111
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Two things I found with Apple:


1. "It just works" - Android is great for hacing and apps that do more

with

the hardware, I prefer Apple for the daily use case. But even taking

some of

the daily load off the Android has made a difference to its

performance. (as in

use patterns, not even having to uninstall).

I'm sure Apple is a fine product. Otherwise it would have vanished long ago. I just never really got into them.


So let it be written, So let it be done.
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On 10-03-20 06:39, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Yeah there was that too. <-- this appears to be you.

I'm not sure what was going on.

I thinking it's still doing it. :)

And too often developers throw the baby out with the bathwater when
moving

on

from older technology.

I've noticed that. It's almost like backward compatibility is a bad thing.

In this case, not so much backwards compatibility as simply ignoring good ideas from the past.


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On 10-03-20 06:39, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Yeah there was that too. <-- this appears to be you.

I'm not sure what was going on.

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Never used Aftershock, wonder if its quoting is borked, or if there's a setting to be tweaked. I could set it up on my Android phone as a test system, to sus it out. :)


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On 10-03-20 07:03, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=-

FTP for packets? Or files?

For mail packets (IFT protocol in the nodelist). I haven't advertised it yet.

I haven't stumbled across any of them is my adventures in junk
collecting yet. Sounds like a fun thing to work with though.

Wouldn't be too many Pis in junkboxes yet, they're too useful. ;)

I have used a phone for the remote for my Roku device. There is an app
for it and I had a bad puppy discover the original remote one night and decide it was an excellent chew toy.

Perfect use for it. :)

Linux would open up your options a bit more. <-- that's me (again)

Indeed it would. I need to find that article again, and research
distros to see which would be the best option.I know at least a few experimented with mobile OS's, although I believe many of them gave up.

See what's available for the Nook. :)

There are a lot of technical aspects to it that need researched for certain. At this point I don't even know what all I don't know.

Plenty of people know, ask around the echos. :)


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On 10-03-20 07:09, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=-

I'm sure Apple is a fine product. Otherwise it would have vanished
long ago. I just never really got into them.

With a different philosophy. Apple is a more controlled ecosystem. While that does put some limits on what you can do with Apple devices, it does also increase the stability of the platform. I liken it to the difference between a luxury road car (Apple) that is good at getting you from A to be reliably, comfortably and economically, as opposed to a SUV - maybe not quite as nice on the road, but still perfectly fine. But can go places the road car can't.

End result for me: I have both Apple and Android in service now, and as per my analogy above, the Apple is my primary phone, while the Android still had a number of jobs only it can do. :)


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Thus spake Vk3jed:

I've noticed that. It's almost like backward compatibility is a bad
thing.

In this case, not so much backwards compatibility as simply ignoring good

ideas

from the past.

That is a better description.


So let it be written, So let it be done.
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111
Thus spake Vk3jed:


Never used Aftershock, wonder if its quoting is borked, or if there's a

setting

to be tweaked. I could set it up on my Android phone as a test

system, to sus

it out. :)

I'm nearly convinced that is has something to do with the way that it is wrapping the text. Above is strictly your reply, for example.


So let it be written, So let it be done.
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111
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On 10-03-20 07:03, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=-

FTP for packets? Or files?

For mail packets (IFT protocol in the nodelist). I haven't advertised it

yet.

Interesting. That's a method I hadn't heard of yet.

I haven't stumbled across any of them is my adventures in junk
collecting yet. Sounds like a fun thing to work with though.

Wouldn't be too many Pis in junkboxes yet, they're too useful. ;)

Figure of speech. Although i do collect junk of sorts that i can find new uses for, I also occasionally collect items from family and a friend of my wife. Usually electronic or computer related items they don't know what they are. Since I am the resident computer nerd.

I have used a phone for the remote for my Roku device. There is an app
for it and I had a bad puppy discover the original remote one night and
decide it was an excellent chew toy.

Perfect use for it. :)

It's a good use, but it seems a waste.

experimented with mobile OS's, although I believe many of them gave up.

See what's available for the Nook. :)


The Nook Color itself is abandoned technology. If I recall correctly, the article used an Ubuntu distro, but I'm reasonably sure any would work.

There are a lot of technical aspects to it that need researched for
certain. At this point I don't even know what all I don't know.

Plenty of people know, ask around the echos. :)

I do, when I figure out what I'm trying to understand. In a fairly short time, I've gone from looking for a better way to connect to BBSes on Android, as the two point systems I can find have issues, and either slow or no support.

I have only found 1 Telnet program that claimed to have download capability YModem G, but it's buggy and no reply so far from the developer in a couple of weeks if he's still working on it or not.

I've seen DOSBox options, however generally that seems to be people on Desktops, and I'm hitting walls trying to find a way for it to recognize my WIFI signal.
I was considering either a DOSBox based connection or a Hybrid of a native Android Telnet and DOSbox based mail reader, although DOSBox does make reading


























































































































a bit more challenging for these aging eyes.

I've considered the fact that many Android apps are JAVA based, so if you have


























































































































the source code for a Point program written in Java, JEDPoint for example, it should be possible to adapt it to the Android. I never made it past BASIC and C, so that's somewhat beyond me.

From there, it was a logical extension of that thought to having a BBS running on an Android device.

I think that I think too much sometimes.


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111
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End result for me: I have both Apple and Android in service now, and as

per my

analogy above, the Apple is my primary phone, while the Android

still had a

number of jobs only it can do. :)

I honestly couldn't tell you why I don't use Apple products. I suppose it's just one of those things.



So let it be written, So let it be done.
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1. "It just works" - Android is great for hacing and apps that do more with the hardware, I prefer Apple for the daily use case. But even

Ponder... IME, I'd have said that was right back in the days of MacOS and 68k processors. But Apple seems to have joined the plebs pushing marginal hardware and software now and trying to fix it later. But everyone has different exposure and experiences with them :)

Spec


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Its very hard to try and re-quote it to show what I see, but it appears your editor is saving lines >80chrs when adding the quote prefix to the line. All of the quotes I see from you break two lines....

Spec


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On 10-04-20 06:49, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Thus spake Vk3jed:

I've noticed that. It's almost like backward compatibility is a bad
thing.

In this case, not so much backwards compatibility as simply ignoring
good

ideas

from the past.

That is a better description.

Yeah better fits what I'm trying to say. :)


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On 10-04-20 06:53, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Thus spake Vk3jed:

Never used Aftershock, wonder if its quoting is borked, or if there's a

setting

to be tweaked. I could set it up on my Android phone as a test

system, to sus

it out. :)

I'm nearly convinced that is has something to do with the way that it
is wrapping the text. Above is strictly your reply, for example.

Could be. In any case, something's borked on your end. :/ Your wrapping is definitely off. :/


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On 10-04-20 07:45, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=-

For mail packets (IFT protocol in the nodelist). I haven't advertised
it

yet.

Interesting. That's a method I hadn't heard of yet.

Mystic supports it out of the box. Basically, downlinks poll by logging into a FTP server with the right credentials and pick up their mail. In my case, because I use a separate FTP server, my hub will put the outbound packets into the same account. Only difference is I reverse the upload and download directories on my end, so the mail packets are in the right place for the downlinks.

Figure of speech. Although i do collect junk of sorts that i can find
new uses for, I also occasionally collect items from family and a
friend of my wife. Usually electronic or computer related items they
don't know what they are. Since I am the resident computer nerd.

Occasionally, there's some useful tech junk. :)

See what's available for the Nook. :)

The Nook Color itself is abandoned technology. If I recall correctly,
the article used an Ubuntu distro, but I'm reasonably sure any would
work.

There are a lot of technical aspects to it that need researched for
certain. At this point I don't even know what all I don't know.

Might be a fun little "coz I can" project. :)

Plenty of people know, ask around the echos. :)

I do, when I figure out what I'm trying to understand. In a fairly
short time, I've gone from looking for a better way to connect to BBSes
on Android, as the two point systems I can find have issues, and either slow or no support.

Yes, mobile devices in general lack BBS support. :( echicken has an idea for a dedicated BBS client, but it's going to be a background project for him, so nothing soon.

I have only found 1 Telnet program that claimed to have download capability YModem G, but it's buggy and no reply so far from the
developer in a couple of weeks if he's still working on it or not.

Hmm, haven't come across that one yet.

I've seen DOSBox options, however generally that seems to be people on Desktops, and I'm hitting walls trying to find a way for it to
recognize my WIFI signal.
I was considering either a DOSBox based connection or a Hybrid of a
native Android Telnet and DOSbox based mail reader, although DOSBox
does make reading a bit more challenging for these aging eyes.

Only DOSBox I've found that's of any use is Magic DOSBox. The others don't support the modem emulation that DOS apps typically need to use.

I've considered the fact that many Android apps are JAVA based, so if
you have the source code for a Point program written in Java, JEDPoint
for example, it should be possible to adapt it to the Android. I never made it past BASIC and C, so that's somewhat beyond me.

Points are still the wrong model in my opinion, because you either have to use your phone exclusively, or have to keep manually resyncing last read pointers or read mail twice (or more times), to use other devices. QWK/Bluewave are a better model. echicken's idea is to use more modern web services to talk to the BBS and exchange mail (as well as possibly access other features).

From there, it was a logical extension of that thought to having a BBS running on an Android device.

True. Not how I'd do things, but no reason it couldn't be done. :)

I think that I think too much sometimes.

;)


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I honestly couldn't tell you why I don't use Apple products. I suppose it's just one of those things.

When I first went Apple, Android wasn't quite ready (but it did catch up soon after). 7 years later, I switched to Android. Partly for economic reasons, partly because I wanted some of the openness of Android.

Now I'm back with Apple as my primary device. Partly stability for my main phone, and partly because a number of sports performance apps that I'm interested in using are only available on Apple. But this time, I've kept Android as my secondary phone. Neither OS 100% meets my needs, but having both available goes a lot closer. :)


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On 10-05-20 12:20, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-

1. "It just works" - Android is great for hacing and apps that do more with the hardware, I prefer Apple for the daily use case. But even

Ponder... IME, I'd have said that was right back in the days of MacOS
and 68k processors. But Apple seems to have joined the plebs pushing marginal hardware and software now and trying to fix it later. But everyone has different exposure and experiences with them :)

Yeah my experience doesn't suggest that.


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111
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I'm nearly convinced that is has something to do with the way that it
is wrapping the text. Above is strictly your reply, for example.

Could be. In any case, something's borked on your end. :/ Your wrapping is definitely off. :/

Let's see if this looks any better.


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111
Thus spake Vk3jed:

Interesting. That's a method I hadn't heard of yet.

Mystic supports it out of the box. Basically, downlinks poll by logging into a FTP server with the right credentials and pick up their mail. In my

case,

because I use a separate FTP server, my hub will put the outbound packets into the same account. Only difference is I reverse the upload and

download

directories on my end, so the mail packets are in the right place for the downlinks.

Definitely an outside the box idea for mail transfer.

The Nook Color itself is abandoned technology. If I recall correctly,
the article used an Ubuntu distro, but I'm reasonably sure any would
work.

There are a lot of technical aspects to it that need researched for
certain. At this point I don't even know what all I don't know.

Might be a fun little "coz I can" project. :)

Yeah, I need to remember where I put the wire for them. Downside for the device, it uses its own USB cable.

Plenty of people know, ask around the echos. :)

Yes, mobile devices in general lack BBS support. :( echicken has an idea for a dedicated BBS client, but it's going to be a background project for

him,

so nothing soon.

I saw when he was talking about it. Definitely an ambitious sounding idea.

I have only found 1 Telnet program that claimed to have download
capability YModem G, but it's buggy and no reply so far from the
developer in a couple of weeks if he's still working on it or not.

Hmm, haven't come across that one yet.

It's called fTelnet, but no updates in Google Play since Dec 2017.

Points are still the wrong model in my opinion, because you either have to use your phone exclusively, or have to keep manually resyncing last read pointers
or read mail twice (or more times), to use other devices. QWK/Bluewave
are a better model. echicken's idea is to use more modern web services to

talk

to the BBS and exchange mail (as well as possibly access other features).

It's really not that different than when I was callling several BBSes to follow


























































































































all of the message bases that I was interested in. There was some overlap of echos among the selections of the boards. It's another option for reading and writing messages.

As well as a choice of preference, like Apple vs Android.

From there, it was a logical extension of that thought to having a BBS
running on an Android device.

True. Not how I'd do things, but no reason it couldn't be done.

Now what would be truly crazy would be suggesting using an Android Device to run a C=64 BBS.



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136

Thus spake Vk3jed:

Two things I found with Apple:

1. "It just works" - Android is great for hacing and apps that do
more

with

the hardware, I prefer Apple for the daily use case. But even taking

some of

the daily load off the Android has made a difference to its

performance. (as in

use patterns, not even having to uninstall).

I'm sure Apple is a fine product. Otherwise it would have vanished
long ago. I just never really got into them.

Apple is the company. iPhone is the product. "Tiny" difference.


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111
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I'm sure Apple is a fine product. Otherwise it would have vanished
long ago. I just never really got into them.

Apple is the company. iPhone is the product. "Tiny" difference.

I'm considering the whole shebang. Macs, iPads, iPhones, Apple Watch..... whatever else they have. So in this case, I'm using Apple as a marker for all of their products. Just as Android is an "OS" comprising many brands and products.

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Could be. In any case, something's borked on your end. :/ Your wrapping

Couldn't fight his way out of a paper bag let alone some wrapping? :P

Spec


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On 10-05-20 05:07, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Thus spake Vk3jed:

I'm nearly convinced that is has something to do with the way that it
is wrapping the text. Above is strictly your reply, for example.

Could be. In any case, something's borked on your end. :/ Your wrapping is definitely off. :/

Let's see if this looks any better.

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That one looks good here. :)


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On 10-05-20 05:43, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=-

directories on my end, so the mail packets are in the right place for the downlinks.

Definitely an outside the box idea for mail transfer.

But mail is files, and FTP is good at transferring those, so why not? ;)

Might be a fun little "coz I can" project. :)

Yeah, I need to remember where I put the wire for them. Downside for
the device, it uses its own USB cable.

Annoying. :(

Yes, mobile devices in general lack BBS support. :( echicken has an idea for a dedicated BBS client, but it's going to be a background project for

him,

so nothing soon.

I saw when he was talking about it. Definitely an ambitious sounding idea.

Would be really good if he pulls it off. :)

I have only found 1 Telnet program that claimed to have download
capability YModem G, but it's buggy and no reply so far from the
developer in a couple of weeks if he's still working on it or not.

Hmm, haven't come across that one yet.

It's called fTelnet, but no updates in Google Play since Dec 2017.

Hmm, the only "ftelnet" I lnow is the one that runs in a web browser.

Points are still the wrong model in my opinion, because you either have to use your phone exclusively, or have to keep manually resyncing last read pointers
or read mail twice (or more times), to use other devices. QWK/Bluewave
are a better model. echicken's idea is to use more modern web services to

talk

to the BBS and exchange mail (as well as possibly access other features).

It's really not that different than when I was callling several BBSes
to follow all of the message bases that I was interested in. There was some overlap of echos among the selections of the boards. It's another option for reading and writing messages.

I see it as quite different, because there's likely 100% overlap in wat you read in this case. When I called multiple BBSs, I setup my mail packets so that there was little or no overlap between message areas, so no duplication or tring to remember if I actually replied to a message befoe or not. :)

As well as a choice of preference, like Apple vs Android.

From there, it was a logical extension of that thought to having a BBS
running on an Android device.

True. Not how I'd do things, but no reason it couldn't be done.

Now what would be truly crazy would be suggesting using an Android
Device to run a C=64 BBS.

Hahaha. :D


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On 10-06-20 09:40, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Could be. In any case, something's borked on your end. :/ Your wrapping

Couldn't fight his way out of a paper bag let alone some wrapping? :P

Haha. :D


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On 10-05-20 05:07, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Thus spake Vk3jed:

I'm nearly convinced that is has something to do with the way that it
is wrapping the text. Above is strictly your reply, for example.

Could be. In any case, something's borked on your end. :/ Your wrapping
is definitely off. :/

Let's see if this looks any better.

That one looks good here. :)

I went through the message and manually re-aligned the replies with the quote markers. For some reason, from my side at least, there is a lot of blank space being inserted. Your last reply above, I left alone. To me view, it puts "That one looks good here" one line below the tag for you.




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111
Thus spake Vk3jed:

But mail is files, and FTP is good at transferring those, so why not? ;)

Might be a fun little "coz I can" project. :)

I agree. It makes sense, just somewhat surprising. Most discussions I have seen over the years treat files and messages as different entities.

Yeah, I need to remember where I put the wire for them. Downside for
the device, it uses its own USB cable.

Annoying. :(

It definitely is. It ALMOST is like the USB-mini or whatever you call it that most Android devices use, but the connector is longer.

It's called fTelnet, but no updates in Google Play since Dec 2017.

Hmm, the only "ftelnet" I lnow is the one that runs in a web browser.


fTelnet.ca is the website. He apparently has 2 versions, the app, which says it's on Google Play and the App Store, and an embedded one.

It's really not that different than when I was callling several BBSes
to follow all of the message bases that I was interested in. There was
some overlap of echos among the selections of the boards. It's another
option for reading and writing messages.

I see it as quite different, because there's likely 100% overlap in wat
you read in this case. When I called multiple BBSs, I setup my mail

packets

so that there was little or no overlap between message areas, so no duplication or tring to remember if I actually replied to a message befoe

or not. :)

When I was calling multiple local BBSes, there usually wasn't a lot of overlap.
























































































































Once Telnet came into the picture, there actually was quite a bit. I get interested in weird stuff sometimes. I wanted to see how ling messages actually took to reach various places around the world. Although in my case, that usually resulted in US, Canada, and the UK. I never really found that many Telnet addresses to other countries back then.

Now what would be truly crazy would be suggesting using an Android
Device to run a C=64 BBS.

Hahaha. :D

What can I say? I have strange ideas.


So let it be written, So let it be done.
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On 10-06-20 06:24, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=-

I went through the message and manually re-aligned the replies with the quote markers. For some reason, from my side at least, there is a lot
of blank space being inserted. Your last reply above, I left alone.
To me view, it puts "That one looks good here" one line below the tag
for you.

Sounds like Aftershock's quoting and/or editing is somewhat broken. :/


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On 10-06-20 06:46, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=-

I agree. It makes sense, just somewhat surprising. Most discussions I have seen over the years treat files and messages as different
entities.

Depends at what level you're looking.

Annoying. :(

It definitely is. It ALMOST is like the USB-mini or whatever you call
it that most Android devices use, but the connector is longer.

What a stupid idea. Actually, I don't like the micro USB connector either, but at least it's standard. USB-C is a better standard.

fTelnet.ca is the website. He apparently has 2 versions, the app,
which says it's on Google Play and the App Store, and an embedded one.

Ahh OK, I wasn't aware of the mobile versions.

When I was calling multiple local BBSes, there usually wasn't a lot of overlap. Once Telnet came into the picture, there actually was quite a

Yeah it's the overlap that's the killer. No overlap = no problem, becaause there's nothing to try and keep in sync. :)

bit. I get interested in weird stuff sometimes. I wanted to see how
ling messages actually took to reach various places around the world. Although in my case, that usually resulted in US, Canada, and the UK.
I never really found that many Telnet addresses to other countries back then.

Hmm, OK. :)

Now what would be truly crazy would be suggesting using an Android
Device to run a C=64 BBS.

Hahaha. :D

What can I say? I have strange ideas.

Indeed. ;)


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On 10-06-20 06:24, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=-

I went through the message and manually re-aligned the replies with the
quote markers. For some reason, from my side at least, there is a lot
of blank space being inserted. Your last reply above, I left alone.
To me view, it puts "That one looks good here" one line below the tag
for you.

Sounds like Aftershock's quoting and/or editing is somewhat broken. :/

Yeah, it has some issues. But it does allow communication with the fine folks here.


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Thus spake Vk3jed:

On 10-06-20 06:46, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=-

I agree. It makes sense, just somewhat surprising. Most discussions I
have seen over the years treat files and messages as different
entities.

Depends at what level you're looking.

That's true. You'd think after all the time I used to spend playing middle man between the developers and users working out the kinks in the software at an old job that I'd remember that.

Annoying. :(

It definitely is. It ALMOST is like the USB-mini or whatever you call
it that most Android devices use, but the connector is longer.

What a stupid idea. Actually, I don't like the micro USB connector
either, but
at least it's standard. USB-C is a better standard.

When Nook was doing it's own thing reader wise it almost seemed like it was going the Apple route. It used it's own OS, not Android, It's own App store, it's own cable. I did like it better than the Kindle at the time, but that was
























































































































aggravating.

fTelnet.ca is the website. He apparently has 2 versions, the app,

Ahh OK, I wasn't aware of the mobile versions.

I don't think many people are.

When I was calling multiple local BBSes, there usually wasn't a lot of
overlap. Once Telnet came into the picture, there actually was quite a

Yeah it's the overlap that's the killer. No overlap = no problem,
becaause
there's nothing to try and keep in sync. :)

What's funny is I was better at having backups to echo access than I was at actually backing up files on my computer., which was dangerous as often as I crashed my system experimenting.


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What a stupid idea. Actually, I don't like the micro USB connector either, but at least it's standard. USB-C is a better standard.

I read an interesting 2600 article about USB-C, which explained some of the weirdness of the standard -- where you can have a variety of different sub standards, given your need for data throughput, power, or cable length(e.g.,
4k TV versus a keyboard).

And it's not especially easy to tell the cables apart.

And there's supposed to be a chip in there to tell people that, hey, this
cable won't work for that purpose. But oftentimes cable makers cut corners
and save the buck the chip costs in order to keep the price slightly lower
when selling it.

And so on. Probably still a pretty solid standard, but there's a fair amount of, "Just because it fits, doesn't mean it's the right cable" items that can get confusing.

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On 10-07-20 04:28, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Sounds like Aftershock's quoting and/or editing is somewhat broken. :/

Yeah, it has some issues. But it does allow communication with the
fine folks here.

As long as you beat it into submission. ;)


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On 10-07-20 04:45, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Depends at what level you're looking.

That's true. You'd think after all the time I used to spend playing
middle man between the developers and users working out the kinks in
the software at an old job that I'd remember that.

LOL yep. I tend to reduce things to their lowest level or most common concepts, where possible. :)

When Nook was doing it's own thing reader wise it almost seemed like it was going the Apple route. It used it's own OS, not Android, It's own
App store, it's own cable. I did like it better than the Kindle at the time, but that was aggravating.

At least Apple had the momentum, and its "Lightning" cables seem to be a better design than micro USB.

Ahh OK, I wasn't aware of the mobile versions.

I don't think many people are.

Certainly you're the only one I recall mentioning them.

What's funny is I was better at having backups to echo access than I
was at actually backing up files on my computer., which was dangerous
as often as I crashed my system experimenting.

Hahaha. :D


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On 10-07-20 20:19, Adept wrote to Vk3jed <=-

What a stupid idea. Actually, I don't like the micro USB connector either, but at least it's standard. USB-C is a better standard.

I read an interesting 2600 article about USB-C, which explained some of the weirdness of the standard -- where you can have a variety of
different sub standards, given your need for data throughput, power, or cable length(e.g., 4k TV versus a keyboard).

Yeah, I knew there were a few variations.

And it's not especially easy to tell the cables apart.

And there's supposed to be a chip in there to tell people that, hey,
this cable won't work for that purpose. But oftentimes cable makers cut corners and save the buck the chip costs in order to keep the price slightly lower when selling it.

And so on. Probably still a pretty solid standard, but there's a fair amount of, "Just because it fits, doesn't mean it's the right cable"
items that can get confusing.

People always seem to find a way to screw things up. :D


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Thus spake Vk3jed:

On 10-07-20 04:28, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Sounds like Aftershock's quoting and/or editing is somewhat broken. :/

Yeah, it has some issues. But it does allow communication with the
fine folks here.

As long as you beat it into submission. ;)

This is true, although I remember some mail readers I had the same issue with back in the day.


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Thus spake Vk3jed:

Ahh OK, I wasn't aware of the mobile versions.

I don't think many people are.

Certainly you're the only one I recall mentioning them.

I look for those sort of things. I'm weird like that.

What's funny is I was better at having backups to echo access than I
was at actually backing up files on my computer., which was dangerous
as often as I crashed my system experimenting.

Hahaha. :D

I can laugh now, but it definitely caused pain at the time.

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