Hello Ann;

acn wrote to N1uro <=-

Same here, I'm also using Devuan with Synchronet.

Seems like a nice combo! I really don't have any complaints.

For using binkd + hpt + golded, there is an interesting project called "Fidian" which wants to make the usage of these tools more easy: https://www.kuehlbox.wtf/fidian

My install of Synchronet has it all built in except for multimail however that's in the repositories.

This adds a Debian repository which adds the missing packages and configures everything.

I found compiling and running make install did what I needed it to do.
I already had dosemu and a few other toys installed for ham radio usage.

But I did not try it for myself :)

I don't think I'll have a need to try it. I could install it on a test
machine I suppose.

... I may be schizophrenic but at least I have each other.
--- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
* Origin: Carnage - risen from the dead now on SBBS (21:4/107)

Am 20.05.21 schrieb N1uro@21:4/107 in FSX_NET:

Hallo N1uro,

Same here, I'm also using Devuan with Synchronet.

Seems like a nice combo! I really don't have any complaints.

Dito :)

For using binkd + hpt + golded, there is an interesting project called ac>> "Fidian" which wants to make the usage of these tools more easy:
https://www.kuehlbox.wtf/fidian

My install of Synchronet has it all built in except for multimail however that's in the repositories.

Same here. I just wanted to mention it as an alternative if someone just wants to use binkd+hpt+golded without a BBS attached to it.

This adds a Debian repository which adds the missing packages and
configures everything.

I found compiling and running make install did what I needed it to do.
I already had dosemu and a few other toys installed for ham radio usage.

I also compiled a dosemu version for my Devuan box (although I've created
a .deb package) myself which works quite well for me :)
And yes, normally using eg. configure/make/make install is working just
fine :)

Regards,
Anna

--- OpenXP 5.0.49
* Origin: Imzadi Box Point (21:3/127.1)

acn wrote to N1uro <=-

Same here. I just wanted to mention it as an alternative if someone
just wants to use binkd+hpt+golded without a BBS attached to it.

That's great to hear! I know someone in my fido area who does just that.
He may be a good candidate to test it with.

I also compiled a dosemu version for my Devuan box (although I've
created a .deb package) myself which works quite well for me :)
And yes, normally using eg. configure/make/make install is working just fine :)

If you set your dosemu.cfg file so that video=none, you can then set
your dos conventional ram to 756K... the bbs will push your video for you
so you shouldn't have any issues. I do that on amateur radio packet with
my instance of MFNOS and even the author of the program is amazed at the conventional memory left after it's loaded. I should have about 50K on a standard DOS system but I actually have over 300K of conventional left.
You may find some games will run a bit smoother.

... So eager to play, so reluctant to admit it
--- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
* Origin: Carnage - risen from the dead now on SBBS (21:4/107)

Am 21.05.21 schrieb N1uro@21:4/107 in FSX_NET:

Hallo N1uro,

Same here. I just wanted to mention it as an alternative if someone
just wants to use binkd+hpt+golded without a BBS attached to it.

That's great to hear! I know someone in my fido area who does just that.
He may be a good candidate to test it with.

Another idea, which is way easier (in my opinion), is to use OpenXP as a point software. I guess it is comparable to golded, but has everything
needed to poll for packets built-in. You just have so search a BBS uplink
and register as a point. And you also don't have to have binkp running as
a daemon all the time :)

If you set your dosemu.cfg file so that video=none, you can then set
your dos conventional ram to 756K... the bbs will push your video for you
so you shouldn't have any issues. I do that on amateur radio packet with
my instance of MFNOS and even the author of the program is amazed at the conventional memory left after it's loaded. I should have about 50K on a standard DOS system but I actually have over 300K of conventional left.
You may find some games will run a bit smoother.

Thank you for this hint!
Although, at the moment at least, all my doors are running fine :)

Regards,
Anna

--- OpenXP 5.0.49
* Origin: Imzadi Box Point (21:3/127.1)

Hello Anna;

acn wrote to N1uro <=-

Another idea, which is way easier (in my opinion), is to use OpenXP as
a point software. I guess it is comparable to golded, but has
everything needed to poll for packets built-in. You just have so search
a BBS uplink and register as a point. And you also don't have to have binkp running as a daemon all the time :)

In my case, the server is up 24/7 except when there's a power issue that's drained my UPS or I'm running my clonezilla month-end backup.

Thank you for this hint!
Although, at the moment at least, all my doors are running fine :)

If it's not broke, don't fix it!



... Don't sweat petty things, or pet sweaty things
--- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
* Origin: Carnage - risen from the dead now on SBBS (21:4/107)

Am 25.05.21 schrieb N1uro@21:4/107 in FSX_NET:

Hallo N1uro,

Another idea, which is way easier (in my opinion), is to use OpenXP as ac>> a point software. I guess it is comparable to golded, but has
everything needed to poll for packets built-in. You just have so search ac>> a BBS uplink and register as a point. And you also don't have to have
binkp running as a daemon all the time :)

In my case, the server is up 24/7 except when there's a power issue that's drained my UPS or I'm running my clonezilla month-end backup.

;-)
Same here, I'm using OpenXP via SSH on one of my servers because I prefer
its ease of use.
I think it is a little easier to handle compared to binkd/hpt/golded as it
is menu-driven rather than config-file-driven.

So, if someone just wants to be part of the message networks, OpenXP is a fine solution and easier than binkd/hpt/golded or a complete BBS package.
And it is more comfortable than QWK/MultiMail IMHO.

Regards,
Anna

--- OpenXP 5.0.49
* Origin: Imzadi Box Point (21:3/127.1)

Hello Anna;

acn wrote to N1uro <=-

;-)
Same here, I'm using OpenXP via SSH on one of my servers because I
prefer its ease of use.
I think it is a little easier to handle compared to binkd/hpt/golded as
it is menu-driven rather than config-file-driven.

So, if someone just wants to be part of the message networks, OpenXP is
a fine solution and easier than binkd/hpt/golded or a complete BBS package. And it is more comfortable than QWK/MultiMail IMHO.

I've always prefered QWK packets... we all have our likes and our dislikes.
I'm glad you found yours. If BlueWave were native to linux I'd be in paradise but MultiMail is doing the job quite well.



... Geometry teaches us to bisex angels.
--- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
* Origin: Carnage - risen from the dead now on SBBS (21:4/107)

Quoting N1uro to acn <=-

I've always prefered QWK packets... we all have our likes and our dislikes. I'm glad you found yours. If BlueWave were native to linux
I'd be in paradise but MultiMail is doing the job quite well.

I have been enjoying BlueWave 2.30 for DOS on my Linux machine via
DOSBOX-X. I use TDE for DOS as the text editor. I like using DOS better because it displays the ANSI graphics better than my Linux terminal I
was using for MultiMail. I also like BlueWave's single space bar
navigation through the whole package and the percentage read of each
packet that is displayed without opening each packet to see what is
left. Oh, and I love the TAB key for jumping past the current thread to
the next.

~Elf

,---------------------------,
| /---------------------\ |
| | | |
| | Long Live | |
| | DOS!! | |
| | | |
| | | |
| \_____________________/ |
|___________________________|
,---\_____ [] _______/------,
/ /______________\ /|
/___________________________________ / | ___
| | | )
| 486DX66 [-------] | | (
| o o o [-------] | / _)_
|__________________________________ |/ / /
/-------------------------------------/| ( )/
/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ / /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ / ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

... Another good night not to sleep in a eucalyptus tree.
SEEN-BY: 1/100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 SEEN-BY: 1/117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 133 134 SEEN-BY: 1/135 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 SEEN-BY: 1/153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 SEEN-BY: 1/171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 SEEN-BY: 1/189 190 191 192 193 194 195 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 SEEN-BY: 1/207 208 209 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 SEEN-BY: 1/225 226 241 616 995 2/100 1202 3/100 4/100 106 5/100

Quoting N1uro to acn <=-

I've always prefered QWK packets... we all have our likes and our dislikes. I'm glad you found yours. If BlueWave were native to linux
I'd be in paradise but MultiMail is doing the job quite well.

I have been enjoying BlueWave 2.30 for DOS on my Linux machine via
DOSBOX-X. I use TDE for DOS as the text editor.

I like using DOS better because it displays the ANSI graphics better than my Linux terminal I was using for MultiMail.

I run multimail like this..

LANG=en_CA mm

Gives me the good old DOS look along with viewing ANSi in the ansi viewer.

--- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-4
* Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (21:4/106.2)

Hello acn!

** On Wednesday 26.05.21 - 16:28, acn wrote to N1uro:

Same here, I'm using OpenXP via SSH on one of my servers
because I prefer its ease of use.

Do you have to do anything special for the SSH part? Is it
just a matter of pointing to a specific port number, and that's
it?

I think it is a little easier to handle compared to binkd/
hpt/golded as it is menu-driven rather than config-file-
driven.

So, if someone just wants to be part of the message
networks, OpenXP is a fine solution and easier than binkd/
hpt/golded or a complete BBS package. And it is more
comfortable than QWK/MultiMail IMHO.

I CONCUR!


--- OpenXP 5.0.50
* Origin: Ogg's WestCoast Point (21:4/106.21)

Hello N1uro!

** On Wednesday 26.05.21 - 12:30, N1uro wrote to acn:

So, if someone just wants to be part of the message
networks, OpenXP is a fine solution and easier than
binkd/hpt/golded or a complete BBS package. And it is
more comfortable than QWK/MultiMail IMHO.

I've always prefered QWK packets... we all have our likes
and our dislikes. I'm glad you found yours. If BlueWave
were native to linux I'd be in paradise but MultiMail is
doing the job quite well.

Well.. it's like they say: you don't know what you're missing.

;)

Before I discovered OpenXP, I was pretty sure that no one could
convince me to use anything else other than Winpoint, or
Apoint, or the nntp method from bbses that offer JamNNTP.

OpenXP is designed for the message connoisseur. ;)

I wanted to be able to search entire collection of messages
when I needed to, and be able to mark a message that I may like
to reply to MUCH later. That is simply not possible with QWK.

You can even tweak things like the font that you might prefer -
within the limits of the OS that is.

Check out some screenshots here: https://openxp.kolico.ca

OpenXP is available for Linux too with either /32 or /64
versions.


--- OpenXP 5.0.50
* Origin: Ogg's WestCoast Point (21:4/106.21)

Ogg wrote to N1uro <=-

OpenXP is available for Linux too with either /32 or /64
versions.

The linux release is 64 bit and the windows release is 32 bit.

The source is also available so for can build their own if they choose.

Ttyl :-),
Al

... I'm sure it's clearly explained in the Zmodem DOC's
-+- MultiMail/Linux v0.52

--- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-4
* Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (21:4/106.2)

Hello Al!

** On Wednesday 26.05.21 - 19:57, Al wrote to Ogg:

OpenXP is available for Linux too with either /32 or /64
versions.

The linux release is 64 bit and the windows release is 32 bit.

Linux = i586 or x86_64

I believe i586=32bit

And yes.. The Windows version is only 32bit.

The source is also available so for can build their own if they choose.

Indeed it is! :D


--- OpenXP 5.0.50
* Origin: Ogg's WestCoast Point (21:4/106.21)

The linux release is 64 bit and the windows release is 32 bit.

Linux = i586 or x86_64

I believe i586=32bit

Yep, and yep.

But there is no 32bit linux version. Just an x86_64 binary or rpm package. I'm not sure why that is. Maybe no one uses 32bit linux anymore? I've been 64bit since 2002 or so.

And yes.. The Windows version is only 32bit.

I think it's likely windows will go 64bit at some point. Probably sooner than later but I don't know.

--- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-4
* Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (21:4/106.2)

Quoting Al to Elf <=-

I have been enjoying BlueWave 2.30 for DOS on my Linux machine via
DOSBOX-X. I use TDE for DOS as the text editor.

I like using DOS better because it displays the ANSI graphics better than my Linux terminal I was using for MultiMail.

I run multimail like this..

LANG=en_CA mm

Gives me the good old DOS look along with viewing ANSi in the ansi
viewer.

Yeah, that's not working for me. What terminal are you using?


~Elf

,---------------------------,
| /---------------------\ |
| | | |
| | Long Live | |
| | DOS!! | |
| | | |
| | | |
| \_____________________/ |
|___________________________|
,---\_____ [] _______/------,
/ /______________\ /|
/___________________________________ / | ___
| | | )
| 486DX66 [-------] | | (
| o o o [-------] | / _)_
|__________________________________ |/ / /
/-------------------------------------/| ( )/
/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ / /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ / ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

... She can't take much more of this Captain.

--- EzyBlueWave V3.00 01FB001F
* Origin: Tiny's BBS - telnet://tinysbbs.com:3023 (21:1/130)

Quoting Ogg to N1uro <=-

OpenXP is available for Linux too with either /32 or /64
versions.

I would love to try it but . . . sounds like you need more knowledge of
how to link it into the messages or something? Connecting to a point or something? I don't know. I have just been watching the messages on the
boards about it. I tried installing it on Linux but apparently it relies
on some old libraries that are not available in my ubuntu-based 20.04.2
LTS installations. Back in my DOS days I used Robomail which was awesome
and have been wanting something like that in Linux. Sounds like OpenXP
may be it, but I just have not had to time to "figure it out" for Linux.


~Elf

,---------------------------,
| /---------------------\ |
| | | |
| | Long Live | |
| | DOS!! | |
| | | |
| | | |
| \_____________________/ |
|___________________________|
,---\_____ [] _______/------,
/ /______________\ /|
/___________________________________ / | ___
| | | )
| 486DX66 [-------] | | (
| o o o [-------] | / _)_
|__________________________________ |/ / /
/-------------------------------------/| ( )/
/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ / /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ / ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

... Committee: A body that keeps minutes and wastes hours.

--- EzyBlueWave V3.00 01FB001F
* Origin: Tiny's BBS - telnet://tinysbbs.com:3023 (21:1/130)

Al wrote (2021-05-26):

And yes.. The Windows version is only 32bit.

I think it's likely windows will go 64bit at some point. Probably sooner than later but I don't know.

I don't think Windows will drop 32-bit support anytime soon and there is not much you would gain with a 64-bit OpenXP version anyway.

---
* Origin: . (21:3/102)

I run multimail like this..

LANG=en_CA mm

Gives me the good old DOS look along with viewing ANSi in the ansi
viewer.

Yeah, that's not working for me. What terminal are you using?

A plain old bash terminal.

--- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-4
* Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (21:4/106.2)

I don't think Windows will drop 32-bit support anytime soon and there is not much you would gain with a 64-bit OpenXP version anyway.

You're probably right.

I suppose if folks keep on using it, and there are a lot BBS ops who use it for 16bit door support.

32bit linux distro's are getting further and further apart these days.

--- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-4
* Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (21:4/106.2)

Ogg wrote (2021-05-26):

Hello acn!

** On Wednesday 26.05.21 - 16:28, acn wrote to N1uro:

Same here, I'm using OpenXP via SSH on one of my servers
because I prefer its ease of use.

Do you have to do anything special for the SSH part? Is it
just a matter of pointing to a specific port number, and that's
it?

You just login to the remote machine (server) via ssh and then start OpenXP from the command line.

---
* Origin: . (21:3/102)

Hello Al!

** On Wednesday 26.05.21 - 20:33, Al wrote to Ogg:

The linux release is 64 bit and the windows release is 32 bit.

Linux = i586 or x86_64

I believe i586=32bit

Yep, and yep.

But there is no 32bit linux version. Just an x86_64 binary
or rpm package. I'm not sure why that is. Maybe no one uses
32bit linux anymore? I've been 64bit since 2002 or so.

I see rpm versions here: https://openxp.uk/linux/

That's where I was getting my information.


--- OpenXP 5.0.50
* Origin: Ogg's WestCoast Point (21:4/106.21)

Hello Elf!

** On Thursday 27.05.21 - 04:27, Elf wrote to Ogg:

OpenXP is available for Linux too with either /32 or /64
versions.

I would love to try it but . . . sounds like you need more
knowledge of how to link it into the messages or
something? Connecting to a point or something?

It's super easy.

...I tried installing it on Linux but apparently it relies
on some old libraries that are not available in my ubuntu-
based 20.04.2 LTS installations.

Yes..I've heard that some files get reported missing depending
on the distro. But I think the info is in the readme/help
files or something. I personally don't have any experience with
installing the linux version.


--- OpenXP 5.0.50
* Origin: Ogg's WestCoast Point (21:4/106.21)

Am 26.05.21 schrieb N1uro@21:4/107 in FSX_NET:

Hallo N1uro,

I've always prefered QWK packets... we all have our likes and our dislikes. I'm glad you found yours.

Same for you! :) It's always good to have options to choose from.

If BlueWave were native to linux I'd be in
paradise but MultiMail is doing the job quite well.

I think I've tried BW back in the 90s but I don't remember its usage :)

Have a nice day!

Regards,
Anna

--- OpenXP 5.0.49
* Origin: Imzadi Box Point (21:3/127.1)

Am 26.05.21 schrieb Ogg@21:4/106.21 in FSX_NET:

Hallo Ogg,

Same here, I'm using OpenXP via SSH on one of my servers
because I prefer its ease of use.

Do you have to do anything special for the SSH part? Is it
just a matter of pointing to a specific port number, and that's
it?

No, I'm running OpenXP on a Linux machine as a normal program.
I'm using SSH to access the Linux box and then run OpenXP there.
OpenXP doesn't use special ports or sth. like that.

Regards,
Anna

--- OpenXP 5.0.49
* Origin: Imzadi Box Point (21:3/127.1)

Hello Elf;

Elf wrote to N1uro <=-

I have been enjoying BlueWave 2.30 for DOS on my Linux machine via DOSBOX-X. I use TDE for DOS as the text editor. I like using DOS
better because it displays the ANSI graphics better than my Linux
terminal I was using for MultiMail. I also like BlueWave's single space bar navigation through the whole package and the percentage read of
each packet that is displayed without opening each packet to see what
is left. Oh, and I love the TAB key for jumping past the current thread
to the next.

I considered that however all my researching said that it suffered a Y2K date issue that was never properly patched. I'm not overly concerned about some of the ANSI stuff in mail. I'm used to it pushing ANSI on packet radio <G>

... Writing my name in cursive is my signature move.
--- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
* Origin: Carnage - risen from the dead now on SBBS (21:4/107)

Hello Ogg;

Ogg wrote to N1uro <=-

Well.. it's like they say: you don't know what you're missing.

You also know they say: if it's not broke, don't fix it :)

... Books: "Irish Winter Tales".....by Pete Moss
--- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
* Origin: Carnage - risen from the dead now on SBBS (21:4/107)

Hello Anna;

acn wrote to N1uro <=-

Same for you! :) It's always good to have options to choose from.

Yes it is! Just like droid vs ios :)

I think I've tried BW back in the 90s but I don't remember its usage :)

It was similar to MultiMail handling QWK packets.

... Those who get too big for their britches will be exposed in the end.
--- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
* Origin: Carnage - risen from the dead now on SBBS (21:4/107)

Quoting N1uro to Elf <=-

I considered that however all my researching said that it suffered a
Y2K date issue that was never properly patched. I'm not overly
concerned about some of the ANSI stuff in mail. I'm used to it pushing ANSI on packet radio <G>

There is a patch for the Y2K issue. Working fine here. :-)


~Elf

,---------------------------,
| /---------------------\ |
| | | |
| | Long Live | |
| | DOS!! | |
| | | |
| | | |
| \_____________________/ |
|___________________________|
,---\_____ [] _______/------,
/ /______________\ /|
/___________________________________ / | ___
| | | )
| 486DX66 [-------] | | (
| o o o [-------] | / _)_
|__________________________________ |/ / /
/-------------------------------------/| ( )/
/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ / /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ / ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

... "Ignore Previous Cookie" - Message in fortune cookie.

--- EzyBlueWave V3.00 01FB001F
* Origin: Tiny's BBS - telnet://tinysbbs.com:3023 (21:1/130)