On 10-20-19 11:54, Adept wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

Though I did find that "LesbianLinux" exists (or at least existed).
Though with things like "porn-get" in place of "apt-get", I have the sneaking suspicion that it was made by a straight guy.

Urk, I think your suspicions are correct. :/


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On 10-20-19 11:59, Adept wrote to Nightfox <=-

Now, if they'd bother to ask questions about copyright and patent laws,
I could get some important information that candidates have never
talked about before.

Given the US's dominance and influence in these areas, those questions (in the context of a US presidential debate) would be of global interest too.


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Re: Re: pfBlockerNG
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Sat Oct 19 2019 08:48 am

Richard Stallman didn't work in Marketing for a reason, but somehow he drove the whole GNU/Linux thing. I suppose it was out of spite, as the GNU components make up the majority of the user experience in a typical Linux (not going to say it!) install.

I don't know if it was out of spite or out of wanting a share of recognizion he
thought GNU deserved. I also don't know if GNU components make the majority of
the user experience in a certain install because I don't know how to messure such a thing.

Most programs I have on screen right now are supported by GNU code but are not GNU code themselves. It gets even more fuzzy if you use a distribution that was
compiled using the GNU C Compiler but then does not depend on traditional coreutils at all. Sure some GNU code is essential for many other programs running, but then these same programs might rely on nonGNU libraries and utilities and we don't name the Operating System on these other libraries and utilities.
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Re: Re: pfBlockerNG
By: ryan to Arelor on Sat Oct 19 2019 09:21 am

I can't say I'm a big fan of reducing human identity to how we categorize an operating system.

That sentence is syntactically correct and very pretty, but ultimately devoid of any meaning.

If you are not a fan of using industrial naming conventions for defining a political movement, then you should not use industrial naming conventions for defining a political movement. Naming something by its components is how you manage industrial products. "Steel 440C Knee ROM Support Black Polymer" is how you label a product, not people.
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Given the US's dominance and influence in these areas, those questions
(in the context of a US presidential debate) would be of global interest too.

It's odd -- Beto O'Rourke is my favored candidate in the Democratic primaries entirely because he belonged to the Cult of the Dead Cow back in the '90s.

That's literally the closest anyone has gotten to talking about the issues -- where I make various assumptions about his viewpoints because of his associations 20 years ago.

And the thing is, Biden literally got an award for being beloved by the MPAA/RIAA for all that he did for them as a senator.

So, unlike most of the issues that get talked about, there's likely real disagreement.

And the same issues back with the 2016 Republican primary.

At least in Europe the Pirate Party has managed to talk about things occasionally, and somehow win a seat or two in Sweden and Germany, if only
for a little while.

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There are a lot of people who still think there's just male & female and only go by what body parts you have.

Sadly true.

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Well, that's the whole thing. We've operated under the assumption that gender is binary so long, and that a gender is determined by your

I've always operated under the assumption that sex is binary (pretty sure it still is), and gender is a linguistic category. *shrug*

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40 days and 40 nights...simply because people believe something doesn't make it right.

True. Being right makes it right. Last I checked, sexual dimorphism was built into the human species.

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I've always operated under the assumption that sex is binary (pretty
sure it still is), and gender is a linguistic category. *shrug*

Nah, sex is a spectrum and a linguistic category, too.

Sure, individual gametes are pretty binary, and most individuals are fairly binary.

But then there are intersex and other issues. Is an infertile person
"neither"? What if they have both ovarian and testicular tissue? What if one
or the other (or both) of those were removed at some point? What about after menopause?

And how do you classify a penis? What if the person is xy, has a vagina and internal testes? What if they don't produce functional gametes? What
if it's impossible for those gametes to get out without medical magic?

As far as linguistics go, when people talk about the "sex" of a child,
they're not generally talking about testing of gametes or gonads -- they're talking about presence or absence of a penis. And even when it's somewhere in the middle, they wind up rounding one direction or the other (or, in some terrible cases, creating a trans child because they assumed that gender/brain sex didn't exist and thus you may as well raise a male child with a destroyed penis as a girl.)

That said, I guess I kinda revel in complexity and enjoying the fact that simple explanations are things that work almost all of the time, and are
almost completely wrong when you get to the squishy parts.

It's like Newtonian physics. Pretty darn useful, but man does it give really wrong answers in the really big/really fast/really small bits. But people tend not to make reductive arguments about relativistic physics because of how
right they think Newtonian physics are.

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Re: Re: pfBlockerNG
By: Joacim Melin to Arelor on Sun Oct 20 2019 04:17 pm

It's Linux. Stallman can hack together his own kernel and stop whining.

:)

Actually, GNU tried. It is called Hurd and so far it is a failure as a working product.
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On 10-20-19 18:30, Adept wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Given the US's dominance and influence in these areas, those questions
(in the context of a US presidential debate) would be of global interest too.

It's odd -- Beto O'Rourke is my favored candidate in the Democratic primaries entirely because he belonged to the Cult of the Dead Cow back
in the '90s.

Ahh, I remember CDC back then, and programs like Back Orifice. :)

And the thing is, Biden literally got an award for being beloved by the MPAA/RIAA for all that he did for them as a senator.

And they're the Dark Side *sounds of heavy breathing*. :D

So, unlike most of the issues that get talked about, there's likely
real disagreement.

Indeed, there would be.

And the same issues back with the 2016 Republican primary.

At least in Europe the Pirate Party has managed to talk about things occasionally, and somehow win a seat or two in Sweden and Germany, if
only for a little while.

We have the Pirate Party here, but unfortunately, they haven't gained any traction yet. I do like their platform of "sensible" (i.e. better balanced) intellectual roperty laws. Something that offers more to the artist and prevents IP trolls from holding the industry and consumers to ransom, as well as removing the undue influence of the middlemen.

I'd also like to see in some cases clauses where if an entity doesn't make use of their IP, their claim becomes null and void. An obvious exception would be the original creator, who could hold the rights until they either die or relinquish them to someone else.


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I've always operated under the assumption that sex is binary (pretty sure it still is), and gender is a linguistic category. *shrug*

With you there...

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Joacim Melin wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

If memory serves - the janitor in The Breakfast Club was destined for greater things as he was voted "Man of the year" when he went to the
same school. Makes you think a bit.

That's right - his picture was up in the hallway. John Hughes love to put stuff like that in his movies.


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Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

I don't know if it was out of spite or out of wanting a share of recognizion he thought GNU deserved.

A little of both?


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Re: Re: pfBlockerNG
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Mon Oct 21 2019 06:21 am

I don't know if it was out of spite or out of wanting a share of recognizion he thought GNU deserved.

A little of both?

Probably.

But I think the need to have the GNU label attached to a product that as catching the eye of the public weighted a bit more than pure spite. Or so I hope.
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Given the US's dominance and influence in these areas, those questions
(in the context of a US presidential debate) would be of global interest
too.

It's odd -- Beto O'Rourke is my favored candidate in the Democratic primaries
entirely because he belonged to the Cult of the Dead Cow back in the
'90s.

That's literally the closest anyone has gotten to talking about the
issues --
where I make various assumptions about his viewpoints because of his associations 20 years ago.

And the thing is, Biden literally got an award for being beloved by
the
MPAA/RIAA for all that he did for them as a senator.

So, unlike most of the issues that get talked about, there's likely
real
disagreement.

And the same issues back with the 2016 Republican primary.

At least in Europe the Pirate Party has managed to talk about things occasionally, and somehow win a seat or two in Sweden and Germany, if
only
for a little while.

I love Uncle Joe as much as the next guy, and I'm not even american, but he seems to have aged a lot in a very short time.

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Re: Re: pfBlockerNG
By: Joacim Melin to Arelor on Sun Oct 20 2019 04:17 pm

It's Linux. Stallman can hack together his own kernel and stop whining.

:)

Actually, GNU tried. It is called Hurd and so far it is a failure as a working
product.

To quote Dune (the movie): "They tried... and failed."

Not a release for almost three years now. And that's version 0.9...

https://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/


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To quote Dune (the movie): "They tried... and failed."

"no, they tried and died." just to extend it a bit... :) I forget who has that
converstaion, Channi and Jessica I think... but its been a while. The book is
far better than any of the movies I've seen.

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To quote Dune (the movie): "They tried... and failed."

"no, they tried and died." just to extend it a bit... :) I forget who
has that
converstaion, Channi and Jessica I think... but its been a while.
The book is
far better than any of the movies I've seen.

Just checked - it was between Paul and the reverend Mother Mohiam. Paul asks: "They tried and failed?" and she replies: "They tried and died.".

It's when she has him put the hand in the box.

For some reason I actually like the movie. Never read any of the books though.


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It's when she has him put the hand in the box.

Ahh I was thinking it was in the desert later when he drinks the water
of life.

Don't take your hand out or you'll feel my gom jabbar..

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Spectre wrote to Joacim Melin <=-

To quote Dune (the movie): "They tried... and failed."

"no, they tried and died." just to extend it a bit... :) I forget who
has that
converstaion, Channi and Jessica I think... but its been a while. The

I thought it was the Reverend Mother talking to Paul?




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Joacim Melin wrote to Spectre <=-

For some reason I actually like the movie. Never read any of the books though.

I loved the imagery. They could have gone sterile and boring with it, but
took a baroque-feeling twist with it.


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I thought it was the Reverend Mother talking to Paul?

Ding ding, we have a winner... first ever of the new Dune trivia :)


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For some reason I actually like the movie. Never read any of the books though.

I loved the imagery. They could have gone sterile and boring with it, but took a baroque-feeling twist with it.

You're right there, I thought the baron was good, and Giedi Prime. In fact most
of the sets looked good. But the story got mushed... to mushed if you're expecting something like the original story.

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Nah, sex is a spectrum and a linguistic category, too.

No. Sex is binary. This is biology 101 level. Reproduction has not
changed in the last fifty or 100 or 100,000 years; it requires one male gamete and one female gamete. There is no third gamete, hence there is no third sex.

"Male" and "female" are defined entirely by sexual reproductive role. The sexual role that involves production of eggs/female gametes, gestation and the bearing of young is by definition female. The other role is male.

But then there are intersex and other issues.

Yes, "issues". Conditions such as intersex, genetic abnormalities such as
xxy and triple-x, physical conditions such as infertility or post-menopause, are irrelevant to the underlying calculus: 1 male gamete + 1 female gamete = reproduction.

they're talking about presence or absence of a penis.

And? Genitals are called secondary sex characteristics for a reason: they do not define sex, but they do indicate sex to a very high level of reliability.

I guess I kinda revel in complexity and enjoying the fact that

"Reveling in complexity" is fine. Unnecessarily gunking things up not so much.

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Nah, sex is a spectrum and a linguistic category, too.

No. Sex is binary. This is biology 101 level.

No, that's biology at a 5-year-old's level.

I directly addressed gametes in my messages, and feel no need to rehash.

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I thought it was the Reverend Mother talking to Paul?

Ding ding, we have a winner... first ever of the new Dune trivia :)


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