, but you know what they say about gift horses.

    I think for me it's more about being good with my eating and snacking

    Around these parts people often say you shouldn't eat after 7pm. Dunno if there's any truth to that health-wise, but for myself I sometimes find that just small incentives for self-discipline often plants a seed. So rather
    than saying, "No junk food!", "No junk food after 7pm" often works for me.

    YMMV, of course.

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  • From nathanael@21:4/123 to Spectre on Friday, October 25, 2019 12:19:52
    normal? Plateauing is pretty common. Theres a confluence of factors

    Yeah, I know. The lion's share of the frustration is not the plateauing, it's the not understanding why. My exercise and diet regimen lost me 9kg last
    month; why would I only lose 1.5kg this month?

    The last couple of days the weight's started dropping again; we'll see if it continues.

    either have cut that calorie intake or increase that excercise more...

    My average daily caloric deficit is 2500 (1300 intake, 3800 burn). Not much more I could cut from my intake, which leaves increasing the exercise I guess.

    Pizza time is now over, I hope you enjoyed it.

    :-)

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  • From Spectre@21:3/106.10 to nathanael on Friday, October 25, 2019 17:19:00
    plateauing, it's the not understanding why. My exercise and diet

    Your calorie burn is decreasing as you go along due to less weight carried, and
    improved fitness. So you have to work harder to burn the same number of calories. If your excercise seems pretty easy, you need to increase either the intensity, go at it harder, or increase the duration, go at it for longer.

    Spec


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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to nathanael on Friday, October 25, 2019 20:48:30
    On 25 Oct 2019 at 12:02p, nathanael pondered and said...

    stuck at the same weight now for more than three weeks despite a

    And then the past two days the weight is dropping again. No idea why,
    but you know what they say about gift horses.

    I think it's because the body hist certain plateaus and after some time then resets and adjusts again to a new normal.. I know my weight goes down, when I am not so good it seems to go back up to where it was when I started being good.

    Around these parts people often say you shouldn't eat after 7pm. Dunno if there's any truth to that health-wise, but for myself I sometimes find that just small incentives for self-discipline often plants a seed. So rather than saying, "No junk food!", "No junk food after 7pm" often
    works for me.

    YMMV, of course.

    Yeah I really have to watch that also... saying three square meals a day is easy to say but not so easy to stick to.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to nathanael on Friday, October 25, 2019 20:19:00
    On 10-25-19 12:19, nathanael wrote to Spectre <=-

    My average daily caloric deficit is 2500 (1300 intake, 3800 burn). Not much more I could cut from my intake, which leaves increasing the
    exercise I guess.

    On the nutrition side, it's possible sopmething's wrong with your calorie counting. Either your portion sizes are larger than you're estimating (very common mistake - fix is to use scales), or there's something wrong with the energy figures for the foods you're eating.

    It's also possible you're overestimating your calories burnt. 3800 does seem pretty high. That suggests a LOT of exercise - I think I'd be pushing to hit that on a Tuesday - the day I work a manual job then follow that with 2 training sessions! :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Spectre on Friday, October 25, 2019 20:25:00
    On 10-25-19 17:19, Spectre wrote to nathanael <=-

    plateauing, it's the not understanding why. My exercise and diet

    Your calorie burn is decreasing as you go along due to less weight carried, and
    improved fitness. So you have to work harder to burn the same number
    of calories. If your excercise seems pretty easy, you need to increase either the intensity, go at it harder, or increase the duration, go at
    it for longer.

    It depends on a number of factors. Sure, for most cardio exercises, this is true, but often increasing intensity happens naturally with increasing fitness, which increases calories consumed again.

    Other exercise like weight training will tend to increase calorie burn over time, because the weights are regularly increased as you get stronger, which means more energy is needed to lift the heavier weights. Also, the increased muscle mass burns more energy at rest.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Avon on Friday, October 25, 2019 20:28:00
    On 10-25-19 20:48, Avon wrote to nathanael <=-

    I think it's because the body hist certain plateaus and after some time then resets and adjusts again to a new normal.. I know my weight goes down, when I am not so good it seems to go back up to where it was when
    I started being good.

    Then you need to change things up, so the body has new challenges to adapt to. :)

    My weight tends to be very stable - it's been sitting arund 78-79 kg for a year or more, but my body composition has changed - more muscle, less fat. :)


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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to nathanael on Friday, October 25, 2019 10:07:34
    My average daily caloric deficit is 2500 (1300 intake, 3800 burn). Not much more I could cut from my intake, which leaves increasing the
    exercise I guess.

    With a consistent caloric deficit of 2500 calories, it seems like the only thing you should be increasing is your patience.

    (I mean, more exercise might be good, but, sheesh, a 2500 calorie deficit is a ton. A pound of fat is 3500 calories, so that rate is a bit over 260 pounds a year. Obviously, that 3800 burn would go way down eventually, but I'm just math'ing it up.)

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  • From Static@21:2/140 to nathanael on Friday, October 25, 2019 19:24:02
    On 25 Oct 2019, nathanael said the following...
    Yeah, I know. The lion's share of the frustration is not the plateauing, it's the not understanding why. My exercise and diet regimen lost me 9kg last month; why would I only lose 1.5kg this month?
    My average daily caloric deficit is 2500 (1300 intake, 3800 burn). Not

    Every gram of fat you burn provides around 9 calories of energy. So if you only lost 1.5KG then your average deficit had to be less than 500cal. If you've
    made any changes to your diet something you're eating now may be more caloric than advertised, or you may just not be going at exercise as hard as you were before. Especially if you're losing weight too fast you can trigger a survival response that slows your metabolism and sheds muscle mass, which makes
    exercise less effective.

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  • From Spectre@21:3/106.10 to Vk3jed on Saturday, October 26, 2019 10:26:00
    It depends on a number of factors. Sure, for most cardio exercises, this is true, but often increasing intensity happens naturally with
    increasing fitness, which increases calories consumed again.

    You obviously know very different humans to me ;) And the sporty side of you would support that. I have found human beings to be inherently lazy... and to enjoy the way something gets easier to do. So unless pushed or pointed out, the
    intensity doesn't change a great deal, especially if there's no particular target going before hand.

    Other exercise like weight training will tend to increase calorie burn over time, because the weights are regularly increased as you get stronger, which means more energy is needed to lift the heavier
    weights. Also, the increased muscle mass burns more energy at rest.

    I'd dispute this one, unless you're just trying to build more muscle mass and become mr universe. A lot of people just use the same weights forever. There 's
    a point where most are happy with whatever shape and size they may be, and will just maintain it, no increase or improve it. And for the majority of the population, this seems to be a fairly low threshold.

    I wouldn't have expected extra muscle mass to be burning much extra energy at rest unless you're sill building in which case it'll be part of the repair/build process. Don't have anything at all to back that one up with, although burning some amount I s'pose is reasonable.

    Spec


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  • From Spectre@21:3/106.10 to Vk3jed on Saturday, October 26, 2019 10:28:00
    Then you need to change things up, so the body has new challenges to adapt to. :)

    On this one we have consensus.. :)

    Spec


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  • From Static@21:2/140 to Spectre on Saturday, October 26, 2019 01:49:52
    On 26 Oct 2019, Spectre said the following...

    I wouldn't have expected extra muscle mass to be burning much extra
    energy at rest unless you're sill building in which case it'll be part
    of the repair/build process. Don't have anything at all to back that
    one up with, although burning some amount I s'pose is reasonable.

    It's something like 10cal/day per KG of muscle mass just keeping the tissue alive, which isn't much compared to what you burn through activity. All tissue has to burn energy to live. Even fat tissue, although it's far less than muscle.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Spectre on Sunday, October 27, 2019 07:40:00
    On 10-26-19 10:26, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    You obviously know very different humans to me ;) And the sporty side
    of you would support that. I have found human beings to be inherently lazy... and to enjoy the way something gets easier to do. So unless
    pushed or pointed out, the
    intensity doesn't change a great deal, especially if there's no particular target going before hand.

    You do have a good point there, and I've seen that as well. And you now see why I engage in competitiom - a rich source of targets to chase. :)

    I'd dispute this one, unless you're just trying to build more muscle
    mass and become mr universe. A lot of people just use the same weights forever. There 's
    a point where most are happy with whatever shape and size they may be, and will just maintain it, no increase or improve it. And for the majority of the population, this seems to be a fairly low threshold.

    Again, good point. :) I'm used to people with goals. However, not everyone who does weights wants to be huge. I'm a prime example. My goal is to gat strength with as little weight gain as possible, because I need a very high power to weight ratio. :)

    I wouldn't have expected extra muscle mass to be burning much extra
    energy at rest unless you're sill building in which case it'll be part
    of the repair/build process. Don't have anything at all to back that
    one up with, although burning some amount I s'pose is reasonable.

    That has been proven scientifically. I can't recall the exact figures, but muscle cells do burn much more than fat cells at rest.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Spectre on Sunday, October 27, 2019 07:41:00
    On 10-26-19 10:28, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Then you need to change things up, so the body has new challenges to adapt to. :)

    On this one we have consensus.. :)

    :-)



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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Static on Sunday, October 27, 2019 08:17:00
    On 10-26-19 01:49, Static wrote to Spectre <=-

    On 26 Oct 2019, Spectre said the following...

    It's something like 10cal/day per KG of muscle mass just keeping the tissue alive, which isn't much compared to what you burn through
    activity. All tissue has to burn energy to live. Even fat tissue,
    although it's far less than muscle.

    Still adds up if you have a bit of muscle mass. Not huge, but every bit helps.
    Of course, energy burnt during and after exercise is much more significant.


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  • From Spectre@21:3/106.10 to nathanael on Sunday, October 27, 2019 12:22:00
    I just recalled something, I discovered long ago. If you have a belt of caffeine about 30 mins before excercise (not being a coffee drinker I had to have a cup o' black tea) it's meant to have some effect of freeing fatty lipids
    into the blood stream. Where they're more likely to be used once you start doing the work. I can't lay hand to the book at the moment...just had a thought maybe I can, no not where I thought it might be. Sports Physiology by someone. Its pretty long in the tooth, although it was a uni text book in its day.

    It might be a placebo effect on me, but I found it seemed to work for aerobic excercise. Not that I ever lost any weight, I always increased my food intake while riding. Anyway, something easy that might help..

    Spec


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  • From Spectre@21:3/106.10 to nathanael on Friday, October 25, 2019 17:19:00
    plateauing, it's the not understanding why. My exercise and diet

    Your calorie burn is decreasing as you go along due to less weight carried, and
    improved fitness. So you have to work harder to burn the same number of calories. If your excercise seems pretty easy, you need to increase either the intensity, go at it harder, or increase the duration, go at it for longer.

    Spec


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